NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2022-23 (part 5 - The Final-er MVP Countdown!)

[HardenToSixers]

Maybe if we got rid of the defensive side of the game.

ironic on part 5, page 16 about how Jokic is the greatest player in NBA history.

defense isn't as important from the wing position, especially if you're a generationally great scorer. isolation scoring pays the bills more than anything else in the league.

My point is, if you want to say Luka has eclipsed Giannis, his offensive impact has to be so much higher than Giannis that it makes me forget how dominant a defender Giannis is.

Because of Giannis’ lack of bag in playoff crunch time I would easily rather take Luka. You can get the other surrounding pieces to make up for his defensive deficiencies.

Giannis is a great defensive tool no doubt but that roster is full of great athletes and defenders and Lopez is maybe the leading DPOY. They would still be more than fine on defense if you swapped Giannis for Luka.

[LloydFree]

I wouldn't count out Giannis in this MVP race. With the blatant stubbornness and vitriol of the debate between the two sides in the Embiid-Jokic debate, Id be willing to bet Giannis gets 90% of the 2nd place votes in this year's race. With the Jokic voters voting Embiid 3rd or worse and the Embiid voters voting Jokic 3rd or worse out of pure spite...

... Now that I think about it, I think I'm going to put a little money on Giannis to steal this thing.

[flranger]

April 10: Season ends. Embiid is clearly the MVP, no brainer.
May 1: MVP announced, Embiid wins MVP
May 9: Ugh....what were we thinking
June 12: See.....I said all along Giannis should be the MVP.

[Profound23]

Ok give Embiid MVP, Lopez DPOY, Portis 6th man of the year, Mike Brown coach of the year.

[ANTETOKOUNBROS]

Imagine Jokic winning a third in a row and not winning the chip this year. Instantly becomes THE unrivaled and unprecedentedly accomplished poster boy of magnificent but ultimately meaningless stats in an era of historical stat inflation. The most accomplished loser in NBA history. He would be a walking mockery of the award for years to come until he finally wins something.

Then an asterisk for each year he won “his teammates were awful so he deserves the award” to make sure the RGM Jokic apologists are appeased.

[AussieCeltic]

Imagine Jokic winning a third in a row and not winning the chip this year. Instantly becomes THE unrivaled and unprecedentedly accomplished career loser with magnificent stats in an era of unfettered stat inflation. The most accomplished loser in NBA history. He would be a walking mockery of the award for years to come until he finally wins something.

Then an asterisk for each year he won “his teammates were awful so he deserves the award” to make sure the RGM Jokic apologists are appeased.

Giannis won 2 before ever winning a chip. He won his championship the year after winning his second and was in the exact same spot Jokic is in now.

Had KD’s foot been an inch back would you call him a career loser?

[bebopdeluxe]

Imagine Jokic winning a third in a row and not winning the chip this year. Instantly becomes THE unrivaled and unprecedentedly accomplished career loser with magnificent stats in an era of unfettered stat inflation. The most accomplished loser in NBA history. He would be a walking mockery of the award for years to come until he finally wins something.

Then an asterisk for each year he won “his teammates were awful so he deserves the award” to make sure the RGM Jokic apologists are appeased.

Post of the thread right here. A rec for you, sir.

[ANTETOKOUNBROS]

Imagine Jokic winning a third in a row and not winning the chip this year. Instantly becomes THE unrivaled and unprecedentedly accomplished career loser with magnificent stats in an era of unfettered stat inflation. The most accomplished loser in NBA history. He would be a walking mockery of the award for years to come until he finally wins something.

Then an asterisk for each year he won “his teammates were awful so he deserves the award” to make sure the RGM Jokic apologists are appeased.

Giannis won 2 before ever winning a chip. He won his championship the year after winning his second and was in the exact same spot Jokic is in now.

Had KD’s foot been an inch back would you call him a career loser?

Yes. And Giannis would be sweating at that point with 2 MVPS (one of which came with a DPOY) but at worst he would be Steve Nash. Giannis is a historically good defender. So he does not have a glaring flaw there as a Nash or Jokic.

But three MVPs in a row and winning nothing? That’s unheard of and puts Jokic historically in direct contrast with a career winner/GOAT MJ and his consecutive MVPs. Sure he could win later but are his best years ahead of him after 3 MVPs in a row or behind him? His teammates also suck after all says RGM.

[eyeatoma]

Imagine Jokic winning a third in a row and not winning the chip this year. Instantly becomes THE unrivaled and unprecedentedly accomplished career loser with magnificent stats in an era of unfettered stat inflation. The most accomplished loser in NBA history. He would be a walking mockery of the award for years to come until he finally wins something.

Then an asterisk for each year he won “his teammates were awful so he deserves the award” to make sure the RGM Jokic apologists are appeased.

Giannis won 2 before ever winning a chip. He won his championship the year after winning his second and was in the exact same spot Jokic is in now.

Had KD’s foot been an inch back would you call him a career loser?

Yes. And Giannis would be sweating at that point with 2 MVPS (one of which came with a DPOY) but at worst he would be Steve Nash. Giannis is a historically good defender. So he does not have a glaring flaw there as a Nash or Jokic.

But three MVPs in a row and winning nothing? That’s unheard of and puts Jokic historically in contrast with a career winner/GOAT MJ and his consecutive MVPs. Sure he could win later but are his best years ahead of him after 3 MVPs in a row or behind him? His teammates also suck after all says RGM.

This a 1000 times. Imaginary Reddit award for you.

[greekbuck34]

The last 7 MVP winners got bounched 4 times in the 1st round or in the 2nd round, two times in the Conference finals(Harden and Giannis) and even Curry after his 2nd MVP lost a 3-1 lead in the Finals.

Based on this season EC 2nd round this "curse" will likely continue for a 8th time with another MVP winner not even making it in the Conference final.

[GiannisAnte34]

ironic on part 5, page 16 about how Jokic is the greatest player in NBA history.

defense isn't as important from the wing position, especially if you're a generationally great scorer. isolation scoring pays the bills more than anything else in the league.

My point is, if you want to say Luka has eclipsed Giannis, his offensive impact has to be so much higher than Giannis that it makes me forget how dominant a defender Giannis is.

Because of Giannis’ lack of bag in playoff crunch time I would easily rather take Luka. You can get the other surrounding pieces to make up for his defensive deficiencies.

Giannis is a great defensive tool no doubt but that roster is full of great athletes and defenders and Lopez is maybe the leading DPOY. They would still be more than fine on defense if you swapped Giannis for Luka.

Lmao lack of bag in playoff crunch time? Even tho Giannis has now added one of the most respectable mid range shots in the game. The only defense to Giannis is collapsing multiple defenders on him and hoping that his shooter bricks the 3. If you really believe Luka is a more valuable piece than Giannis… all the best to you.

[Jhawk03]

The last 7 MVP winners got bounched 4 times in the 1st round or in the 2nd round, two times in the Conference finals(Harden and Giannis) and even Curry after his 2nd MVP lost a 3-1 lead in the Finals.

Based on this season EC 2nd round this "curse" will likely continue for a 8th time with another MVP winner not even making it in the Conference final.

I'm once again here to say that this award will lead to a discussion of racism. I mean, why include playoff performance for a regular season award unless

[BoatsNZones]

My point is, if you want to say Luka has eclipsed Giannis, his offensive impact has to be so much higher than Giannis that it makes me forget how dominant a defender Giannis is.

Because of Giannis’ lack of bag in playoff crunch time I would easily rather take Luka. You can get the other surrounding pieces to make up for his defensive deficiencies.

Giannis is a great defensive tool no doubt but that roster is full of great athletes and defenders and Lopez is maybe the leading DPOY. They would still be more than fine on defense if you swapped Giannis for Luka.

Lmao lack of bag in playoff crunch time? Even tho Giannis has now added one of the most respectable mid range shots in the game. The only defense to Giannis is collapsing multiple defenders on him and hoping that his shooter bricks the 3. If you really believe Luka is a more valuable piece than Giannis… all the best to you.

I'm sorry what?

[LloydFree]

Imagine Jokic winning a third in a row and not winning the chip this year. Instantly becomes THE unrivaled and unprecedentedly accomplished poster boy of magnificent but ultimately meaningless stats in an era of historical stat inflation. The most accomplished loser in NBA history. He would be a walking mockery of the award for years to come until he finally wins something.

Then an asterisk for each year he won “his teammates were awful so he deserves the award” to make sure the RGM Jokic apologists are appeased.

Kinda like an updated Steve Nash

[GiannisAnte34]

Because of Giannis’ lack of bag in playoff crunch time I would easily rather take Luka. You can get the other surrounding pieces to make up for his defensive deficiencies.

Giannis is a great defensive tool no doubt but that roster is full of great athletes and defenders and Lopez is maybe the leading DPOY. They would still be more than fine on defense if you swapped Giannis for Luka.

Lmao lack of bag in playoff crunch time? Even tho Giannis has now added one of the most respectable mid range shots in the game. The only defense to Giannis is collapsing multiple defenders on him and hoping that his shooter bricks the 3. If you really believe Luka is a more valuable piece than Giannis… all the best to you.

I'm sorry what?

do the research yourself and see who has the highest fg% from mid-range, you'll be surprised

[One Last Shot]

Lmao lack of bag in playoff crunch time? Even tho Giannis has now added one of the most respectable mid range shots in the game. The only defense to Giannis is collapsing multiple defenders on him and hoping that his shooter bricks the 3. If you really believe Luka is a more valuable piece than Giannis… all the best to you.

I'm sorry what?

do the research yourself and see who has the highest fg% from mid-range, you'll be surprised

I actually check and this is what I found and he's horrible outside of 5 ft. shot attempt like he always does. What website should I check to get the more accurate shooting of Giannis in mid-range?


Giannis Shot-selection for 2022-2023 Season

Less than 5 ft. - 556/778(71.5%)
5-9 ft. - 25/106(23.6%)
10-14 ft. - 27/81(33.3%)
15-19 ft. - 50/133(37.6%)
20-24 ft. - 5/23(21.7%)
25-29 ft. - 44/154(28.6%)
30-34 ft. - 0/3(0%)

Outside 5 ft. FG - 151/500(30.2%)

[Wolfgang630]

I'm sorry what?

do the research yourself and see who has the highest fg% from mid-range, you'll be surprised

I actually check and this is what I found and he's horrible outside of 5 ft. shot attempt like he always does. What website should I check to get the more accurate shooting of Giannis in mid-range?


Giannis Shot-selection for 2022-2023 Season

Less than 5 ft. - 556/778(71.5%)
5-9 ft. - 25/106(23.6%)
10-14 ft. - 27/81(33.3%)
15-19 ft. - 50/133(37.6%)
20-24 ft. - 5/23(21.7%)
25-29 ft. - 44/154(28.6%)
30-34 ft. - 0/3(0%)

Outside 5 ft. FG - 151/500(30.2%)

Oof that’s really bad

[suursahuri]

Lmao lack of bag in playoff crunch time? Even tho Giannis has now added one of the most respectable mid range shots in the game. The only defense to Giannis is collapsing multiple defenders on him and hoping that his shooter bricks the 3. If you really believe Luka is a more valuable piece than Giannis… all the best to you.

I'm sorry what?

do the research yourself and see who has the highest fg% from mid-range, you'll be surprised

Giannis has shot .329 from 8 to 16 feet and .361 from 16 to 24 feet.

[Exp0sed]

do the research yourself and see who has the highest fg% from mid-range, you'll be surprised

I actually check and this is what I found and he's horrible outside of 5 ft. shot attempt like he always does. What website should I check to get the more accurate shooting of Giannis in mid-range?


Giannis Shot-selection for 2022-2023 Season

Less than 5 ft. - 556/778(71.5%)
5-9 ft. - 25/106(23.6%)
10-14 ft. - 27/81(33.3%)
15-19 ft. - 50/133(37.6%)
20-24 ft. - 5/23(21.7%)
25-29 ft. - 44/154(28.6%)
30-34 ft. - 0/3(0%)

Outside 5 ft. FG - 151/500(30.2%)

Oof that’s really bad

it is, but we all know that Giannis can't shoot
I mean if he could shoot he'd probably a GOAT candidate, you can't have it all :0

fwiw, 778/1278 of his FGA's this season have been from 5 ft. or less which makes those %'s less of an issue

[bebopdeluxe]

I'm sorry what?

do the research yourself and see who has the highest fg% from mid-range, you'll be surprised

I actually check and this is what I found and he's horrible outside of 5 ft. shot attempt like he always does. What website should I check to get the more accurate shooting of Giannis in mid-range?


Giannis Shot-selection for 2022-2023 Season

Less than 5 ft. - 556/778(71.5%)
5-9 ft. - 25/106(23.6%)
10-14 ft. - 27/81(33.3%)
15-19 ft. - 50/133(37.6%)
20-24 ft. - 5/23(21.7%)
25-29 ft. - 44/154(28.6%)
30-34 ft. - 0/3(0%)

Outside 5 ft. FG - 151/500(30.2%)

Ooohhh - those pesky FACTS. I was going to call BS on that statement as well. Thanks for the statistics.