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Re: 2023 NFL Draft Discussion - Bears Trade #1 to Panthers for DJ Moore + 4 Picks 

Post#641 » by Matches Malone » Wed Apr 5, 2023 9:04 pm

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Post#642 » by sdn40 » Wed Apr 5, 2023 9:37 pm

Nothing shocking there. After you clear the hype smoke, his rankings make sense
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Post#643 » by ReasonablySober » Wed Apr 5, 2023 10:02 pm

Getting to the point where I'm wondering if Kincaid even makes it to GB.
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Post#644 » by sdn40 » Wed Apr 5, 2023 10:21 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:Getting to the point where I'm wondering if Kincaid even makes it to GB.


Speaking strictly from how MLF uses TE's, I'm not sure there is a huge gap between Kincaid and Laporta. Especially if you can get Laporta a full round later and use #15 on a premium position
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Re: 2023 NFL Draft Discussion - Bears Trade #1 to Panthers for DJ Moore + 4 Picks 

Post#645 » by ReasonablySober » Wed Apr 5, 2023 10:30 pm

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ReasonablySober wrote:Getting to the point where I'm wondering if Kincaid even makes it to GB.


Speaking strictly from how MLF uses TE's, I'm not sure there is a huge gap between Kincaid and Laporta. Especially if you can get Laporta a full round later and use #15 on a premium position


Every NFL coach will tell you they aren't so beholden to their systems that they won't take advantage of the talent they have. The fact is MLF's never had a top of the line tight end talent. We have no idea what it would look like.
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Post#646 » by ReasonablySober » Wed Apr 5, 2023 10:31 pm

I don't have a problem on them skipping TE at #15 in the hopes of getting one later. But then you better **** get one later, one way or another.
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ReasonablySober wrote:Getting to the point where I'm wondering if Kincaid even makes it to GB.


Speaking strictly from how MLF uses TE's, I'm not sure there is a huge gap between Kincaid and Laporta. Especially if you can get Laporta a full round later and use #15 on a premium position


Every NFL coach will tell you they aren't so beholden to their systems that they won't take advantage of the talent they have. The fact is MLF's never had a top of the line tight end talent. We have no idea what it would look like.


I have no doubt a package or play can be designed. But TE as an H-back, lined up at fullback, in motion crack back blocking. Those are all staples of the MLF offense. He isn't gonna tear apart his offensive scheme. That's how I look at it anyway. And we obviously differ on taking any TE that high in the First Round. That's where premium positions are drafted. The best Center, Guard, TE, Safety, RB, are all later First Round spots IMO
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Post#648 » by sdn40 » Wed Apr 5, 2023 10:45 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:I don't have a problem on them skipping TE at #15 in the hopes of getting one later. But then you better **** get one later, one way or another.


You also better get a Safety or two, a DL, an Edge. I've resigned myself to the fact that not all holes are gonna be filled this off season with the high profile FA's or draft picks fans want. We are no longer in a "all in mode." Maybe not even in playoffs mode.
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Post#649 » by ReasonablySober » Wed Apr 5, 2023 10:48 pm

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Speaking strictly from how MLF uses TE's, I'm not sure there is a huge gap between Kincaid and Laporta. Especially if you can get Laporta a full round later and use #15 on a premium position


Every NFL coach will tell you they aren't so beholden to their systems that they won't take advantage of the talent they have. The fact is MLF's never had a top of the line tight end talent. We have no idea what it would look like.


I have no doubt a package or play can be designed. But TE as an H-back, lined up at fullback, in motion crack back blocking. Those are all staples of the MLF offense. He isn't gonna tear apart his offensive scheme. That's how I look at it anyway. And we obviously differ on taking any TE that high in the First Round. That's where premium positions are drafted. The best Center, Guard, TE, Safety, RB, are all later First Round spots IMO


I mean, just look at offenses run by Shanahan and Reid. They weren't out here featuring TE heavy schemes. They they got Kittle and Kelce and things changed. Ben Watson and Chris Baker got a combined 43 receptions in New England in 2009. The next season when Gronk and Hernandez arrived they got 87 receptions.

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Post#650 » by sdn40 » Wed Apr 5, 2023 10:52 pm

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Every NFL coach will tell you they aren't so beholden to their systems that they won't take advantage of the talent they have. The fact is MLF's never had a top of the line tight end talent. We have no idea what it would look like.


I have no doubt a package or play can be designed. But TE as an H-back, lined up at fullback, in motion crack back blocking. Those are all staples of the MLF offense. He isn't gonna tear apart his offensive scheme. That's how I look at it anyway. And we obviously differ on taking any TE that high in the First Round. That's where premium positions are drafted. The best Center, Guard, TE, Safety, RB, are all later First Round spots IMO


I mean, just look at offenses run by Shanahan and Reid. They weren't out here featuring TE heavy schemes. They they got Kittle and Kelce and things changed. Ben Watson and Chris Baker got a combined 43 receptions in New England in 2009. The next season when Gronk and Hernandez arrived they got 87 receptions.

Coaches coach to the talent.


Those are some good coaches. I'll be happy if MLF learns how to coach 3rd and 1
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Post#651 » by Matches Malone » Thu Apr 6, 2023 4:50 am

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Post#652 » by LUKE23 » Thu Apr 6, 2023 12:43 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:I don't have a problem on them skipping TE at #15 in the hopes of getting one later. But then you better **** get one later, one way or another.


This is how I feel. I like Washington a lot also, but the pure receiing talent/burst of Kincaid is going to be really hard to pass on. Him with Watson would really put some fear in opposing defenses.

I really want an edge rusher or a pass catching weapon with #15.
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Post#653 » by Giannisland34 » Thu Apr 6, 2023 3:58 pm

The potential value at 15 doesn’t seem to really be there. I’m all for trading down unless someone falls that shouldn’t. The meat and value in this years draft is in rounds 2-3. So the more of those picks you can acquire the better.
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Post#654 » by jakecronus8 » Thu Apr 6, 2023 4:00 pm

Giannisland34 wrote:The potential value at 15 doesn’t seem to really be there. I’m all for trading down unless someone falls that shouldn’t. The meat and value in this years draft is in rounds 2-3. So the more of those picks you can acquire the better.


Totally agree. If you make that potential Rodgers deal with the 2 2nds, then trade back with someone who has two 2nds (lets say Pittsburgh) I think you're sitting pretty with 5 second rounders to restock the cabinets. Especially helpful given the cap hell that they're currently in.
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Re: 2023 NFL Draft Discussion - Bears Trade #1 to Panthers for DJ Moore + 4 Picks 

Post#656 » by zmanishere11 » Thu Apr 6, 2023 5:58 pm

For me the lack of talent at WR is the biggest issue, especially considering you're moving on with a new QB. If one of Watson or Doubs goes down we are literally ****. Also - given the contract situation with WR's broadly, having a guy there cheap for 4 years is very attractive.

Give me JSN or Zay Flowers in the first please.

There are a ton of TE's in this draft and Lafleur just hasn't utilized the position - wait and grab one later

Given my thoughts at WR we will surely a draft d-line in the 1st and sit them for most of the year.

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Post#658 » by sdn40 » Fri Apr 7, 2023 2:01 pm

Amazing that the QB feeding frenzy is probably gonna push a plug and play 10 year OT or ER to 15.
No brainer for Gute

Do yourself a favor and scroll thru picks 1-18 of last years draft with no QB's taken to really appreciate what may drop in our lap.
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Post#659 » by Matches Malone » Fri Apr 7, 2023 3:41 pm

Tyrique Stevenson seems like he would fit the STAR position perfectly in Joe Barry's Scheme. Maybe play a little safety as well.
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Post#660 » by LUKE23 » Fri Apr 7, 2023 4:56 pm

Ideally I don't want to go CB again, but Witherspoon would be hard to pass on. I think he has almost zero bust chance, and he and Jaire together is lockdown city.

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