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Re: Game 80. Tankards at Hawks 

Post#41 » by Dat2U » Thu Apr 6, 2023 4:39 pm

doclinkin wrote:Watching the scrappy back-ups out there reminds me how I do like this squad.

Yeah we are undertalented and lack mismatches in our favor, but the attitude and character of the team are likable.

Goodwin, Jackson, Johnny D, they give good energy at both ends every minute they are out there.
Kispert coming on late, working on his on-ball offense, has maintained impossible efficiency despite the uptick in usage.
Johnny D with a slow rolling start but not crashing out or quitting is both predictable given his history and a really good sign.
The peripheral role players like Gill and Huff seem like genuinely good guys, both willing defenders from a program known for it. Huff won the G-League defensive player of the league this year. We haven't seen him much but he seems like a potentially decent back-up at the stretch 5 spot.

Of the sometime starters KP is easy to cheer for.
Morris is smoothly efficient. Wright is a plus minus hero.
Gafford has one significant fixable flaw in his game. (Jumpy feet on screens).
Kuzma's biggest flaw is his volatile variability. That is he is consistently inconsistent. Sometimes he plays like the player he thinks he is, on those nights he's impressive. But he's always talking with teammates and gives good effort on the boards every night, seems like a solid team player, or at least he wants to be. His TO's result from trying to lead the squad.
The biggest critique Deni gets is that he can be too much of a team player, and despite star potential he hasn't found his inner alpha dog.

I dunno. Hope is always the curse and achilles heel the devout Wiz fan, but I feel like with better/more efficient play from the Kuzma minutes we could be a tough team for the top teams to meet on any given night. The guys are scrappy good character with good heart and easy to root for.

Curse you Ted Leonsis and your mediocre and diabolical plan.

Mediocabal? Diabolocre?


My days of supporting the loveable losers are long over. Surely I want guys here to develop and be the best players they can be but I'm under no false hope that this group is capable of doing anything but losing the vast majority of its games. Mediocrity would be an achievement for this bunch. I'm sure Shepp thought to himself how much he likes his undertalented and underskilled group of 'try hards' but there's no overachieving going on here. This team fought like tooth & nail to win every game for 70 games and found themselves at the dead bottom of the non-tanking teams. They stink and being bad is not lovable... at least not to me.
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Re: Game 80. Tankards at Hawks 

Post#42 » by DCZards » Thu Apr 6, 2023 4:54 pm

doclinkin wrote:
I dunno. Hope is always the curse and achilles heel of the devout Wiz fan, but I feel like with better/more efficient play from the Kuzma minutes we could be a tough team for the top teams to meet on any given night. The guys are scrappy good character with good heart and easy to root for.

IMO, that really is one of the big questions for the Zards going forward. Assuming he's resigned, can (or will) Kuz take on a lesser role where he doesn't handle the ball as much (fewer turnovers) and doesn't take a ton of ill-advised shots (better efficiency)?

If he can do those things, Kuz can be a helpful, winning player given his ability to score in a variety of ways, rebound reasonably well, play decent D, and lead both on and off the court.
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Re: Game 80. Tankards at Hawks 

Post#43 » by NatP4 » Thu Apr 6, 2023 5:06 pm

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doclinkin wrote:
I dunno. Hope is always the curse and achilles heel of the devout Wiz fan, but I feel like with better/more efficient play from the Kuzma minutes we could be a tough team for the top teams to meet on any given night. The guys are scrappy good character with good heart and easy to root for.

IMO, that really is one of the big questions for the Zards going forward. Assuming he's resigned, can (or will) Kuz take on a lesser role where he doesn't handle the ball as much (fewer turnovers) and doesn't take a ton of ill-advised shots (better efficiency)?

If he can do those things, Kuz can be a helpful, winning player given his ability to score in a variety of ways, rebound reasonably well, play decent D, and lead both on and off the court.


Why would that happen? And even if that did happen, he’s not going to be worth 20 mill/year.

If Rui could learn how to defend, develop a motor, learn how to see the court and pass to open people, he would’ve helped too. It’s not happening.

Kuzma needs to go, but I strongly doubt that will be the case. He’s led the team in minutes for a reason. Wes&Tommy think the world of him as a player. It’s just an organization that is misevaluating a player and the team as a whole.
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Re: Game 80. Tankards at Hawks 

Post#44 » by bsilver » Thu Apr 6, 2023 5:08 pm

miller31time wrote:Challenging a foul call and having the verdict not only confirming the foul but UPGRADING it to a flagrant-1 is quite possibly the most #sowizards thing I’ve ever seen.

It looked to me that Young landed inside the 3 point line. Maybe that doesn’t matter? The defender has to let the shooter land regardless of where he jumps?
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Re: Game 80. Tankards at Hawks 

Post#45 » by CntOutSmrtCrazy » Thu Apr 6, 2023 5:14 pm

Much needed loss, and we are tied with Orlando and Indy for 6th best odds. MIA should be another loss, and I think we can out tank HOU in our last game.

Rooting for a POR win tonight @SA, probably won't happen though.
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Re: Game 80. Tankards at Hawks 

Post#46 » by The Consiglieri » Thu Apr 6, 2023 5:22 pm

Dat2U wrote:
doclinkin wrote:Watching the scrappy back-ups out there reminds me how I do like this squad.

Yeah we are undertalented and lack mismatches in our favor, but the attitude and character of the team are likable.

Goodwin, Jackson, Johnny D, they give good energy at both ends every minute they are out there.
Kispert coming on late, working on his on-ball offense, has maintained impossible efficiency despite the uptick in usage.
Johnny D with a slow rolling start but not crashing out or quitting is both predictable given his history and a really good sign.
The peripheral role players like Gill and Huff seem like genuinely good guys, both willing defenders from a program known for it. Huff won the G-League defensive player of the league this year. We haven't seen him much but he seems like a potentially decent back-up at the stretch 5 spot.

Of the sometime starters KP is easy to cheer for.
Morris is smoothly efficient. Wright is a plus minus hero.
Gafford has one significant fixable flaw in his game. (Jumpy feet on screens).
Kuzma's biggest flaw is his volatile variability. That is he is consistently inconsistent. Sometimes he plays like the player he thinks he is, on those nights he's impressive. But he's always talking with teammates and gives good effort on the boards every night, seems like a solid team player, or at least he wants to be. His TO's result from trying to lead the squad.
The biggest critique Deni gets is that he can be too much of a team player, and despite star potential he hasn't found his inner alpha dog.

I dunno. Hope is always the curse and achilles heel the devout Wiz fan, but I feel like with better/more efficient play from the Kuzma minutes we could be a tough team for the top teams to meet on any given night. The guys are scrappy good character with good heart and easy to root for.

Curse you Ted Leonsis and your mediocre and diabolical plan.

Mediocabal? Diabolocre?


My days of supporting the loveable losers are long over. Surely I want guys here to develop and be the best players they can be but I'm under no false hope that this group is capable of doing anything but losing the vast majority of its games. Mediocrity would be an achievement for this bunch. I'm sure Shepp thought to himself how much he likes his undertalented and underskilled group of 'try hards' but there's no overachieving going on here. This team fought like tooth & nail to win every game for 70 games and found themselves at the dead bottom of the non-tanking teams. They stink and being bad is not lovable... at least not to me.


The front office has been completely deluded about the roster and potential of the team going back to post Wall shower slip days. Absolutely deluded. "If only ------ hadn't gotten injured" as if other teams didn't also deal with injuries. The perpetual finished year after year for half a decade post Wall injury in that 8th-12th in the East zone told you all you needed to know. The East sucked for most of that era and we were still utterly irrelevant no matter what happened. They then added third and fourth tier pieces around the edges, drafted role players at best, and we are exactly what we were five years ago, ----. No surprise. You are either tanking, building to contend, or contending. We haven't been doing any of those three things since like 2018. Instead, we've been drowning in shallow water.

It's been absolutely absurd, and again, I'd trade our draft pick for future picks rather than saddle it w/this roster, and Beal's absurd contract. We aint doing ---- for the next four years anyway, so might as well move current assets for '26 and beyond assets instead.
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Re: Game 80. Tankards at Hawks 

Post#47 » by Frichuela » Thu Apr 6, 2023 5:24 pm

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doclinkin wrote:Watching the scrappy back-ups out there reminds me how I do like this squad.

Yeah we are undertalented and lack mismatches in our favor, but the attitude and character of the team are likable.

Goodwin, Jackson, Johnny D, they give good energy at both ends every minute they are out there.
Kispert coming on late, working on his on-ball offense, has maintained impossible efficiency despite the uptick in usage.
Johnny D with a slow rolling start but not crashing out or quitting is both predictable given his history and a really good sign.
The peripheral role players like Gill and Huff seem like genuinely good guys, both willing defenders from a program known for it. Huff won the G-League defensive player of the league this year. We haven't seen him much but he seems like a potentially decent back-up at the stretch 5 spot.

Of the sometime starters KP is easy to cheer for.
Morris is smoothly efficient. Wright is a plus minus hero.
Gafford has one significant fixable flaw in his game. (Jumpy feet on screens).
Kuzma's biggest flaw is his volatile variability. That is he is consistently inconsistent. Sometimes he plays like the player he thinks he is, on those nights he's impressive. But he's always talking with teammates and gives good effort on the boards every night, seems like a solid team player, or at least he wants to be. His TO's result from trying to lead the squad.
The biggest critique Deni gets is that he can be too much of a team player, and despite star potential he hasn't found his inner alpha dog.

I dunno. Hope is always the curse and achilles heel of the devout Wiz fan, but I feel like with better/more efficient play from the Kuzma minutes we could be a tough team for the top teams to meet on any given night. The guys are scrappy good character with good heart and easy to root for.

Curse you Ted Leonsis and your mediocre and diabolical plan.

Mediocabal? Diabolocre?


I like how Kuz, Monte, and KP are sitting right up with the coaches on the bench and coaching/encouraging these guys up.


Agreed...and the question is: where is Brad sitting meanwhile?? I've noticed that on a couple of occasions he is not in that spot...but maybe I am wrong and is the "hater" in me :lol:
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Re: Game 80. Tankards at Hawks 

Post#48 » by FAH1223 » Thu Apr 6, 2023 5:27 pm

Frichuela wrote:
Agreed...and the question is: where is Brad sitting meanwhile?? I've noticed that on a couple of occasions he is not in that spot...but maybe I am wrong and is the "hater" in me :lol:


He and Delon are in the cut all the way at the end.
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Re: Game 80. Tankards at Hawks 

Post#49 » by Frichuela » Thu Apr 6, 2023 5:31 pm

FAH1223 wrote:
Frichuela wrote:
Agreed...and the question is: where is Brad sitting meanwhile?? I've noticed that on a couple of occasions he is not in that spot...but maybe I am wrong and is the "hater" in me :lol:


He and Delon are in the cut all the way at the end.


Interesting...
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Re: Game 80. Tankards at Hawks 

Post#50 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Apr 6, 2023 5:44 pm

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Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Tank goodness.



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Thanks.

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Re: Game 80. Tankards at Hawks 

Post#51 » by Kanyewest » Thu Apr 6, 2023 5:52 pm

80sballboy wrote:Despite the late tanking, we're probably looking at a 6th pick at best, barring rare good luck. I can't see us losing to Houston on Sunday unless they also rest Kispert and/or Gafford but I don't see them doing that at home. Orlando has Cleveland tomorrow at home, at Brooklyn and at Miami. Can they win one of those games? Maybe but I don't see two unless one or two of them rest their players, which is possible.

It's actually somewhat enjoyable watching guys you know will probably never be starters, but could be rotation players like Huff and Quentin Jackson. Johnny has a ways to go, but six months ago, he was barely a G-League player. He has come a long way and needs to get stronger, improve his handle and jumper. I like Huff's BB IQ. Also, needs to get stronger, but he could at least make the roster next season, if not battle for backup 5 minutes.


The Rockets have actually won more games than the Wizards since March 17 and since KP has decided to sit- the Wizards haven't won a single game. I would actually consider the Rockets a slight favorite especially since they have no tank incentive to play for. But perhaps the Wizards are due for a strange win like the Rockets had against the Nuggets a few days ago.
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Re: Game 80. Tankards at Hawks 

Post#52 » by NatP4 » Thu Apr 6, 2023 5:57 pm

I personally don’t think the front office is delusional, I think Tommy was just hired to be a master of the PR, and the goal is simply nowhere close to winning a championship or building a contender. I think the team is aiming for a feel good group of high character guys trying hard and in a perfect world, maybe a tough 2nd round exit. Even better if someone like KP gets injured in game 4 or 5 so they have a built in excuse to run it back pfor the next year.

The challenge is to trick the fans/media into thinking that the goal is a championship.
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Re: Game 80. Tankards at Hawks 

Post#53 » by Jay81 » Thu Apr 6, 2023 9:00 pm

Orlando is benching all 5 starters. Super disappointing
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Re: Game 80. Tankards at Hawks 

Post#54 » by Frichuela » Thu Apr 6, 2023 9:49 pm

Jay81 wrote:Orlando is benching all 5 starters. Super disappointing


The race to the bottom is intense...Here is to hoping the Rockets (who have nothing to lose) beat us on Sunday!
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Post#55 » by The Consiglieri » Thu Apr 6, 2023 10:59 pm

Should be a lesson to the ----ing NBA, if any league needed to have a draft lottery that rewards teams that are hopeless, it's the NBA, which is so transformative for teams when they actually land super talents, especially considering that its virtually impossible to attract free agents to a good 50-70% of the league's cities. The fact that they've punished tanking is incomprehensibly stupid. What are teams like Orlando, Indiana, Detroit, Milwaukee (once the stud leaves), Charlotte etc supposed to do? It's not like anyone wants to live in the vast bulk of these cities, they aren't attractive and most of them have little competitive history either. You have to have tanking to give them any chance at all. Instead they punish tanking so what happens: teams ignore the punishment and keep tanking because they know they aren't pulling FA's, and are likely to lose their best young talents when they reach FA eventually either via FA or via trade demands.

It's so stupid, so very stupid. Until like a week or two ago you had nearly 1/3 of the league tanking. Well, NBA, your plan didn't work, everyone's still tanking, it's just within a less fair or reasonable system. Congrats.
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Re: Game 80. Tankards at Hawks 

Post#56 » by Jay81 » Fri Apr 7, 2023 1:10 am

i think if you dont make the playoffs---you should have an equal chance of winning the lottery. I wonder if that would stop the tanking. a 22 win team would have the same shot as a 39 team win. Also, if you finish in the top 3 or 4 of the lottery, you cant get a top 3 or 4 pick the next year.

there has to be some ways!
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Re: Game 80. Tankards at Hawks 

Post#57 » by penbeast0 » Fri Apr 7, 2023 2:03 am

The Consiglieri wrote:... No surprise. You are either tanking, building to contend, or contending. We haven't been doing any of those three things since like 2018. Instead, we've been drowning in shallow water.

It's been absolutely absurd, and again, I'd trade our draft pick for future picks rather than saddle it w/this roster, and Beal's absurd contract. We aint doing ---- for the next four years anyway, so might as well move current assets for '26 and beyond assets instead.


Actually we haven't been doing any of those things since 1984. Otherwise every year we bring is some solid vet types that are supposed to get us into the #8 playoff spot. We did get out of the 1st round a couple of times but none of those teams could have been considered true contenders.
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Re: Game 80. Tankards at Hawks 

Post#58 » by NatP4 » Fri Apr 7, 2023 2:23 am

LOL blazers blew a 9 point lead with 5 minutes left.

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