Re: Trade Talk (Part Twelve): 2023 Playoff Push Edition

[Domejandro]

To be clear, even though I made an edgy joke about trading Towns, Minnesota absolutely shouldn’t trade him for a mediocre/longterm package. It would have to be structured around a win-now deal.

He’s a great player, despite how frustrating his play is, at times.

[karch34]

To be clear, even though I made an edgy joke about trading Towns, Minnesota absolutely shouldn’t trade him for a mediocre/longterm package. It would have to be structured around a win-now deal.

He’s a great player, despite how frustrating his play is, at times.

Maybe not totally win now since that kind of move has caused a lot of last year’s luster and promise to feel like it’s diminished.

[m2002brian]

Even as frustrating of a season it been with the basically 500 record. It was so much better watching them play w/o KAT. Everyone just plays harder.

[younggunsmn]

To be clear, even though I made an edgy joke about trading Towns, Minnesota absolutely shouldn’t trade him for a mediocre/longterm package. It would have to be structured around a win-now deal.

He’s a great player, despite how frustrating his play is, at times.

Win now? Plan for the Future?
Why not both?
I know he's not Durant, but BRK got win-now players as the salary filler in Dinwiddie and Finney-Smith along with the "Gobert Platter" of picks and 2 young studs in Johnson and Bridges.
Take Johnson and Bridges out of that deal, is KAT worth the rest of that package?
Dinwiddie is a stud and even over 30, has got to have at least 3-4 more good years left.
I would LOVE Conley and Dinwiddie in the backcourt with Ant, our bench guard depth is currently our most obvious glaring hole.

The thing that gets me upset about Towns is that your best players should be the guys who are always in the right position doing the right thing, making the right play, taking the right shot, making the right rotation.
KAT has never been that guy and it's only gotten worse as the years have gone on.
And one has to wonder if he's physically regressed a bit too with all the injuries the last few years.
He certainly looks a half step slower.
At what point do you decide to move on from the guy with all the talent and all the numbers who just doesn't help you win.
The Mavs did that with Porzingis, and they were better for a while before they lost Brunson.
Now they are worse. But they didn't get any draft capital and took on a bad contract to get Dinwiddie.


If I get an offer with a good starter who fits and really good draft capital/young players, I'd really consider it this offseason.

[Note30]

To be clear, even though I made an edgy joke about trading Towns, Minnesota absolutely shouldn’t trade him for a mediocre/longterm package. It would have to be structured around a win-now deal.

He’s a great player, despite how frustrating his play is, at times.

Win now? Plan for the Future?
Why not both?
I know he's not Durant, but BRK got win-now players as the salary filler in Dinwiddie and Finney-Smith along with the "Gobert Platter" of picks and 2 young studs in Johnson and Bridges.
Take Johnson and Bridges out of that deal, is KAT worth the rest of that package?
Dinwiddie is a stud and even over 30, has got to have at least 3-4 more good years left.
I would LOVE Conley and Dinwiddie in the backcourt with Ant, our bench guard depth is currently our most obvious glaring hole.

The thing that gets me upset about Towns is that your best players should be the guys who are always in the right position doing the right thing, making the right play, taking the right shot, making the right rotation.
KAT has never been that guy and it's only gotten worse as the years have gone on.
And one has to wonder if he's physically regressed a bit too with all the injuries the last few years.
He certainly looks a half step slower.
At what point do you decide to move on from the guy with all the talent and all the numbers who just doesn't help you win.
The Mavs did that with Porzingis, and they were better for a while before they lost Brunson.
Now they are worse. But they didn't get any draft capital and took on a bad contract to get Dinwiddie.


If I get an offer with a good starter who fits and really good draft capital/young players, I'd really consider it this offseason.

I don't know if I feel comfortable with that tbh. Our picks are gone in the years this year, 2025, 2027, 2029. It depends on the starter the trajectory it would set us on and how likely we are to fare in those years. Ideally as amazing as possible.

[younggunsmn]

Those picks are a sunk cost, they are gone no matter how well we do in those years.
It just makes the trade look worse if they end up better.

I would want a starter with a few years of team control to stabilize the present because we would be giving up 5 years of KAT, but we would also be shedding 5 years of his 50+ mil salary which would help give us room to supplement our core under the supertax when we could instead have 4 players making 170+ million dollars as early as '24-'25.

[DaMplsKid]

So I am sure everyone is talking about trading Towns or not. I am currently in the trade him camp and the two teams I would look at are the Nets and the Cavs.

Nets is his home town team and would give them a star. There roster is missing a Star player I think they have a lot of very good players but not the #1 type of guy. There owner loves to make big moves and his star players. Not sure what a package would look like but Mikal Bridges has to be included or it's a non starter for me. Ant, Bridges, McDaniels would give us some crazy 2 way players to build around. He is a great complimentary player.

Cavs are already in a win now mode once they traded for Mitchell. I think they will fall short in the playoffs to the 76ers or Boston. Again not sure of the package but Evan Mobley has to be included or it's a non starter. He doesn't help stretch the floor like Towns does but his defensive flexibility makes him a very good big in multiple line up. They don't have the draft picks to add to the trade but LeVert or Okoro could make great additions.

[Klomp]

So I am sure everyone is talking about trading Towns or not. I am currently in the trade him camp and the two teams I would look at are the Nets and the Cavs.

Nets is his home town team and would give them a star. There roster is missing a Star player I think they have a lot of very good players but not the #1 type of guy. There owner loves to make big moves and his star players. Not sure what a package would look like but Mikal Bridges has to be included or it's a non starter for me. Ant, Bridges, McDaniels would give us some crazy 2 way players to build around. He is a great complimentary player.

Cavs are already in a win now mode once they traded for Mitchell. I think they will fall short in the playoffs to the 76ers or Boston. Again not sure of the package but Evan Mobley has to be included or it's a non starter. He doesn't help stretch the floor like Towns does but his defensive flexibility makes him a very good big in multiple line up. They don't have the draft picks to add to the trade but LeVert or Okoro could make great additions.

I'm glad to see someone looking at a big picture of not only what we want in return, but what teams would want and/or need Towns the most and would be willing to pony up for him.

Regarding both of your "non-starters," I'm actually not sure if either team would be willing to include them. So we might need to find more teams...

One team that has an interesting mix between young and old could be Toronto. Another that could possibly create an interesting package is Chicago.

[shrink]

If I ran the Nets, I would not give up assets for a star like Towns; I would hope to clear cap space and hope stars want to come play in BRK as a free agent destination. If they use a few of those assets they got by trading Kyrie and Durant to move Ben Simmons final season, they would clear enough cap space to let two stars come together there in free agency - and keep all their trade assets.

People often say, “Poor Nets” when Kyrie and KD wanted to move on, but remember - they got these guys for CAP SPACE. No chance MIN would get a return like the following for their cap space.

The Nets may have missed a chance at a ring, but they already won when Durant and Kyrie chose to join their team.

NETS GIVE:

Cap Space


NETS GET:

Mikal Bridges
Cameron Johnson
Spencer Dinwiddie
Dorian Finney-Smith
Juan Pablo Vaulet

2023 first-round pick (from Phoenix)
2025 first-round pick (from Phoenix)
2027 first-round pick (from Phoenix)
2027 second-round pick (from Dallas)
2028 first-round pick swap (from Phoenix)
2028 second-round pick (from Milwaukee)
2029 first-round pick (from Dallas)
2029 first-round pick (from Phoenix
2029 second-round pick (from Milwaukee)
2029 second round-pick (from Dallas)

Here’s the advantage of being a free agent destination - a return 25 NBA teams could never dream of for their cap space.

[Neeva]

If this was Kat coming off an all nba season I could see Mobley being on the table but now not so much.

I think wolves should take a gamble and send Kat for number 2 pick. While there is a chance that Scoot won’t be as good as Kat, he also might be the perfect young PG to learn from Conley and form a star trio with Ant and Jaden.

[Note30]

If this was Kat coming off an all nba season I could see Mobley being on the table but now not so much.

I think wolves should take a gamble and send Kat for number 2 pick. While there is a chance that Scoot won’t be as good as Kat, he also might be the perfect young PG to learn from Conley and form a star trio with Ant and Jaden.

Why would they make that trade? Towns makes no sense for the team with the #2 pick unless it's the Thunder, and I wouldn't do that if I was Presti.

Also if he's a bust we're **** for 3 years on and off.

[Klomp]

If this was Kat coming off an all nba season I could see Mobley being on the table but now not so much.

I think wolves should take a gamble and send Kat for number 2 pick. While there is a chance that Scoot won’t be as good as Kat, he also might be the perfect young PG to learn from Conley and form a star trio with Ant and Jaden.

Why would they make that trade? Towns makes no sense for the team with the #2 pick unless it's the Thunder, and I wouldn't do that if I was Presti.

Also if he's a bust we're **** for 3 years on and off.

Portland might...

[Neeva]

If this was Kat coming off an all nba season I could see Mobley being on the table but now not so much.

I think wolves should take a gamble and send Kat for number 2 pick. While there is a chance that Scoot won’t be as good as Kat, he also might be the perfect young PG to learn from Conley and form a star trio with Ant and Jaden.

Why would they make that trade? Towns makes no sense for the team with the #2 pick unless it's the Thunder, and I wouldn't do that if I was Presti.

Also if he's a bust we're **** for 3 years on and off.

Portland might...

Also Charlotte or Detriot. They have their pgs already and are sick of losing. Maybe Houston if they get Harden.

[Note30]

If this was Kat coming off an all nba season I could see Mobley being on the table but now not so much.

I think wolves should take a gamble and send Kat for number 2 pick. While there is a chance that Scoot won’t be as good as Kat, he also might be the perfect young PG to learn from Conley and form a star trio with Ant and Jaden.

Why would they make that trade? Towns makes no sense for the team with the #2 pick unless it's the Thunder, and I wouldn't do that if I was Presti.

Also if he's a bust we're **** for 3 years on and off.

Portland might...

I think given the serious discussions they are going to have I wouldn't be surprised if they traded Dame.

[Klomp]

I think given the serious discussions they are going to have I wouldn't be surprised if they traded Dame.

It's certainly on the table. But having a high pick to use as a bargaining chip to bring him some help should be as well. While different situations, in some ways I'd equate it to Cleveland using the top pick as a trade tool to help recruit LeBron back home. Portland doesn't necessarily have to recruit Dame, but they do have to make moves that will help the team's success and keep him satisfied with staying. Keeping the draft pick, I think only Victor would serve that purpose.

I don't know about the relationship between Dame and Simon, but honestly I'd make Fake Ant available in trade talks too if that's what it takes to bring Lillard help.

[Klomp]

Also Charlotte or Detriot. They have their pgs already and are sick of losing. Maybe Houston if they get Harden.

Nah, I don't think any of those team would pursue it or have a chance to get Towns.

[BlacJacMac]

So I am sure everyone is talking about trading Towns or not. I am currently in the trade him camp and the two teams I would look at are the Nets and the Cavs.

Nets is his home town team and would give them a star. There roster is missing a Star player I think they have a lot of very good players but not the #1 type of guy. There owner loves to make big moves and his star players. Not sure what a package would look like but Mikal Bridges has to be included or it's a non starter for me. Ant, Bridges, McDaniels would give us some crazy 2 way players to build around. He is a great complimentary player.

Cavs are already in a win now mode once they traded for Mitchell. I think they will fall short in the playoffs to the 76ers or Boston. Again not sure of the package but Evan Mobley has to be included or it's a non starter. He doesn't help stretch the floor like Towns does but his defensive flexibility makes him a very good big in multiple line up. They don't have the draft picks to add to the trade but LeVert or Okoro could make great additions.

I'm pretty sure Bridges and Mobley would be non starters for the Nets and Cavs.

[sogood]

So I am sure everyone is talking about trading Towns or not. I am currently in the trade him camp and the two teams I would look at are the Nets and the Cavs.

Nets is his home town team and would give them a star. There roster is missing a Star player I think they have a lot of very good players but not the #1 type of guy. There owner loves to make big moves and his star players. Not sure what a package would look like but Mikal Bridges has to be included or it's a non starter for me. Ant, Bridges, McDaniels would give us some crazy 2 way players to build around. He is a great complimentary player.

Cavs are already in a win now mode once they traded for Mitchell. I think they will fall short in the playoffs to the 76ers or Boston. Again not sure of the package but Evan Mobley has to be included or it's a non starter. He doesn't help stretch the floor like Towns does but his defensive flexibility makes him a very good big in multiple line up. They don't have the draft picks to add to the trade but LeVert or Okoro could make great additions.

lmao Nets and Cavs wouldn't trade those players for Towns straight up.

[King Ken]

Man, I don't know how ya'll gonna move Gobert

[King Ken]

If I ran the Nets, I would not give up assets for a star like Towns; I would hope to clear cap space and hope stars want to come play in BRK as a free agent destination. If they use a few of those assets they got by trading Kyrie and Durant to move Ben Simmons final season, they would clear enough cap space to let two stars come together there in free agency - and keep all their trade assets.

People often say, “Poor Nets” when Kyrie and KD wanted to move on, but remember - they got these guys for CAP SPACE. No chance MIN would get a return like the following for their cap space.

The Nets may have missed a chance at a ring, but they already won when Durant and Kyrie chose to join their team.

NETS GIVE:

Cap Space


NETS GET:

Mikal Bridges
Cameron Johnson
Spencer Dinwiddie
Dorian Finney-Smith
Juan Pablo Vaulet

2023 first-round pick (from Phoenix)
2025 first-round pick (from Phoenix)
2027 first-round pick (from Phoenix)
2027 second-round pick (from Dallas)
2028 first-round pick swap (from Phoenix)
2028 second-round pick (from Milwaukee)
2029 first-round pick (from Dallas)
2029 first-round pick (from Phoenix
2029 second-round pick (from Milwaukee)
2029 second round-pick (from Dallas)

Here’s the advantage of being a free agent destination - a return 25 NBA teams could never dream of for their cap space.

Believe me, they won't. I don't even consider KAT tradable until the price is lowered. Mikal Bridges been looking great for Brooklyn and he's extremely reliable. They would love to add KAT but for Claxton and draft picks, not Bridges. I don't believe anyone would be interested in trading their key franchise players for KAT. They would want to add to their key players with KAT. Not remove them for KAT. I heard someone mention Toronto. Maybe something could be done for KAT using OG but zero chance they move Barnes. Adding KAT is to help Barnes

If you want a star in return, you gotta trade Ant. Teams will be willing to trade a star for Ant.