2022-23 Season Discussion and Review - the Blockbuster trade and playoff downfall

[Ghost of Kleine]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/271019/Teams-Above-Second-Tax-Apron-Will-Have-Further-Restrictions-In-New-CBA

It had already been reported that in the new CBA that teams above the newly created second luxury tax apron would have restrictions on acquiring players. Those teams will lose the Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception and will be restricted to re-signing their own players, draft picks and players via the minimum exception.

In addition, there will be further restrictions on the NBA's most expensive teams. Those teams will not be able to send cash out in trades, trade first-round picks within a seven-year window and will not be able to sign players on the buyout market.

In addition, trade rules will be tweaked for those teams. Teams that are above the second tax apron, set at $17.5 million above the tax line, will not be able to receive more money in a trade than they send out.

That trade restriction could have impacted several recent high-profile deals. That includes Kevin Durant to the Phoenix Suns, Kyrie Irving to the Dallas Mavericks and James Harden to the Brooklyn Nets.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/271006/Teams-Over-New-2nd-Salary-Cap-Apron-Will-No-Longer-Have-Taxpayer-MLE

The NBA and NBPA have created a second salary cap apron as part of their new collective bargaining agreement.

Once a team is $17.5 million over the tax line, they will no longer have access to the taxpayer mid-level in free agency. This change will be eased into the salary cap over a period of years.

Under these changes, Golden State's Donte DiVincenzo, Milwaukee's Joe Ingles, Boston's Danilo Gallinari and former Clippers guard John Wall wouldn't have been able to sign with those teams last summer.

As a countermeasure to the second salary cap apron, there will be more spending and trade opportunities for teams at the middle and lower tiers of spending.

The league initially sought a hard cap, euphemistically called an Upper Spending Limit, which the NBPA was prepared to fight all the way to a work stoppage. 

Are we over this tax line and if so, how far? And what are peoples thoughts on how this might affect us in resigning key players and going forward?

[bigfoot]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/271019/Teams-Above-Second-Tax-Apron-Will-Have-Further-Restrictions-In-New-CBA

It had already been reported that in the new CBA that teams above the newly created second luxury tax apron would have restrictions on acquiring players. Those teams will lose the Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception and will be restricted to re-signing their own players, draft picks and players via the minimum exception.

In addition, there will be further restrictions on the NBA's most expensive teams. Those teams will not be able to send cash out in trades, trade first-round picks within a seven-year window and will not be able to sign players on the buyout market.

In addition, trade rules will be tweaked for those teams. Teams that are above the second tax apron, set at $17.5 million above the tax line, will not be able to receive more money in a trade than they send out.

That trade restriction could have impacted several recent high-profile deals. That includes Kevin Durant to the Phoenix Suns, Kyrie Irving to the Dallas Mavericks and James Harden to the Brooklyn Nets.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/271006/Teams-Over-New-2nd-Salary-Cap-Apron-Will-No-Longer-Have-Taxpayer-MLE

The NBA and NBPA have created a second salary cap apron as part of their new collective bargaining agreement.

Once a team is $17.5 million over the tax line, they will no longer have access to the taxpayer mid-level in free agency. This change will be eased into the salary cap over a period of years.

Under these changes, Golden State's Donte DiVincenzo, Milwaukee's Joe Ingles, Boston's Danilo Gallinari and former Clippers guard John Wall wouldn't have been able to sign with those teams last summer.

As a countermeasure to the second salary cap apron, there will be more spending and trade opportunities for teams at the middle and lower tiers of spending.

The league initially sought a hard cap, euphemistically called an Upper Spending Limit, which the NBPA was prepared to fight all the way to a work stoppage. 

Are we over this tax line and if so, how far? And what are peoples thoughts on how this might affect us in resigning key players and going forward?

First it's unknown when the second salary cap apron takes effect. If next year (23/24) then I would imagine Suns are very limited in regards who they can sign. If 24/25, CP3 may come off the books and that could change the outlook. Of course trading DA could change everything as well. It's all speculation until dates are firmed up. In the mean time, you should have a lot of time on your hands analyzing who the Suns could sign for the third two-way contract slot.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Spoiler:

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/271019/Teams-Above-Second-Tax-Apron-Will-Have-Further-Restrictions-In-New-CBA

It had already been reported that in the new CBA that teams above the newly created second luxury tax apron would have restrictions on acquiring players. Those teams will lose the Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception and will be restricted to re-signing their own players, draft picks and players via the minimum exception.

In addition, there will be further restrictions on the NBA's most expensive teams. Those teams will not be able to send cash out in trades, trade first-round picks within a seven-year window and will not be able to sign players on the buyout market.

In addition, trade rules will be tweaked for those teams. Teams that are above the second tax apron, set at $17.5 million above the tax line, will not be able to receive more money in a trade than they send out.

That trade restriction could have impacted several recent high-profile deals. That includes Kevin Durant to the Phoenix Suns, Kyrie Irving to the Dallas Mavericks and James Harden to the Brooklyn Nets.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/271006/Teams-Over-New-2nd-Salary-Cap-Apron-Will-No-Longer-Have-Taxpayer-MLE

The NBA and NBPA have created a second salary cap apron as part of their new collective bargaining agreement.

Once a team is $17.5 million over the tax line, they will no longer have access to the taxpayer mid-level in free agency. This change will be eased into the salary cap over a period of years.

Under these changes, Golden State's Donte DiVincenzo, Milwaukee's Joe Ingles, Boston's Danilo Gallinari and former Clippers guard John Wall wouldn't have been able to sign with those teams last summer.

As a countermeasure to the second salary cap apron, there will be more spending and trade opportunities for teams at the middle and lower tiers of spending.

The league initially sought a hard cap, euphemistically called an Upper Spending Limit, which the NBPA was prepared to fight all the way to a work stoppage. 

Are we over this tax line and if so, how far? And what are peoples thoughts on how this might affect us in resigning key players and going forward?

First it's unknown when the second salary cap apron takes effect. If next year (23/24) then I would imagine Suns are very limited in regards who they can sign. If 24/25, CP3 may come off the books and that could change the outlook. Of course trading DA could change everything as well. It's all speculation until dates are firmed up. In the mean time, you should have a lot of time on your hands analyzing who the Suns could sign for the third two-way contract slot.

Thanks man! You're right about Paul and possibly trading Ayton for a more cost effective option might surely change our options/ outcome financially. Although Paul would still require us to eat around 15 million just to waive him. So we'd still be pretty tight up against the tax line unless we were able/ willing to move Ayton additionally too. So I wondered how those factors might be further affected by the 17 million threshold they've implemented. And IF we could still reasonably resign our key free agents if we lost our taxpayer MLE once this goes into effect?

The 3rd two way contract will help towards low cost roster depth/ cost controlled youth development and sustainability. And yes, of course given our financial restrictivitions, etc. I will of course look at the customary 2nd round considerations for us. And see if we can find a cost effective solution to specific and prominent positional needs.

[Sunlight]

My Prediction:

Nuggets - Mavs
Grizzlies - Pelicans
Kings - Lakers
Suns - GSW

Clippers would really have to crap the bed to miss the playoffs altogether.

I don't see that happen bo7 but my bet is that very dangerous Pelicans would beat them bo1 and then they face Mavs. Luka has shown he can beat Suns 64-18 by himself and now need only one game.

[bwgood77]

Aztecs come through. Heartbreaker. scrappy team
Happy Grump?

Dude. I am **** through the moon. That was an insane finish. I dunno if I've ever experienced anything like that for basketball. I 100% thought Butler was going to miss that shot. I don't even know how to react.

Like... I'm 41 and I've been celebratory drinking like I'm 21.

Tomorrow's going to hurt, but also, SDSU is playing for the national championship on Monday, which is my birthday, against Uconn, and I grew up in CT. Life is crazy. I also hate CT.

That was one crazy comeback. I just had it on but wasn't watching closely....just saw the lead slowly shrink and then that last shot a number of times.

I had thought when Creigton and SDSU were playing to go to the final 4, how of course AZ beat both of them in the regular season and blow a game against Princeton in the first round.

Props to SDSU, but UConn has looked unstoppable, cruising through the first 2 rounds and then crushing Arkansas who had been to 2 consecutive elite 8s and had just upset Kansas but the craziest was beating Gonzaga by nearly 30 after Gonzaga had beaten UCLA, who I thought was very tough and picked to go to the final 4.

Just looks like their year, but it would be crazy and nice to see SDSU take it.

[bwgood77]

Spoiler:

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/271019/Teams-Above-Second-Tax-Apron-Will-Have-Further-Restrictions-In-New-CBA

It had already been reported that in the new CBA that teams above the newly created second luxury tax apron would have restrictions on acquiring players. Those teams will lose the Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception and will be restricted to re-signing their own players, draft picks and players via the minimum exception.

In addition, there will be further restrictions on the NBA's most expensive teams. Those teams will not be able to send cash out in trades, trade first-round picks within a seven-year window and will not be able to sign players on the buyout market.

In addition, trade rules will be tweaked for those teams. Teams that are above the second tax apron, set at $17.5 million above the tax line, will not be able to receive more money in a trade than they send out.

That trade restriction could have impacted several recent high-profile deals. That includes Kevin Durant to the Phoenix Suns, Kyrie Irving to the Dallas Mavericks and James Harden to the Brooklyn Nets.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/271006/Teams-Over-New-2nd-Salary-Cap-Apron-Will-No-Longer-Have-Taxpayer-MLE

The NBA and NBPA have created a second salary cap apron as part of their new collective bargaining agreement.

Once a team is $17.5 million over the tax line, they will no longer have access to the taxpayer mid-level in free agency. This change will be eased into the salary cap over a period of years.

Under these changes, Golden State's Donte DiVincenzo, Milwaukee's Joe Ingles, Boston's Danilo Gallinari and former Clippers guard John Wall wouldn't have been able to sign with those teams last summer.

As a countermeasure to the second salary cap apron, there will be more spending and trade opportunities for teams at the middle and lower tiers of spending.

The league initially sought a hard cap, euphemistically called an Upper Spending Limit, which the NBPA was prepared to fight all the way to a work stoppage. 

Are we over this tax line and if so, how far? And what are peoples thoughts on how this might affect us in resigning key players and going forward?

Well if he is saying it would have impacted our KD deal we must be.

Next year with just the following players we are projected to be at $165 million in payroll and the luxury tax is expected to be at $162 million. KD, Booker, Ayton, CP3, Shamet, Payne, Ish.

So we would still have 8 roster spots and already be in the tax. I don't know what the 2nd luxury ax apron will be.

This year our salaries are at $172 million and the tax starts at $150. But those 7 players I named get combined raises of like $13 million next year.

[lilfishi22]

Would love to see OKC make it over Dallas

Normally me too, but Mavs owe Top10 protected pick to Knicks. If they keep the pick they have a chance at Wembanyama and a better chance to improve their roster by trading the pick. OKC may lose next two against us and GSW so I prefer if Dallas makes the play in as 10th. Two games to make the playoffs, then have to beat 1st seed for a potential 2nd rnd chance for our revenge sounds fun to me.

Was that pick from the KP trade?

Based on that, yeah I prefer Dallas then

[grumpysaddle]

Dude. I am **** through the moon. That was an insane finish. I dunno if I've ever experienced anything like that for basketball. I 100% thought Butler was going to miss that shot. I don't even know how to react.

Like... I'm 41 and I've been celebratory drinking like I'm 21.

Tomorrow's going to hurt, but also, SDSU is playing for the national championship on Monday, which is my birthday, against Uconn, and I grew up in CT. Life is crazy. I also hate CT.

That was one crazy comeback. I just had it on but wasn't watching closely....just saw the lead slowly shrink and then that last shot a number of times.

I had thought when Creigton and SDSU were playing to go to the final 4, how of course AZ beat both of them in the regular season and blow a game against Princeton in the first round.

Props to SDSU, but UConn has looked unstoppable, cruising through the first 2 rounds and then crushing Arkansas who had been to 2 consecutive elite 8s and had just upset Kansas but the craziest was beating Gonzaga by nearly 30 after Gonzaga had beaten UCLA, who I thought was very tough and picked to go to the final 4.

Just looks like their year, but it would be crazy and nice to see SDSU take it.

UConn hasn't played the Aztecs though. It will be tough, but the Aztecs already beat the overall #1 ranked team. Everyone doubts them all the time, but somehow they're in the Championship game. Either way, it has been a hell of a tournament.

[garrick]

Spoiler:

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/271019/Teams-Above-Second-Tax-Apron-Will-Have-Further-Restrictions-In-New-CBA

It had already been reported that in the new CBA that teams above the newly created second luxury tax apron would have restrictions on acquiring players. Those teams will lose the Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception and will be restricted to re-signing their own players, draft picks and players via the minimum exception.

In addition, there will be further restrictions on the NBA's most expensive teams. Those teams will not be able to send cash out in trades, trade first-round picks within a seven-year window and will not be able to sign players on the buyout market.

In addition, trade rules will be tweaked for those teams. Teams that are above the second tax apron, set at $17.5 million above the tax line, will not be able to receive more money in a trade than they send out.

That trade restriction could have impacted several recent high-profile deals. That includes Kevin Durant to the Phoenix Suns, Kyrie Irving to the Dallas Mavericks and James Harden to the Brooklyn Nets.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/271006/Teams-Over-New-2nd-Salary-Cap-Apron-Will-No-Longer-Have-Taxpayer-MLE

The NBA and NBPA have created a second salary cap apron as part of their new collective bargaining agreement.

Once a team is $17.5 million over the tax line, they will no longer have access to the taxpayer mid-level in free agency. This change will be eased into the salary cap over a period of years.

Under these changes, Golden State's Donte DiVincenzo, Milwaukee's Joe Ingles, Boston's Danilo Gallinari and former Clippers guard John Wall wouldn't have been able to sign with those teams last summer.

As a countermeasure to the second salary cap apron, there will be more spending and trade opportunities for teams at the middle and lower tiers of spending.

The league initially sought a hard cap, euphemistically called an Upper Spending Limit, which the NBPA was prepared to fight all the way to a work stoppage. 

Are we over this tax line and if so, how far? And what are peoples thoughts on how this might affect us in resigning key players and going forward?

Well if he is saying it would have impacted our KD deal we must be.

Next year with just the following players we are projected to be at $165 million in payroll and the luxury tax is expected to be at $162 million. KD, Booker, Ayton, CP3, Shamet, Payne, Ish.

So we would still have 8 roster spots and already be in the tax. I don't know what the 2nd luxury ax apron will be.

This year our salaries are at $172 million and the tax starts at $150. But those 7 players I named get combined raises of like $13 million next year.

Looks like we're going to have to rely heavily on vet minimums and G leaguers since we won't even be able to afford Craig and Okogie next season...

[lilfishi22]

I can't imagine this new rule would come in right away. If it does, I think there would have to be an amnesty type of rule. Too many teams are going to be affected by this

[TOO]

I had NO IDEA! Thank you so much for your enlightened clarity! Teach me to be as wise as you are!

You need to go wax off a bit and relax. Good lord.

Go climb in someone else's turd cave

Squeeze your head back out of your own.

[lilfishi22]

And what else is new? Williams wasn't a great player, just a passable one at best, so him being a great coach is a huge reach. If he's still here next season, we have bigger problems than the roster.

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How many great coaches were great players?

Larry Bird?

Yeah he's up there but while he had a pretty great 3 season record reaching the ECF x2 and Finals once, I think 3 seasons doesn't quite cut it for me

[Frank Lee]

Westphal was pretty good at both, as was Tommy Heinsohn. Doug Collins and Jerry Sloan weren’t too bad.
‘Great’ is a lofty adjective.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Spoiler:

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/271019/Teams-Above-Second-Tax-Apron-Will-Have-Further-Restrictions-In-New-CBA





https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/271006/Teams-Over-New-2nd-Salary-Cap-Apron-Will-No-Longer-Have-Taxpayer-MLE


Are we over this tax line and if so, how far? And what are peoples thoughts on how this might affect us in resigning key players and going forward?

Well if he is saying it would have impacted our KD deal we must be.

Next year with just the following players we are projected to be at $165 million in payroll and the luxury tax is expected to be at $162 million. KD, Booker, Ayton, CP3, Shamet, Payne, Ish.

So we would still have 8 roster spots and already be in the tax. I don't know what the 2nd luxury ax apron will be.

This year our salaries are at $172 million and the tax starts at $150. But those 7 players I named get combined raises of like $13 million next year.

Looks like we're going to have to rely heavily on vet minimums and G leaguers since we won't even be able to afford Craig and Okogie next season...

And also of course the very coveted cost controlled yet high potential 2nd round (to undrafted) picks too!....lol.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[GreatSunnyNorth]

Spoiler:

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/271019/Teams-Above-Second-Tax-Apron-Will-Have-Further-Restrictions-In-New-CBA





https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/271006/Teams-Over-New-2nd-Salary-Cap-Apron-Will-No-Longer-Have-Taxpayer-MLE


Are we over this tax line and if so, how far? And what are peoples thoughts on how this might affect us in resigning key players and going forward?

Well if he is saying it would have impacted our KD deal we must be.

Next year with just the following players we are projected to be at $165 million in payroll and the luxury tax is expected to be at $162 million. KD, Booker, Ayton, CP3, Shamet, Payne, Ish.

So we would still have 8 roster spots and already be in the tax. I don't know what the 2nd luxury ax apron will be.

This year our salaries are at $172 million and the tax starts at $150. But those 7 players I named get combined raises of like $13 million next year.

Looks like we're going to have to rely heavily on vet minimums and G leaguers since we won't even be able to afford Craig and Okogie next season...

Craig is coming off a two-year contract, so there should be early Bird rights attached to him to fill in one more roster spot.

The other sneaky-important change though is not being able to sign players off the buyout market - so we need to get the minimum signings right as soon as possible in the summer, rather than planning for mid-season reinforcements.

[Jdiddy701]

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But fire Monty, right guys???


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[irish22022]

We can keep okogie for a MLE tho right? I mean, if he signs at that price

[SunsRback4Good]

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But fire Monty, right guys???


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Pretty impressive! I was wrong all along about Monty he’s a good and capable coach. Suns should resign him to a 6 year contract before another team steps in and offers a bigger one. Regardless I believe he’ll stay in Phoenix up until 2029-2030 season.

[lilfishi22]

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But fire Monty, right guys???


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