2023 NBA Draft

[shakes0]

I dont think the Dick take is all that hot, I mean we got a threaded dedicated to everyone slobbering all over Dick, many on here are high on Dick.

I disagree with the 2nd part though, guys like George and Smith may not be the kind of guys you will consider to be youre #1 guy youre building around, but both guys have shown plenty of flashes all year long of having a pretty damn good offensive skill set. But that's why those guys arent really in discussion for the #1 or #2 picks.

guys with those body types tend to top out as bench players. Very rare that a 6'3 shooting guard becomes a starting level player, let alone a good one. Wouldn't waste a lottery pick on either and probably not a first round pick.

Smith is listed at 6'5" and George is listed at 6'4".

There's tons of good SG's who are 6'5" and under:

-Maxey
-Beal
-Poole
-Bones
-Booker
-Donovan Mitchell
-Ochai Agbaji
-Quentin Grimes
-Rozier
-Anthony Edwards
-Jalen Green
-Anfernee Simons
-Branham
-Herro
-Ivey
-Bogdan Bogdanovic
-etc.

neither one of those guys are as tall as they are listed. Let's keep it to 6'3 because that's how tall those 2 will most likely end up being once they get to the combine.

[Hal14]

guys with those body types tend to top out as bench players. Very rare that a 6'3 shooting guard becomes a starting level player, let alone a good one. Wouldn't waste a lottery pick on either and probably not a first round pick.

Smith is listed at 6'5" and George is listed at 6'4".

There's tons of good SG's who are 6'5" and under:

-Maxey
-Beal
-Poole
-Bones
-Booker
-Donovan Mitchell
-Ochai Agbaji
-Quentin Grimes
-Rozier
-Anthony Edwards
-Jalen Green
-Anfernee Simons
-Branham
-Herro
-Ivey
-Bogdan Bogdanovic
-etc.

Let's keep it to 6'3 because that's how tall those 2 will most likely end up being once they get to the combine.

That's what you think.

Until proven otherwise, I'll go with their listed heights - thank you.

[EvanZ]

Lately we've had guys like Maxey, Quickley, and now Hardy. Seems like there are quite a few of these 6'3" and under guys that get somewhat underrated nowadays actually.

I think you proved my point. Quickley is a good player, but he's a bench player. Maxey is finally a starter and a good player. hardy hasn't proven anything yet.

30 teams and how many have good 6'3 shooting guards in their starting lineup?

When you draft in the lottery you are expecting at the very least a starter level player. Odds are extremely against any 6'3 2G developing into a starting level player.

Hence my point that I would draft Dick over both of them and would be hesitant to draft either in the first round.

You said they weren't NBA players.

[Braggins]

I think Keyonte George has some juice, but is a bit overrated.

I think Nick Smith Jr is by far the biggest bust candidate in the class and maybe shouldn't even go in the first round.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Somehow NSJ is 20 pounds heavier than Terq

[EvanZ]

Yeah I don't even understand physically how Terq could be 165. Even Tyrell Terry weighed more than him.

[shakes0]

Lately we've had guys like Maxey, Quickley, and now Hardy. Seems like there are quite a few of these 6'3" and under guys that get somewhat underrated nowadays actually.

I think you proved my point. Quickley is a good player, but he's a bench player. Maxey is finally a starter and a good player. hardy hasn't proven anything yet.

30 teams and how many have good 6'3 shooting guards in their starting lineup?

When you draft in the lottery you are expecting at the very least a starter level player. Odds are extremely against any 6'3 2G developing into a starting level player.

Hence my point that I would draft Dick over both of them and would be hesitant to draft either in the first round.

You said they weren't NBA players.

Where/when did I say that???

[EvanZ]

After watching a ton of CBB this year (now that I've accepted that regular season NBA is a total waste of time) my hot take is that I would draft Gradey Dick over both Keyonte George and Nick Smith. Don't think either of those small guards is going to make it in the NBA.

That's not a hot take, but at the same time, we see a guy like Jaden Hardy succeeding in a way that is very similar to how Keyonte George might. Can't write off guys with skill too easily.

not writing them off, just writing them off as potential lottery picks. Just not seeing it with these 6'3 shooting guards. Those types rarely become starting level players in the NBA. I would be hesitant to draft either in the first round.

You literally said:

Don't think either of those small guards is going to make it in the NBA.

Now I may not be Einstein, but that sure sounds equivalent to "They are not NBA players".

[SeattleJazzFan]

I think Keyonte George has some juice, but is a bit overrated.

I think Nick Smith Jr is by far the biggest bust candidate in the class and maybe shouldn't even go in the first round.

i mostly agree with this. 100% agree with both statements regarding Keyonte.

NSJ, at least in some circles, might be getting underrated based how overrated some people think he is. i do think his bust potential is high, and i think he was wildly overrated as a prospect coming into the season (seemed like consensus top 5, iirc, which is crazy), but his abilities as a scorer are pretty unique - just needs to get more shots to fall and who knows if he'll get there - and he seems to care defensively as well with excellent length for his height. I wouldn't take him earlier than 20 or so, but i think optimistic projections are guys like Jordan Clarkson and Jamal Crawford - and 20-30 would be a good spot to take that guy.

[Hal14]

I think Keyonte George has some juice, but is a bit overrated.

I think Nick Smith Jr is by far the biggest bust candidate in the class and maybe shouldn't even go in the first round.

i mostly agree with this. 100% agree with both statements regarding Keyonte.

NSJ, at least in some circles, might be getting underrated based how overrated some people think he is. i do think his bust potential is high, and i think he was wildly overrated as a prospect coming into the season (seemed like consensus top 5, iirc, which is crazy), but his abilities as a scorer are pretty unique - just needs to get more shots to fall and who knows if he'll get there - and he seems to care defensively as well with excellent length for his height. I wouldn't take him earlier than 20 or so, but i think optimistic projections are guys like Jordan Clarkson and Jamal Crawford - and 20-30 would be a good spot to take that guy.

That's a median outcome for him. Optimistic would be Bradley Beal. Or perhaps a healthier and better attitude version of Oladipo..if you think he can reach that, you take him in the lottery (possibly top 10)

[remi_222]

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[CoreyVillains]

I broke down some film with Marcus Sasser this week. Even though small guards aren’t the wave right now, I still really buy him as an NBA guard. Really bright player with some real on ball self creation juice and the ability to guard on the other end.

Watch on YouTube

[jezzerinho]

I broke down some film with Marcus Sasser this week. Even though small guards aren’t the wave right now, I still really buy him as an NBA guard. Really bright player with some real on ball self creation juice and the ability to guard on the other end.

Watch on YouTube

Sasser can make it, I think. He's gonna be a pro's pro.

BTW, great move looking to fill the Mike Schmitz void. Very smart.

[EvanZ]

Heard Flip is returning which is a bummer

[CoreyVillains]

I broke down some film with Marcus Sasser this week. Even though small guards aren’t the wave right now, I still really buy him as an NBA guard. Really bright player with some real on ball self creation juice and the ability to guard on the other end.

Watch on YouTube

Sasser can make it, I think. He's gonna be a pro's pro.

BTW, great move looking to fill the Mike Schmitz void. Very smart.

Thank you! I actually was Schmitz’s video editor on those so it felt right haha.

[Hal14]

Heard Flip is returning which is a bummer

Oh, that'd be big news. I have him as a top 20 guy. Would be great for Duke, though.

[clyde21]

Heard Flip is returning which is a bummer

high risk low ceiling play if he does, but gotta give it up to Scheyer if he does not sure what he's offering all these recruits

[BoyzNTheHood]

Alijah Martin looks taller than he actually is. I get a pro vibe from him

[916fan]

Smith is listed at 6'5" and George is listed at 6'4".

There's tons of good SG's who are 6'5" and under:

-Maxey
-Beal
-Poole
-Bones
-Booker
-Donovan Mitchell
-Ochai Agbaji
-Quentin Grimes
-Rozier
-Anthony Edwards
-Jalen Green
-Anfernee Simons
-Branham
-Herro
-Ivey
-Bogdan Bogdanovic
-etc.

Certain NBA teams have started listing players without shoes. There are a bunch of 6'6 guys on your list including Booker, Edwards, and Bogdanovic. None of these 3 guys are considered small guards.. if anything, people call them "bigger guards" all the time. No offense, but you kinda pulled these names out of thin air. There's also a big difference between 6'3 and 6'5, which some of those players trend towards.

[Upperclass]

Andre Jackson has some Draymond in him