All known blocked shot data of Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain:

[70sFan]

Let me ask you this 70sFan:

Let's say I found an old Red Auerbach quote where he thought that Bill Russell blocked over 10,000 shots.
You'd probably believe him, right? Why? Because he's considered a credible source by most.
But that doesn't always mean he's right about everything.

But if someone like me said it & could confirm it via a credible source, you'd be FAR less inclined to believe me.
Why? Because you'd feel the need to have it completely confirmed from someone that YOU would consider more of a credible source than me, even though I knew I was being completely honest about it.

If Red says something like this, I'd assume he makes a rough estimation, not that he counted all Russell blocks (because he definitely didn't).

I don't have any problem with your authority. I just need evidences, you don't bring any evidences. You only say very fuzzy things about the league contact, you give me no names or no specifics.

[SNPA]

No wonder ya’ll can’t agree. No one can clearly state which entity owns this footage.

Some entity owns it. That’s the reality. If it’s the NBA then why does one have to talk to former players families? If it’s the former players families why does one need the NBA at all? This should be a very easily answered question for people that have devoted as much time as is claimed to obtaining this footage.

Who owns the film rights?

[mstat13shuh]

Let me ask you this 70sFan:

Let's say I found an old Red Auerbach quote where he thought that Bill Russell blocked over 10,000 shots.
You'd probably believe him, right? Why? Because he's considered a credible source by most.
But that doesn't always mean he's right about everything.

But if someone like me said it & could confirm it via a credible source, you'd be FAR less inclined to believe me.
Why? Because you'd feel the need to have it completely confirmed from someone that YOU would consider more of a credible source than me, even though I knew I was being completely honest about it.

If Red says something like this, I'd assume he makes a rough estimation, not that he counted all Russell blocks (because he definitely didn't). Well for your information, I saw this particular Auerbach quote way back in 1990!

I don't have any problem with your authority. Smh, ok, if you say so. Sometimes I'm not so certain though,

I just need evidences, you don't bring any evidences. Well none that seem to suit you, anyway.
You only say very fuzzy things about the league contact, you give me no names or no specifics.
Just because I gave you the right keyset to unlock the treasure chest
doesn't automatically mean I'll give you the necessary instructions to do so.

[HeartBreakKid]

Let me ask you this 70sFan:

Let's say I found an old Red Auerbach quote where he thought that Bill Russell blocked over 10,000 shots.
You'd probably believe him, right? Why? Because he's considered a credible source by most.
But that doesn't always mean he's right about everything.

But if someone like me said it & could confirm it via a credible source, you'd be FAR less inclined to believe me.
Why? Because you'd feel the need to have it completely confirmed from someone that YOU would consider more of a credible source than me, even though I knew I was being completely honest about it.

It would be a source. Credible? There are plenty of ways to doubt its credibility.


Also, even if Red didn't just say a random number you would have to consider there is bias there.

If Caesar's advisor said Caesar was the greatest leader would it be a "credible" source? He was there, right?

[mstat13shuh]

No wonder ya’ll can’t agree. No one can clearly state which entity owns this footage.
NBA Archives-Entertainment owns this footage. I DO know that for a fact.
They just don't want it released to the general public.

Some entity owns it. That’s the reality. If it’s the NBA then why does one have to talk to former players families?
I don't know if one wants to obtain, say, complete game Oscar Robertson footage they'd need to know some of Oscar's family members personally, much less Oscar himself, but I do know that's absolutely true for complete NBA Wilt game footage.

If it’s the former players families why does one need the NBA at all?
Because that's where the footage is mainly archived at.
I'm not automatically assuming one would need the NBA to do so, but it certainly wouldn't hurt.

This should be a very easily answered question for people that have devoted as much time as is claimed to obtaining this footage.
Lord Willing, this question should become even more easier in the near future to answer for most folks, not just for someone like myself.

Who owns the film rights?
At this point, I'm guessing the league offices, although in certain cases, there may be exceptions.

[mstat13shuh]

Let me ask you this 70sFan:

Let's say I found an old Red Auerbach quote where he thought that Bill Russell blocked over 10,000 shots.
You'd probably believe him, right? Why? Because he's considered a credible source by most.
But that doesn't always mean he's right about everything.

But if someone like me said it & could confirm it via a credible source, you'd be FAR less inclined to believe me.
Why? Because you'd feel the need to have it completely confirmed from someone that YOU would consider more of a credible source than me, even though I knew I was being completely honest about it.

It would be a source. Credible? There are plenty of ways to doubt its credibility.
Possibly, unless you were open-hearted enough to be open the possibility of it being an accurate estimate,
which I was when I first read it.


Also, even if Red didn't just say a random number you would have to consider there is bias there.
Perhaps, but what if he was accurate in the estimate?

If Caesar's advisor said Caesar was the greatest leader would it be a "credible" source? He was there, right?
Excellent point.

[70sFan]

Let me ask you this 70sFan:

Let's say I found an old Red Auerbach quote where he thought that Bill Russell blocked over 10,000 shots.
You'd probably believe him, right? Why? Because he's considered a credible source by most.
But that doesn't always mean he's right about everything.

But if someone like me said it & could confirm it via a credible source, you'd be FAR less inclined to believe me.
Why? Because you'd feel the need to have it completely confirmed from someone that YOU would consider more of a credible source than me, even though I knew I was being completely honest about it.

If Red says something like this, I'd assume he makes a rough estimation, not that he counted all Russell blocks (because he definitely didn't). Well for your information, I saw this particular Auerbach quote way back in 1990!

I don't have any problem with your authority. Smh, ok, if you say so. Sometimes I'm not so certain though,

I just need evidences, you don't bring any evidences. Well none that seem to suit you, anyway.
You only say very fuzzy things about the league contact, you give me no names or no specifics.
Just because I gave you the right keyset to unlock the treasure chest
doesn't automatically mean I'll give you the necessary instructions to do so.

What evidenced? What treasure chest? You gave me some numbers with no specified source or any evidences of it being true. All while saying things that contradicts to what I have heard from various people working in/with the NBA.

Extraoridinary claims require extraoridinary evidences. I'm not saying you are lying, but without them your data is not credible. Trust can't be baseless.

[SNPA]

No wonder ya’ll can’t agree. No one can clearly state which entity owns this footage.
NBA Archives-Entertainment owns this footage. I DO know that for a fact.
They just don't want it released to the general public.

Some entity owns it. That’s the reality. If it’s the NBA then why does one have to talk to former players families?
I don't know if one wants to obtain, say, complete game Oscar Robertson footage they'd need to know some of Oscar's family members personally, much less Oscar himself, but I do know that's absolutely true for complete NBA Wilt game footage.

If it’s the former players families why does one need the NBA at all?
Because that's where the footage is mainly archived at.
I'm not automatically assuming one would need the NBA to do so, but it certainly wouldn't hurt.

This should be a very easily answered question for people that have devoted as much time as is claimed to obtaining this footage.
Lord Willing, this question should become even more easier in the near future to answer for most folks, not just for someone like myself.

Who owns the film rights?
At this point, I'm guessing the league offices, although in certain cases, there may be exceptions.

Thanks for the answers but it still doesn’t make sense.

If the NBA owns the film there is zero reason to talk to Wilt’s family. They don’t own it.

If Wilt’s family owns it there is zero reason to talk to the NBA. They don’t own it.

[mstat13shuh]

If Red says something like this, I'd assume he makes a rough estimation, not that he counted all Russell blocks (because he definitely didn't). Well for your information, I saw this particular Auerbach quote way back in 1990!

I don't have any problem with your authority. Smh, ok, if you say so. Sometimes I'm not so certain though,

I just need evidences, you don't bring any evidences. Well none that seem to suit you, anyway.
You only say very fuzzy things about the league contact, you give me no names or no specifics.
Just because I gave you the right keyset to unlock the treasure chest
doesn't automatically mean I'll give you the necessary instructions to do so.

What evidenced? What treasure chest? By now you of all people should know 100% well what I mean.

You gave me some numbers with no specified source or any evidences of it being true.
Your criteria for this is obviously different than mine.

All while saying things that contradicts to what I have heard from various people working in/with the NBA.
Then many people working within the NBA could be either lying and/or telling half-truths, or vague truths.
Or simply being vastly uninformed.

Extraoridinary claims require extraoridinary evidences.
I & others like me have already provided it to you.

I'm not saying you are lying, but without them your data is not credible.
Credible data can mean different things to different people.

Trust can't be baseless.
You deem it baseless trust. I don't.

[mstat13shuh]

No wonder ya’ll can’t agree. No one can clearly state which entity owns this footage.
NBA Archives-Entertainment owns this footage. I DO know that for a fact.
They just don't want it released to the general public.

Some entity owns it. That’s the reality. If it’s the NBA then why does one have to talk to former players families?
I don't know if one wants to obtain, say, complete game Oscar Robertson footage they'd need to know some of Oscar's family members personally, much less Oscar himself, but I do know that's absolutely true for complete NBA Wilt game footage.

If it’s the former players families why does one need the NBA at all?
Because that's where the footage is mainly archived at.
I'm not automatically assuming one would need the NBA to do so, but it certainly wouldn't hurt.

This should be a very easily answered question for people that have devoted as much time as is claimed to obtaining this footage.
Lord Willing, this question should become even more easier in the near future to answer for most folks, not just for someone like myself.

Who owns the film rights?
At this point, I'm guessing the league offices, although in certain cases, there may be exceptions.

Thanks for the answers but it still doesn’t make sense.
Truth oftentimes is stranger than fiction, particularly for something like this.

If the NBA owns the film there is zero reason to talk to Wilt’s family. They don’t own it.
True.

If Wilt’s family owns it there is zero reason to talk to the NBA. They don’t own it.
Also true.

[70sFan]

What evidenced? What treasure chest? By now you of all people should know 100% well what I mean.

You gave me some numbers with no specified source or any evidences of it being true.
Your criteria for this is obviously different than mine.

All while saying things that contradicts to what I have heard from various people working in/with the NBA.
Then many people working within the NBA could be either lying and/or telling half-truths, or vague truths.
Or simply being vastly uninformed.

Extraoridinary claims require extraoridinary evidences.
I & others like me have already provided it to you.

I'm not saying you are lying, but without them your data is not credible.
Credible data can mean different things to different people.

Trust can't be baseless.
You deem it baseless trust. I don't.

What's the reason to believe you more than people who are leading the NBA Archives and people who officially collaborate with the league? Who told you all these things? Why don't you give me names?

[mstat13shuh]

What evidenced? What treasure chest? By now you of all people should know 100% well what I mean.

You gave me some numbers with no specified source or any evidences of it being true.
Your criteria for this is obviously different than mine.

All while saying things that contradicts to what I have heard from various people working in/with the NBA.
Then many people working within the NBA could be either lying and/or telling half-truths, or vague truths.
Or simply being vastly uninformed.

Extraoridinary claims require extraoridinary evidences.
I & others like me have already provided it to you.

I'm not saying you are lying, but without them your data is not credible.
Credible data can mean different things to different people.

Trust can't be baseless.
You deem it baseless trust. I don't.

What's the reason to believe you more than people who are leading the NBA Archives and people who officially collaborate with the league?Because of everything I've already provided for you in the above responses regarding this.

Who told you all these things?
Smh, 70sFan, by now if you of all people don't know who's telling me this, then you're incredibly shallow and/or stubborn to research the history of this chat forum. Right now you seem more blind to me than Stevie Wonder at 2am.

Why don't you give me names?
Why don't you look through the history of this chat forum like I've been suggesting & determine the source so you don't feel pressured to request the name from me in the first place?

It's here, clear as a bell, if you choose to look carefully & closely enough, believe me.

I gave you a set of keys to unlock the treasure chest, now it's up to you to locate the right key to open it.

[mstat13shuh]

I don't purposely lie about anything, anyone, anytime in anyway for something I know without a doubt to be true.
Whether or not someone chooses to believe it or not is between them & God Almighty.

If they refuse to believe the truth, it doesn't change what & others like me know to be truth, it's simply a mere confirmation of their stubbornness and/or lack of spiritual maturity & enlightenment.

Whenever I feel depressed and/or frustrated about something and/or someone, I must remember in my spirit that I, unlike most, am an Aquarius with a Pisces moon & most U.S. residents are Virgos with a non-Aquarius moon.

I & others like me, are spiritually aware, intuitive & sensitive about a myriad of things more than most, particularly about something as this, so perhaps it would come as a shock to most people on a chat forum such as this when I choose to drop certain incredible shot-blocking data such as what I already have & will in the future, nonetheless, for those who simply refuse to humble themselves under the Most High & allow themselves to be spiritually awakened about something as this, there's nothing I can really do to rectify it, except to pray for them & continue believing doing what the Holy Spirit commands someone like myself to do.

[mstat13shuh]

Here's a pretty incredible Wilt Chamberlain shot-blocking streak that I bet almost no one else knows:

From the last regular season game of the 1959-60 NBA season, until the 49th game of the 1960-61 regular season,
Wilt had double-digit blocks in all but 3 games!

And the only reason his triple-double streak over this stretch wasn't 50 consecutive games?

His block totals in the 3 games in question were: 9, 9 & 8.

(For the doubters, & I'm certain there are many, PLEASE don't beg me for the data source; I've already provided it numerous times.)

(For the skeptics, & I'm certain there are many, PLEASE don't disrespect Wilt & other top players of this era & state something like:

"Their block stats are inflated because of this, this, that, etc."

It's outright insulting & disrespectful to Wilt & all the other pioneers of this era, particularly when you take everything necessary into consideration, especially the schedule, traveling & playing conditions & additional things they had to endure at that time.

And for those who STILL insist all their rebounding & shot-blocking stats are inflated, well, I'd like to ask the skeptics this:

How well do you believe today's top players would do if any one of them needed to play even 3 games in as many nights, with limited rest?

How well do you believe today's top players would do if any one of them had to absorb the consistent physical contact that not only Wilt had to endure, but other top scorers & stars?

How well do you believe today's top players would do if any one of them had per diem money of only maybe $20 per day, as was commonplace back in the 1960s & '70s?

How would most of today's players able to properly deal with, after a long, arduous, exhausting season, having to work a summertime job to be able to financially stabilize their individual financial needs?

My optimism says some from today's era could pull it off, but my realism believes most could not.)

[SNPA]

Thanks for the answers but it still doesn’t make sense.
Truth oftentimes is stranger than fiction, particularly for something like this.

If the NBA owns the film there is zero reason to talk to Wilt’s family. They don’t own it.
True.

If Wilt’s family owns it there is zero reason to talk to the NBA. They don’t own it.
Also true.

This answer can only mean you are claiming there are two sets of footage, one owned by the NBA and the other Wilt’s family.

You say you know about the existence of full seasons of Wilt footage, to say you know means you have personally viewed it.

If another person(s) told you it exists, regardless of how believable you or anyone else thinks this person(s) is, that does not rise to the level of knowing for sure. It would mean you have been told by someone you trust…that’s different than having seen yourself.

[mstat13shuh]

Smh lol, in retrospect, I almost view the unofficial block data I & others like me choose to post on here as UFO sightings.

Most people are either unable and/or unwilling to believe its accuracy, probably because accuracy of such postings cause a tremendous shock to most people's conscience and/or belief systems.

[mstat13shuh]

Thanks for the answers but it still doesn’t make sense.
Truth oftentimes is stranger than fiction, particularly for something like this.

If the NBA owns the film there is zero reason to talk to Wilt’s family. They don’t own it.
True.

If Wilt’s family owns it there is zero reason to talk to the NBA. They don’t own it.
Also true.

This answer can only mean you are claiming there are two sets of footage, one owned by the NBA and the other Wilt’s family.
Not necessarily.

You say you know about the existence of full seasons of Wilt footage, to say you know means you have personally viewed it.
Or it could mean I know someone who's personally viewed it.

If another person(s) told you it exists, regardless of how believable you or anyone else thinks this person(s) is, that does not rise to the level of knowing for sure.Maybe not for you, but it does for someone like me.

It would mean you have been told by someone you trust…that’s different than having seen yourself.
World's Economy: See it before you believe it.
God's Economy: Believe it before you see it.

[SNPA]

This answer can only mean you are claiming there are two sets of footage, one owned by the NBA and the other Wilt’s family.
Not necessarily.

You say you know about the existence of full seasons of Wilt footage, to say you know means you have personally viewed it.
Or it could mean I know someone who's personally viewed it.

If another person(s) told you it exists, regardless of how believable you or anyone else thinks this person(s) is, that does not rise to the level of knowing for sure.Maybe not for you, but it does for someone like me.

It would mean you have been told by someone you trust…that’s different than having seen yourself.
World's Economy: See it before you believe it.
God's Economy: Believe it before you see it.

Thank you, it’s helpful admitting how you claim to know (not first hand). That doesn’t mean the film exists or not, but it adds clarity.


This answer can only mean you are claiming there are two sets of footage, one owned by the NBA and the other Wilt’s family.
Not necessarily.

This isn’t logical unless there is some form of rights held by each entity and requires approval of both to release.

[mstat13shuh]

This may be somewhat off topic for some, however, I'm convinced this illustrates my point to a large degree about determining how to unlock a treasure chest yourself:

I read where when Isiah Thomas entered the NBA, him & Magic Johnson, as most by now know, became extremely close with one another, chatted freely about almost anything.

However when he attended the NBA Finals & inquired to Magic about what it takes to be successful at that level, all Magic said to Isiah was:

"I'm not going to tell you about what it takes to win in the Finals; you're going to have to find out what it takes yourself."

Which is essentially what Isiah did, & we obviously know how that eventually transpired, both for Isiah & the Detroit Pistons.

Essentially what Magic was telling Isiah to think for himself about something like this,
& that's basically what I'm recommending here as well:

If you want to find out the truth about something, believe me, the Lord will enable you to find it.

[mstat13shuh]

This answer can only mean you are claiming there are two sets of footage, one owned by the NBA and the other Wilt’s family.
Not necessarily.

You say you know about the existence of full seasons of Wilt footage, to say you know means you have personally viewed it.
Or it could mean I know someone who's personally viewed it.

If another person(s) told you it exists, regardless of how believable you or anyone else thinks this person(s) is, that does not rise to the level of knowing for sure.Maybe not for you, but it does for someone like me.

It would mean you have been told by someone you trust…that’s different than having seen yourself.
World's Economy: See it before you believe it.
God's Economy: Believe it before you see it.

Thank you, it’s helpful admitting how you claim to know (not first hand). That doesn’t mean the film exists or not, but it adds clarity.
Well at least you're more open to believing me than others, which for me is quite refreshing.


This answer can only mean you are claiming there are two sets of footage, one owned by the NBA and the other Wilt’s family.
Not necessarily.

This isn’t logical unless there is some form of rights held by each entity and requires approval of both to release.
Which, under certain conditions, still could be true though.