2022-2023 Regular Season Game 78: Detroit Pistons (16-61) at Orlando Magic (33-44) - 6pm

[Audi]

Markelle was my favorite prospect out of all of tank our tank years. That pull-up, off the dribble, 3pt shot was a BIG part of it. Why does he keep teasing us?

He is only player in history, since probably Elf Payton, who's every single 3 point attemp is analyzed to a slightest detail. Like, pullup 3 is most basic, normal shot in nba. Jordan Clarkson took 213 pull up 3s this year. Fultz took 15. and every single one of them was on twitter

Is it physical, mental... who cares at this point?

He doesn't take them, he made 5 whole season long. On 15 attemps. It's beyond ridicilous to keep talking about his 3 point shooting. He made 73 threes over his entire nba career, 6 years. Aaron Gordon as "bad" shooter, in his 3rd year made 77 , on better percentages.

So you have two factors:
1) volumen- ultra, ultra low
2) accuracy- crazy bad for nba

Can we not pretend that making 1 pull up 3 every month means that he is "fixable" for 6 years straight?

The clip is hilarious. Why? Because he’s so satisfied with himself after doing something 95% of starting point guards do every quarter of every game. Very funny.

Not as funny as you gleaning how he feels about himself from a few seconds of facial expressions…

[GGforever]

Saw a highlight of Chuma’s made 3 last night. As a hater of his shot form, last night looked great compared.

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He is only player in history, since probably Elf Payton, who's every single 3 point attemp is analyzed to a slightest detail. Like, pullup 3 is most basic, normal shot in nba. Jordan Clarkson took 213 pull up 3s this year. Fultz took 15. and every single one of them was on twitter

Is it physical, mental... who cares at this point?

He doesn't take them, he made 5 whole season long. On 15 attemps. It's beyond ridicilous to keep talking about his 3 point shooting. He made 73 threes over his entire nba career, 6 years. Aaron Gordon as "bad" shooter, in his 3rd year made 77 , on better percentages.

So you have two factors:
1) volumen- ultra, ultra low
2) accuracy- crazy bad for nba

Can we not pretend that making 1 pull up 3 every month means that he is "fixable" for 6 years straight?

The clip is hilarious. Why? Because he’s so satisfied with himself after doing something 95% of starting point guards do every quarter of every game. Very funny.

Not as funny as you gleaning how he feels about himself from a few seconds of facial expressions…

Not as funny as every fan and outlet of Magic media covering a 3 point shot against g-leaguers in a tank game.

Pretty telling about how much of a historic event it was.

[Bakomagic]

The clip is hilarious. Why? Because he’s so satisfied with himself after doing something 95% of starting point guards do every quarter of every game. Very funny.

Not as funny as you gleaning how he feels about himself from a few seconds of facial expressions…

Not as funny as every fan and outlet of Magic media covering a 3 point shot against g-leaguers in a tank game.

Pretty telling about how much of a historic event it was.

I know you meant this as a diss, but I think it’s great that we have such a passionate fan base!

Hopefully it translates to great home crowds when we start making playoff runs

[Husky1]

The clip is hilarious. Why? Because he’s so satisfied with himself after doing something 95% of starting point guards do every quarter of every game. Very funny.

Not as funny as you gleaning how he feels about himself from a few seconds of facial expressions…

Not as funny as every fan and outlet of Magic media covering a 3 point shot against g-leaguers in a tank game.

Pretty telling about how much of a historic event it was.

Keep that same energy when we’re competing. I think it’s a great sign that this fan base is ready to pop

[zaymon]

The Fultz doubters are crazy.

And actually mad about this clip.

For the record, I'm not mad at the clip and I hope he continues to shoot the 3 that way for the rest of his career.

I also hope he continous to get better but not on our team. There is something Ben Simmons about Fultz. I worry he will crack in the playoffs mentally like Ben and Simmons was better player.
Its amazing that once the pressure is off he changes his form.

[MagicStarwipe]

Markelle was feeling good this game. Not only this rhythm 3, but that windmill dunk. It seems like he's only comfortable using this shot motion on hesi pull ups. Hopefully his confidence can continue to grow.

[JBSouthpaw]

And actually mad about this clip.

For the record, I'm not mad at the clip and I hope he continues to shoot the 3 that way for the rest of his career.

I also hope he continous to get better but not on our team. There is something Ben Simmons about Fultz. I worry he will crack in the playoffs mentally like Ben and Simmons was better player.
Its amazing that once the pressure is off he changes his form.

You mean the way he seems to have great relationships with his teammates?
Fultz has dealt with his pressure(#1 pick, injury), playoffs will be a joy for him.
If Fultz is included in a trade to upgrade, fine. But he isn't the top 3 issue with this team.
He's proven to be the best PG on this team by a mile.
OH, and he might get better too.

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For the record, I'm not mad at the clip and I hope he continues to shoot the 3 that way for the rest of his career.

I also hope he continous to get better but not on our team. There is something Ben Simmons about Fultz. I worry he will crack in the playoffs mentally like Ben and Simmons was better player.
Its amazing that once the pressure is off he changes his form.

You mean the way he seems to have great relationships with his teammates?
Fultz has dealt with his pressure(#1 pick, injury), playoffs will be a joy for him.
If Fultz is included in a trade to upgrade, fine. But he isn't the top 3 issue with this team.
He's proven to be the best PG on this team by a mile.
OH, and he might get better too.

What are the top 3?

Back court and 3 point shooting are easily two of the problems with this roster.

[JBSouthpaw]

I also hope he continous to get better but not on our team. There is something Ben Simmons about Fultz. I worry he will crack in the playoffs mentally like Ben and Simmons was better player.
Its amazing that once the pressure is off he changes his form.

You mean the way he seems to have great relationships with his teammates?
Fultz has dealt with his pressure(#1 pick, injury), playoffs will be a joy for him.
If Fultz is included in a trade to upgrade, fine. But he isn't the top 3 issue with this team.
He's proven to be the best PG on this team by a mile.
OH, and he might get better too.

What are the top 3?

Back court and 3 point shooting are easily two of the problems with this roster.

My take is:
1. a starting level SG
2. Overall team improvement in 3pt making(Franz & Paolo+ backups)
3. a true rim protector backup C
4. an athletic wing backup behind Franz

I think #1 is the obvious issue, will help with #2.

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You mean the way he seems to have great relationships with his teammates?
Fultz has dealt with his pressure(#1 pick, injury), playoffs will be a joy for him.
If Fultz is included in a trade to upgrade, fine. But he isn't the top 3 issue with this team.
He's proven to be the best PG on this team by a mile.
OH, and he might get better too.

What are the top 3?

Back court and 3 point shooting are easily two of the problems with this roster.

My take is:
1. a starting level SG
2. Overall team improvement in 3pt making(Franz & Paolo+ backups)
3. a true rim protector backup C
4. an athletic wing backup behind Franz

I think #1 is the obvious issue, will help with #2.

If Franz and Paolo are going to have the ball a majority of the time, what is Fultz doing off the ball on offense? Is he running a pnr with Paolo? Yet to be seen effectively.

Is this lone shooting guard going to solve all issues with the 3 in the starting lineup? That seems like a lot of stock to put into this player to solve a roster- wide issue.

I agree on 3 and 4. Not sure if those are huge issues that can’t be solved in one off-season of vet signings or a draft pick.

I think there is a camp of people that believe there is zero culpability on this roster at point guard despite it being one of the most important positions in an nba starting lineup. You can get by without an elite SG, but not with a mediocre PG.

[JBSouthpaw]

What are the top 3?

Back court and 3 point shooting are easily two of the problems with this roster.

My take is:
1. a starting level SG
2. Overall team improvement in 3pt making(Franz & Paolo+ backups)
3. a true rim protector backup C
4. an athletic wing backup behind Franz

I think #1 is the obvious issue, will help with #2.

If Franz and Paolo are going to have the ball a majority of the time, what is Fultz doing off the ball on offense? Is he running a pnr with Paolo? Yet to be seen effectively.

Is this lone shooting guard going to solve all issues with the 3 in the starting lineup? That seems like a lot of stock to put into this player to solve a roster- wide issue.

Not sure what you mean, #2 clear says "overall team improvement with the 3".

I agree on 3 and 4. Not sure if those are huge issues that can’t be solved in one off-season of vet signings or a draft pick.

I think there is a camp of people that believe there is zero culpability on this roster at point guard despite it being one of the most important positions in an nba starting lineup. You can get by without an elite SG, but not with a mediocre PG.
Not taking 3s doesn't make him a mediocre PG, He's well above average defender (half the game), besides 3s, what else is there he is mediocre at?

see red above.

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My take is:
1. a starting level SG
2. Overall team improvement in 3pt making(Franz & Paolo+ backups)
3. a true rim protector backup C
4. an athletic wing backup behind Franz

I think #1 is the obvious issue, will help with #2.

If Franz and Paolo are going to have the ball a majority of the time, what is Fultz doing off the ball on offense? Is he running a pnr with Paolo? Yet to be seen effectively.

Is this lone shooting guard going to solve all issues with the 3 in the starting lineup? That seems like a lot of stock to put into this player to solve a roster- wide issue.

Not sure what you mean, #2 clear says "overall team improvement with the 3".

I agree on 3 and 4. Not sure if those are huge issues that can’t be solved in one off-season of vet signings or a draft pick.

I think there is a camp of people that believe there is zero culpability on this roster at point guard despite it being one of the most important positions in an nba starting lineup. You can get by without an elite SG, but not with a mediocre PG.
Not taking 3s doesn't make him a mediocre PG, He's well above average defender (half the game), besides 3s, what else is there he is mediocre at?

see red above.

The bolded part you decided not to respond to answers your second question.

Playmaking in the half court (pnr w Paolo), shooting, average perimeter defense, doing anything off the ball offensively.

Shooting is a requirement for a starting point guard. It isn’t a deficiency you build around instead of solving.

[JBSouthpaw]

If Franz and Paolo are going to have the ball a majority of the time, what is Fultz doing off the ball on offense? Is he running a pnr with Paolo? Yet to be seen effectively.

Is this lone shooting guard going to solve all issues with the 3 in the starting lineup? That seems like a lot of stock to put into this player to solve a roster- wide issue.

Not sure what you mean, #2 clear says "overall team improvement with the 3".

I agree on 3 and 4. Not sure if those are huge issues that can’t be solved in one off-season of vet signings or a draft pick.

I think there is a camp of people that believe there is zero culpability on this roster at point guard despite it being one of the most important positions in an nba starting lineup. You can get by without an elite SG, but not with a mediocre PG.
Not taking 3s doesn't make him a mediocre PG, He's well above average defender (half the game), besides 3s, what else is there he is mediocre at?

see red above.

The bolded part you decided not to respond to answers your second question.

Playmaking in the half court (pnr w Paolo), shooting, average perimeter defense, doing anything off the ball offensively.

Shooting is a requirement for a starting point guard. It isn’t a deficiency you build around instead of solving.

Do you consider it that way now? I think it's pretty split playmaking between the 3.
If you think they'll only run Point forward, then yes, the more shooters around those 2 the better.

[eyriq]

You mean the way he seems to have great relationships with his teammates?
Fultz has dealt with his pressure(#1 pick, injury), playoffs will be a joy for him.
If Fultz is included in a trade to upgrade, fine. But he isn't the top 3 issue with this team.
He's proven to be the best PG on this team by a mile.
OH, and he might get better too.

What are the top 3?

Back court and 3 point shooting are easily two of the problems with this roster.

My take is:
1. a starting level SG
2. Overall team improvement in 3pt making(Franz & Paolo+ backups)
3. a true rim protector backup C
4. an athletic wing backup behind Franz

I think #1 is the obvious issue, will help with #2.

Nailed it for me, especially the wing defender to backup Franz. It crushes my soul when we sub in Cole for Franz and shift Harris down to the three.

[RichCollab]

And actually mad about this clip.

For the record, I'm not mad at the clip and I hope he continues to shoot the 3 that way for the rest of his career.

I also hope he continous to get better but not on our team. There is something Ben Simmons about Fultz. I worry he will crack in the playoffs mentally like Ben and Simmons was better player.
Its amazing that once the pressure is off he changes his form.

I get the 3pt criticism but Ben Simmons and cracking? You are way off base.

[zaymon]

For the record, I'm not mad at the clip and I hope he continues to shoot the 3 that way for the rest of his career.

I also hope he continous to get better but not on our team. There is something Ben Simmons about Fultz. I worry he will crack in the playoffs mentally like Ben and Simmons was better player.
Its amazing that once the pressure is off he changes his form.

I get the 3pt criticism but Ben Simmons and cracking? You are way off base.

Its obviously not on Ben Simmons level, but who is ? He cant create for others at the end of games. He either shoots midrangers or loses the ball. What is the reason his mechanics changed when we are basically out of the playoffs ? When games mattered he was propably too scared to shoot that way. Tell me other realistic reason i will wait.

[swarlesbarkley]

I also hope he continous to get better but not on our team. There is something Ben Simmons about Fultz. I worry he will crack in the playoffs mentally like Ben and Simmons was better player.
Its amazing that once the pressure is off he changes his form.

I get the 3pt criticism but Ben Simmons and cracking? You are way off base.

Its obviously not on Ben Simmons level, but who is ? He cant create for others at the end of games. He either shoots midrangers or loses the ball. What is the reason his mechanics changed when we are basically out of the playoffs ? When games mattered he was propably too scared to shoot that way. Tell me other realistic reason i will wait.

LOL. Someone on Fultz's medical team has obviously told him to shoot that way from 3 and the FT line because of his TOS. The question isn't why he used a different form in the DET game, it's what type of damage did it do. None? Great - then shoot it that way all the time. My guess is he'll go back to the slow mo push again tonight.

[Last Guardian]

Dear lord it’s been said a million times that he shoots different off the dribble then spot up. Literally every time. But it’s now because “the pressure is off”. His free throw looks the same as his open 3. It literally has nothing to do with the distance from the basket. “The pressure is off” LMAO

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see red above.

The bolded part you decided not to respond to answers your second question.

Playmaking in the half court (pnr w Paolo), shooting, average perimeter defense, doing anything off the ball offensively.

Shooting is a requirement for a starting point guard. It isn’t a deficiency you build around instead of solving.

Do you consider it that way now? I think it's pretty split playmaking between the 3.
If you think they'll only run Point forward, then yes, the more shooters around those 2 the better.

I think Franz is making plays on the ball about as much as either other point guard at this point. Paolo is mostly limited to iso-ball from what I've seen.

I just think that if your two main Forwards are going to be making plays, then BOTH of the guards should be able to shoot. It only makes sense.

Sure, everyone should be getting better from outside. Every team could say that about their roster. It's more about the personnel dynamics and shortcomings. In other words, highlighting what your star players do well and not putting them in more difficult circumstances.