[Thinking Basketball] Is Jarred Vanderbilt the modern Rodman?

[hoosierdaddy34]

I love Vanderbilt but he’s no Rodman.

[Wallace_Wallace]

I guess Dennis Rodman was shutting down Nicolas Batum (went 1-7) against the Clippers last night? Unfortunately, guys like Gordon, Hyland, Mann, Powell and even Westbrook shot well. Before anyone comes at me with the back to back fatigue, he played 15 minutes against the Rockets, 18 minutes against the Jazz and 25 minutes last night in LA.

[The Laker Kid]

No! He's too well-behaved to be a modern Rodman.

[Calvin Klein]

Is Thinking Basketball the next Basketball Breakdown? Aka a channel that used to be great in quality but started to rapidly decline and it became pretty clear click bait videos were being cranked out to just get views and add money?

I think so.

Hopefully not. Bball breakdown was so great when it first started. Then it became just click bait.

[liquidswords]

Absolutely insane. Crap analysis in my opinion. Vanderbilt is more Pat Bev than Rodman. He's very risky defensively and honestly isn't that great of an on ball defender. He just creates chaos in passing lanes

[Harry Garris]

The majority opinion will be no because that's just how we are. How dare you compare a role player to someone that's considered an all time great!

But yeah, there are a ton of obvious similarities. Jarred Vanderbilt is a lesser (how much lesser is debatable) version of what Rodman would be in today's game. It's how a modern NBA system would use a super athletic guy who has incredible defensive versatility and rebounding instincts.

[DAWill1128]

I would say Draymond is more of the modern day Rodman in that he's one of the better players in the NBA without being used as a scoring option.

[Lockdown504090]

Plays on Timberwolves = Roleplayer

Plays on Lakers = Modern Dennis Rodman.


Good defender though, but ya'll for real?

he made a video about vanderbilt last year too. people just care more now.

[Lockdown504090]

Absolutely insane. Crap analysis in my opinion. Vanderbilt is more Pat Bev than Rodman. He's very risky defensively and honestly isn't that great of an on ball defender. He just creates chaos in passing lanes

what do you think a rodman playstyle would look like in todays game then? If rodman was playing now, he couldnt be physical like he was on defense and he couldnt clog the lane to get boards like he did then.

[Roy T]

There will never be a player even remotely comparable to Rodman.

[jazzfan1971]

New Kenneth Faried?

[liquidswords]

Absolutely insane. Crap analysis in my opinion. Vanderbilt is more Pat Bev than Rodman. He's very risky defensively and honestly isn't that great of an on ball defender. He just creates chaos in passing lanes

what do you think a rodman playstyle would look like in todays game then? If rodman was playing now, he couldnt be physical like he was on defense and he couldnt clog the lane to get boards like he did then.

It has more to do with the overrating of Vanderbilt defensively. He takes so many risks that he's constantly out of position. He should be a much better on ball defender. Also, because hes a tweener, he gets bullied around the rim with ease.

[Wallace_Wallace]

Absolutely insane. Crap analysis in my opinion. Vanderbilt is more Pat Bev than Rodman. He's very risky defensively and honestly isn't that great of an on ball defender. He just creates chaos in passing lanes

what do you think a rodman playstyle would look like in todays game then? If rodman was playing now, he couldnt be physical like he was on defense and he couldnt clog the lane to get boards like he did then.

It has more to do with the overrating of Vanderbilt defensively. He takes so many risks that he's constantly out of position. He should be a much better on ball defender. Also, because hes a tweener, he gets bullied around the rim with ease.

Mikel Bridges, OG Anunoby, Herb Jones, Josh Okogie & Draymond Green are more Dennis Rodman than Jarred Vanderbilt. Vanderbilt is a decent defender, but nothing like the worm or any of these guys I just mentioned.

For comparison, Jarred Vanderbilt is a less disciplined, less lengthier Tayshaun Prince, who is no slouch himself.

[Kobe187]

A slight similarity in hustle & effort, but that’s really about it.

[Doctor MJ]

Is Thinking Basketball the next Basketball Breakdown? Aka a channel that used to be great in quality but started to rapidly decline and it became pretty clear click bait videos were being cranked out to just get views and add money?

I think so.

So, I would actually say I think the Vanderbilt video is particularly awesome. I think people are mistaking this as a "Vanderbilt is going to be a legendary HOFer!" video when it's actually more of an analysis of what we'd expect Rodman to be like today, and I think the obvious thing people are tripping on is the rebounds...but I'd say anyone who think Rodman would rebound today like he did back when he played is not appreciating how drastically the game has changed.

Re: just get views and money. So, I'd point out a few things here:

1. There's something ironic about the idea that the path to views and money runs through a player like Vanderbilt - a journeyman role player on his 4th team in 5 years. Not saying it's false necessarily, but it's not exactly the obvious path.

2. It would be a bad business move for Ben to think in terms of short-term cash grabs given the reputation he's developed. I mean, his most recent podcast was with Stan Van Gundy where they went way more in depth on basketball tactics than you're going to get from someone like Zach Lowe. The "Thinking Basketball" niche is something that demands that he keeps being extremely intellectual about his approach. If he pivots away from that using the same brand, he probably loses his long-term following.

3. I'd just point out that any video along these lines takes many hours of work on top of the actual watching of basketball. When Ben does something like a Vanderbilt video then, he's doing it because he thinks the way Vanderbilt plays particularly is worth sharing. And I'll say he particularly enjoyed making it more so than most others.

[Braggins]

I grew up watching 90s basketball and I'm getting to the point where I think 90s heads have become some of the most annoying basketball fans out there.

[ANTETOKOUNBROS]

He is Jerome Williams

[VanWest82]

I grew up watching 90s basketball and I'm getting to the point where I think 90s heads have become some of the most annoying basketball fans out there.

Mid-late 90s basketball wasn't fun to watch. Early 90s was awesome. Lots of great players, lots of great teams. Pistons Rodman was a great defender who'd excel in any era. Comparing him to Vanderbilt is tough. Stylistically, the comp makes sense in the same way stylistically the comp makes sense with Steph and Jordan Poole.

[zimpy27]

Is Thinking Basketball the next Basketball Breakdown? Aka a channel that used to be great in quality but started to rapidly decline and it became pretty clear click bait videos were being cranked out to just get views and add money?

I think so.

Why do you think that?
Ben made videos on Vanderbilt on the Wolves.

There are a few similarities that warrant the comp. 80s Rodman was a wing defender who had an uncanny ability to get boards. Vando is probably the best comp.weve seen since Rodman.

[70sFan]

Is Thinking Basketball the next Basketball Breakdown? Aka a channel that used to be great in quality but started to rapidly decline and it became pretty clear click bait videos were being cranked out to just get views and add money?

I think so.

So, I would actually say I think the Vanderbilt video is particularly awesome. I think people are mistaking this as a "Vanderbilt is going to be a legendary HOFer!" video when it's actually more of an analysis of what we'd expect Rodman to be like today, and I think the obvious thing people are tripping on is the rebounds...but I'd say anyone who think Rodman would rebound today like he did back when he played is not appreciating how drastically the game has changed.

Re: just get views and money. So, I'd point out a few things here:

1. There's something ironic about the idea that the path to views and money runs through a player like Vanderbilt - a journeyman role player on his 4th team in 5 years. Not saying it's false necessarily, but it's not exactly the obvious path.

2. It would be a bad business move for Ben to think in terms of short-term cash grabs given the reputation he's developed. I mean, his most recent podcast was with Stan Van Gundy where they went way more in depth on basketball tactics than you're going to get from someone like Zach Lowe. The "Thinking Basketball" niche is something that demands that he keeps being extremely intellectual about his approach. If he pivots away from that using the same brand, he probably loses his long-term following.

3. I'd just point out that any video along these lines takes many hours of work on top of the actual watching of basketball. When Ben does something like a Vanderbilt video then, he's doing it because he thinks the way Vanderbilt plays particularly is worth sharing. And I'll say he particularly enjoyed making it more so than most others.

I am afraid most people who complain in this thread didn't even watch the video...