NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2022-23 (part 4 - The Final MVP Countdown!)

[Wolfgang630]

This topic getting serious between teams now

[mediocrityrules]

Does Denver beating GSW without Jokic help or hurt Joker's case?

Given that it was against the attrocious road Warriors I don't think it hurts at all.

Yep, don't think it made a difference for this one.

[B-easy]

Does Denver beating GSW without Jokic help or hurt Joker's case?

For people (wrongly) only looking at team record and not player record it will help him.

Objectively, everyone should be looking at record of games they have played in which case not playing will hurt him slightly.

[_NoMas]

Embiids whole MVP case over Giannis is the fact he shoots better from the free throw line… he’s going to win because the popular narrative is ‘he deserves one he hasn’t won one yet, Jokic and Giannis have’

[brettski]

Gianni’s may just win after all

Great game against Embiid, but I feel like we have short term memory. He just got beat by over 40, against the Celtics.

That's very true, he did, because he showed up and played. On the third game in 4 nights and a back to back. Embiid talked a big game about MVP then sat out vs Jokic. Giannis is also icing his wrist after every game has been since the all star break. Still plays, doesn't make excuses on losses.

My long term memory also says Giannis played almost all season without Middleton and has led his team to the NBA's best record so far.

In saying all that I still think Jokic is the MVP this year. I view Giannis as second and Embiid as third.

[GiannisAnte34]

Embiid should have to play at least 70 games to win MVP unless he has comfortably better stats than the field, which he doesn’t. Don’t give him MVP just as a pity award

[eyeatoma]

Gianni’s may just win after all

Great game against Embiid, but I feel like we have short term memory. He just got beat by over 40, against the Celtics.

That's very true, he did, because he showed up and played. On the third game in 4 nights and a back to back. Embiid talked a big game about MVP then sat out vs Jokic. Giannis is also icing his wrist after every game has been since the all star break. Still plays, doesn't make excuses on losses.

My long term memory also says Giannis played almost all season without Middleton and has led his team to the NBA's best record so far.

In saying all that I still think Jokic is the MVP this year. I view Giannis as second and Embiid as third.

Please stop with the sat out vs Jokic lol. Jokic just sat out the last three games, including against the Warriors, and SUns. Is he ducking KD and Steph?

[Sgt Major]

No, because he's injured. Embiid only had to deal with an "injury" against Denver.

[KGtabake]

Great game against Embiid, but I feel like we have short term memory. He just got beat by over 40, against the Celtics.

That's very true, he did, because he showed up and played. On the third game in 4 nights and a back to back. Embiid talked a big game about MVP then sat out vs Jokic. Giannis is also icing his wrist after every game has been since the all star break. Still plays, doesn't make excuses on losses.

My long term memory also says Giannis played almost all season without Middleton and has led his team to the NBA's best record so far.

In saying all that I still think Jokic is the MVP this year. I view Giannis as second and Embiid as third.

Please stop with the sat out vs Jokic lol. Jokic just sat out the last three games, including against the Warriors, and SUns. Is he ducking KD and Steph?

No you should stop mate. You called him out a few days ago and you did well, he deserved it.

And KD and Steph are not MVP candidates, which is something you already know.

[eyeatoma]

No, because he's injured. Embiid only had to deal with an "injury" against Denver.

Embiid is injured too, he's just playing through it.

[eyeatoma]

That's very true, he did, because he showed up and played. On the third game in 4 nights and a back to back. Embiid talked a big game about MVP then sat out vs Jokic. Giannis is also icing his wrist after every game has been since the all star break. Still plays, doesn't make excuses on losses.

My long term memory also says Giannis played almost all season without Middleton and has led his team to the NBA's best record so far.

In saying all that I still think Jokic is the MVP this year. I view Giannis as second and Embiid as third.

Please stop with the sat out vs Jokic lol. Jokic just sat out the last three games, including against the Warriors, and SUns. Is he ducking KD and Steph?

No you should stop mate. You called him out a few days ago and you did well, he deserved it.

And KD and Steph are not MVP candidates, which is something you already know.

They are his direct competition in the West. Most likely they'll face each other at some point in the playoffs.

[KGtabake]

Please stop with the sat out vs Jokic lol. Jokic just sat out the last three games, including against the Warriors, and SUns. Is he ducking KD and Steph?

No you should stop mate. You called him out a few days ago and you did well, he deserved it.

And KD and Steph are not MVP candidates, which is something you already know.

They are his direct competition in the West. Most likely they'll face each other at some point in the playoffs.

Irrelevant with the MVP.

[DaFan334]

Please stop with the sat out vs Jokic lol. Jokic just sat out the last three games, including against the Warriors, and SUns. Is he ducking KD and Steph?

No you should stop mate. You called him out a few days ago and you did well, he deserved it.

And KD and Steph are not MVP candidates, which is something you already know.

They are his direct competition in the West. Most likely they'll face each other at some point in the playoffs.

They aren't in direct competition for the #1 seed. Right now, that and health are all that matter for Denver. They are most likely sitting Jokic to get him some rest when the games have little meaning. I don't think they wanted to give the Suns or Warriors any looks for the playoffs. Jokic has still played and won in more games than Giannas and Embiid and still has the advantage in that category.

The Embiid vs Jokic match up was a duck by Embiid. Its hard to argue otherwise if he is now "playing through it". If he actually is playing injured, seems like poor management at this point in the year when the 76ers are almost locked into the 3 seed.

[LordCovington33]

Embiid should have to play at least 70 games to win MVP unless he has comfortably better stats than the field, which he doesn’t. Don’t give him MVP just as a pity award

Love how you mention that cutoff point, knowing it’s now impossible to achieve. This would disqualify Giannis too. Jokic is also struggling to reach that magical number.

[AleksandarN]

Does Denver beating GSW without Jokic help or hurt Joker's case?

Given this is the first time in 3 months Denver beat anyone without jokic I doubt it. Plus GSW suck ass on the road

[GiannisAnte34]

Embiid should have to play at least 70 games to win MVP unless he has comfortably better stats than the field, which he doesn’t. Don’t give him MVP just as a pity award

Love how you mention that cutoff point, knowing it’s now impossible to achieve. This would disqualify Giannis too. Jokic is also struggling to reach that magical number.

No MVP has played less than 71 games (assuming 82 in a season), is it really unreasonable to expect someone with less games played to have a bigger margin to justify the award? I think Embiid has not made it clear he is better than Giannis and Jokic. The award should go to Jokic

[B-easy]

Record after today.

Giannis 46-16
Jokic 48-19
Embiid 42-22

[old skool]

You guys keep saying this but the Celtics had played 4 games in 6 nights at that point. Bucks were 5 games in 7 nights.

This is becoming the new "but we didn't have Middleton" excuse

No.

March 24-30 Boston played 4 games in 3 different cities (Boston, Washington, Milwaukee). 3 days off. (Boston only played 3 games in 6 days ending with the game in Milwaukee.)

Milwaukee played 5 games in 5 different cities (Salt Lake City, Denver, Detroit, Indianapolis, Milwaukee). 2 days off.

Boston had more rest and less travel that 7 days, but that did not explain Milwaukee being down by 40 after three quarters. Boston played a great game in a contest Milwaukee was trying to win.

Milwaukee is 27-5 since Middleton returned from injury in January. Milwaukee is much easier to beat when Middleton is out.

[eyeatoma]

No you should stop mate. You called him out a few days ago and you did well, he deserved it.

And KD and Steph are not MVP candidates, which is something you already know.

They are his direct competition in the West. Most likely they'll face each other at some point in the playoffs.

They aren't in direct competition for the #1 seed. Right now, that and health are all that matter for Denver. They are most likely sitting Jokic to get him some rest when the games have little meaning. I don't think they wanted to give the Suns or Warriors any looks for the playoffs. Jokic has still played and won in more games than Giannas and Embiid and still has the advantage in that category.

The Embiid vs Jokic match up was a duck by Embiid. Its hard to argue otherwise if he is now "playing through it". If he actually is playing injured, seems like poor management at this point in the year when the 76ers are almost locked into the 3 seed.

Sixers and poor management go hand in hand. In all honesty he should be sitting, with the playoffs being most important.

[Exp0sed]

They are his direct competition in the West. Most likely they'll face each other at some point in the playoffs.

They aren't in direct competition for the #1 seed. Right now, that and health are all that matter for Denver. They are most likely sitting Jokic to get him some rest when the games have little meaning. I don't think they wanted to give the Suns or Warriors any looks for the playoffs. Jokic has still played and won in more games than Giannas and Embiid and still has the advantage in that category.

The Embiid vs Jokic match up was a duck by Embiid. Its hard to argue otherwise if he is now "playing through it". If he actually is playing injured, seems like poor management at this point in the year when the 76ers are almost locked into the 3 seed.

Sixers and poor management go hand in hand. In all honesty he should be sitting, with the playoffs being most important.

so what ur saying is, Embiid is mute? he has no voice or influence over that? that's laughable my friend..

If Embiid comes to coach\managment and says i'm banged up I need to sit till the playoffs wer're locked at #3 anyway
do they say no? haha

suddenly he is this subordinate who does what he's told, lol

he was awful last night defensively, if this was a Jokic game you would be posting clips of his constantly losing his man and out of defensive position almost every play

Giannis scoring in transition while Embiid is still in the other half of the court, you'd be posting clips saying "Jokic too slow" if the shoe was on the other foot

Embiid ducked Jokic in Denver, should have done the same yesterday

76ers are gonna finish 3rd in the East, 4th overall (maybe even 5th), Embiid will sit and barely play his usual 66 games
he has absoultely no case, "PPG" ain't gonna get him there especially when he's shooting so much