Early discussion on the 2023 offseason

[vincecarter4pres]

What do ya'll think about Porzingis ?

At the right cost he’s super interesting.

[MrDollarBills]

Looks like spending is going to be curbed under the new CBA. I wonder what the plan will be.

[TheNetsFan]

What do ya'll think about Porzingis ?

At the right cost he’s super interesting.

Interesting fit. Not durable. I don't think Marks wants to invest big money at the 5.

Markannen is my new trade crush du jour. Young ascending player on a similar timeframe as our core. Very underpaid, and would have a very modest $27mil cap hold in the potentially amazing 2025 FA class. He and Bridges would combine to only count for about $52mil on the books in the summer of '25.

[MrDollarBills]

What do ya'll think about Porzingis ?

He'd be a good pairing with Claxton.

We would just need a PG

[Keith Van Horn]

What do ya'll think about Porzingis ?

ehh, pass probably

although he'd probably do well here. I'd just rather focus my sights on a guard/ball handler

[Keith Van Horn]

I think shutting down Ben and helping him get right definitely helped him in more ways than one. He has basically now a half year to get right.

And you know, I think his game would really be something else if he were to latch into his old ways of driving hard to the basket and playing high level defense. I'd love to see him off the bench with all shooters around him, but that contract is just absurdly enormous. I don't think they can afford to do that if he's fully healthy.

[Keith Van Horn]

Is there any way...

- FVV opts out of his deal and we sign him?

- Trade Joe/DFS 3 picks or Joe/DFS/CamT 2 picks -- for Ingram or Siakam
*I mean if anyone would listen to offers for Ben instead... but highly doubt it

- Resign CJ to 20 a year?


Aer we in danger of going over the cap here... After typing it out it seems pretty pricey. Especially with a Claxton extension looming.

Because a squad of these guys would have me pretty stoked

FVV / Bridges / CJ / Ingram or Siakam / Claxton / Spencer / Royce (Simmons too I suppose)

[Papi_swav]

What do ya'll think about Porzingis ?

At the right cost he’s super interesting.

Interesting fit. Not durable. I don't think Marks wants to invest big money at the 5.

Markannen is my new trade crush du jour. Young ascending player on a similar timeframe as our core. Very underpaid, and would have a very modest $27mil cap hold in the potentially amazing 2025 FA class. He and Bridges would combine to only count for about $52mil on the books in the summer of '25.

yea good point, I forgot Marks doesn't care much about the center position lol. Also the injury concerns can be a factor. But it definitely would be an interesting fit with Claxton and Bridges in the front court.

[Marvin Martian]

I think a good exercise is to look at potential targets in tiers... how would your guard tiers look for?

1 - Absolutely unrealistic, pipe dream targets, but would lose it if it happened - SGA, Ja, Luka
2 - Could see a blockbuster deal here and compliments Bridges well - Trae & Dame
2.5 - Somewhere in between tiers - FVV
3 - Realistic targets but are they what this team really needs? - Lavine & Beal
4 - idk.... DLo?

How would you guys feel about any of these guard gets?

Edit- forgot about Luka

Lavine and Beal is at 2. They provide more balance as they are not as defensively challenged as Trae and Dame

What do ya'll think about Porzingis ?

Can't be worse than DFS

[Keith Van Horn]

I think a good exercise is to look at potential targets in tiers... how would your guard tiers look for?

1 - Absolutely unrealistic, pipe dream targets, but would lose it if it happened - SGA, Ja, Luka
2 - Could see a blockbuster deal here and compliments Bridges well - Trae & Dame
2.5 - Somewhere in between tiers - FVV
3 - Realistic targets but are they what this team really needs? - Lavine & Beal
4 - idk.... DLo?

How would you guys feel about any of these guard gets?

Edit- forgot about Luka

Lavine and Beal is at 2. They provide more balance as they are not as defensively challenged as Trae and Dame

What do ya'll think about Porzingis ?

Can't be worse than DFS

I think with Claxton and Bridges we've got a pretty competent defense to build around. But one of the things I am a little concerned about is Mikal's usage on offense... he's giving a LOT and I'd love to see him save some of that energy for the defensive end too, so that's why I have offensive oriented guys like Dame and Trae a tick higher.

[GTR11]

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For those who have any illusions about Kyrie not being Laker bound. It was no guarantee Kyrie wouldn't walk away. In addition I think he was giving Marks/Tsai ultimatum about his contract and stipulations.

I'm really not sure what Cuban was thinking giving up DFS and that unprotected pick. There's something had to happen for him to take this risk. He really repeating our mistake with already established tracked record. At least we had illusion about Kyrie being home in very friendly environment. Dallas Texas? What am I missing here?

Only one who could've handle Kyrie to a degree was LBJ. To this day not one GM, coach, player or owner had more success with Kyrie than LBJ.

[MGrand15]

I'd only trade for a star that can really raise our ceiling. If not, we can target undervalued players and striking gold in the draft. I also think we're in a good place where a star might request a trade to come here. Bridges turning into a star gives us an amazing roster for an alpha scorer.

Luka is obviously the dream but I think it's a year too early for that.

My 2 top semi-realistic targets are Dame and Jimmy. My guess is Portland goes to Dame this off-season and tells him to give us a list of teams you want to go to. I think we're possibly on that list if Dame wants to go to a contender level team where he's still option 1. Dame immediately solves all our problems on offense.

Jimmy is more of a long shot but after such a down year from Miami, i wouldn't be shocked if he asks for a change. Jimmy is one of the few stars who would make our defense even better and he gives us the creator and playmaker our offense is missing.

The other options arent as elite and the trade isn't likely but still could be good.

Trae
KAT
Siakam

Bonafide all stars with real flaws. All 3 teams might be willing to move on from them without asking for a godfather package.

[Keith Van Horn]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/271124/Hawks-Have-Green-Light-From-Ownership-To-Trade-Anyone-Even-Trae-Young

I know some here like the Trae Young thing and some don't, but my argument for him:

- Trae can score from anywhere on the floor, and we are sorely lacking another go-to scoring punch with this team
- As good as his scoring is, he gets his teammates involved
- We know his lack of defense, but considering the current makeup of the team, he could be a great fit
- He's still very young and locked up on a long term deal
- Gives us time to figure out Ben Simmons

The cherry on top would be the vitriol Knicks fans have for him. Would make for some super fun rivalry games over the years.

I don't know how much I'd give up in a deal for him, but I would start at CT, Joe, Patty, and 2 1sts and go from there.

Starters -- Young / Bridges / CJ / DFS / Clax
Rotation -- Simmons / Din / Royce / Sharpe

I could see 3-5 seed?

Is that enough? Is this a good bar to set? Do we continue to wait for 2024 and see what happens that offseason? Do we hold assets and try for FVV instead?

[3pt_chucker]

Trading for Trae just feels like we're trading for Atlanta's timeline. Trae as your best player just limits your ceiling and I just don't think he is the #1 on a chip team. Team would be competitive yes, but I think they'd need another Top 5 wing to balance his flaws.

He's the worst version of the heliocentric type ball handlers (i.e: Prime LBJ, Harden, Luka), in that he has zero size which exposes him defensively but also on offense, he can really be affected by traps and other types of defense(see Miami playoffs and this season)

I would rather trade for Murray, who would in theory require less but I feel like the Hawks would rather him over Trae which is a massive red flag for Trae. This is just a guess tho.

[MrDollarBills]

I'm more interested in FVV than Trae, but beggars can't be choosers. We need a legit starting PG.

[MrDollarBills]

Looks like Lillard is going to be out in Portland.

[Marvin Martian]

I'm more interested in FVV than Trae, but beggars can't be choosers. We need a legit starting PG.

I think Dinwiddle is fine. There are bigger holes at the wing position. It would be nice to upgrade, but I would much rather chase Lavine than Trae or FVV. When you look at the league, PGs are a dime a dozen. Most teams do not have traditional pass first PGs. Instead they have multiple playmakers so defenses cannot stay locked in on one guy.

I would much rather have a team of multiple mediocre playmakers than have just one great playmaker. Replacing Dinwiddle with FVV or Trae still makes this team one dimensional.

[GTR11]

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This is the guy we should be targeting. He pretty much says come get me out of here, MJ is gone in a few. Let's also wait and see what Ingram does, he wasn't happy customer either.

No way you want Trae on this team, he ain't no AI to compensate for the things he is horrid at. That contract is a killer too.

ATL clearing cap to get Brown and another all star along. Most likely outcome is that Brown will say he will want to test FA no matter how Saltic finish the season. He's from that area and his family has enough money. I won't sleep on Miami either. They can make move or two to get in Brown sweepstakes. Those two teams front runners and they know it.

Think Din is bad wait till you guys get to see FVV play on the regular.

[Marvin Martian]

LaMelo's stats are horrid. Far worse than Trae

Below average scoring efficiency

Half of his shots are from 3, and he doesn't shoot it that well.

Atrocious FT rate, hinting that he cannot attack the rim.

[GTR11]

LaMelo shoots 37% from 3, eFG 51+ from the and 87% FT.
Trae 35% from 3, eFG 50+ from and 87.

Lamelo also has better +/- on both D and O. If LaMelo is horrible and Trae as well.