The Official 2023 Draft Thread

NatP4 · Post #241 » by **NatP4** » Fri Apr 7, 2023 4:35 am

NatP4 · Post #242 » by **NatP4** » Fri Apr 7, 2023 5:07 am

The more film I watch, the less I like the Thompson twins and Scoot. I just don’t see how any of them can be true impact offensive players without a jumpshot. None of them are very good defensively.

The Thompson twins are literally just playing AAU ball. Neither of them really know how to play, they just put athlete everyone.

Scoot is pretty mediocre on defense and simply can’t shoot on O. He’s a good passer and drive and finish guy, but sometimes, he just looks like an athletic version of Ty Lawson. Still think he will be good, but it’s Wemby in tier 1 all by himself, then a massive gap, then Brandon Miller and Scoot. Thompson twins are just hard to project right now.

Podziemski is still the best guard in the draft in my mind.

Post #243 » by **Rafael122** » Fri Apr 7, 2023 5:09 pm

The amount of tanking we've been seeing for the past 2 weeks is what I expected to happen all year round. I forgot which tweet I saw but it was some team that basically said they wished they either tanked or had begun tanking earlier due to Victor. I feel like a lot of teams are going to feel this way down the line. Even if Detroit doesn't wind up with the first pick, they did what they needed to do to put themselves in contention to get a generational player.

doclinkin · Post #244 » by **doclinkin** » Fri Apr 7, 2023 10:29 pm

I like Brandin Podziemski alright with a late pick up. His on ball game is so smart, I think he could even develop into a nice playmaking big PG.

On defense though he will be fried so often he'll be Bacon Podziemski. He is savvy, he will adjust, he will learn to anticipate plays and work within a team scheme, but even in his defensive highlights he gets blown past with a flinch or destroyed by a weak screen and then has to scramble to block a guy from behind. I'm curious to see how it works out. I think he will torch the G-League and struggle when he moves up.

doclinkin · Post #245 » by **doclinkin** » Fri Apr 7, 2023 10:39 pm

Agreed with Nat on the intrigue of Bilal Coulibaly though. At 18 he is poised, skilled enough to move up from the junior team to play against the pros, has adjusted to a reduced role but still finds ways to contribute, especially on defense. Honestly I wish we could afford to pick him as a draft and stash prospect. He is advanced for his age but needs a little seasoning that I doubt he'd get in the NBA. Or on this team anyway. Work on his jumper and ballhandling for instance. He needs live ball reps PLUS a skills coach. Here he'd get less of either.

Dat2U · Post #246 » by **Dat2U** » Sat Apr 8, 2023 5:40 am

8th or 9th pick huh? This list always changes, lol.

1. G Anthony Black
2. F Gradey Dick
3. G Cason Wallace
4. F Brice Sensabaugh
5. F Taylor Hendricks
6. F Cam Whitmore
7. F Kris Murray
8. G Jordan Hawkins
9. C Dereck Lively
10. C Kyle Filipowski
11. F Leonard Miller

Kanyewest · Post #247 » by **Kanyewest** » Sat Apr 8, 2023 5:51 am

Determining the value of draft picks values

https://thedatajocks.com/nba-draft-pick-values/#:~:text=42%25%20of%20the%20win%20shares,exist%20in%20picks%2014%2D60.

NatP4 · Post #248 » by **NatP4** » Sat Apr 8, 2023 2:31 pm

doclinkin wrote:I like Brandin Podziemski alright with a late pick up. His on ball game is so smart, I think he could even develop into a nice playmaking big PG.

On defense though he will be fried so often he'll be Bacon Podziemski. He is savvy, he will adjust, he will learn to anticipate plays and work within a team scheme, but even in his defensive highlights he gets blown past with a flinch or destroyed by a weak screen and then has to scramble to block a guy from behind. I'm curious to see how it works out. I think he will torch the G-League and struggle when he moves up.

Agree with all of this. He reminds me of Steph Curry with his defense. He’s physically somewhat overmatched, but he’s very smart and savvy, and understands that he’s not some POA stopper. Alot of times he would intentionally direct his man into the help and go for the rebound instead of trying to contest.

Think he’ll be a smart team defender and closer to average on that end than people think.

On O, he’s one of those rare cases where he actually can beat you just with the jumpshot. Not a blow by guy, doesn’t break down the D much, but he can shoot and make shots from everywhere in any situation. Not to sound ridiculous, but he reminds me of Steph Curry on that end as well.

payitforward · Post #249 » by **payitforward** » Sat Apr 8, 2023 2:37 pm

Kanyewest wrote:Determining the value of draft picks values

https://thedatajocks.com/nba-draft-pick-values/#:~:text=42%25%20of%20the%20win%20shares,exist%20in%20picks%2014%2D60.

This is among the worst pieces of mathematical & statistical analysis I have ever read. It's stunningly bad. Jaw dropping.

When the real world utterly contravenes your results you go back & re-examine your methodology. Pathetic.

NatP4 · Post #250 » by **NatP4** » Sat Apr 8, 2023 2:39 pm

Dat2U wrote:8th or 9th pick huh? This list always changes, lol.

1. G Anthony Black
2. F Gradey Dick
3. G Cason Wallace
4. F Brice Sensabaugh
5. F Taylor Hendricks
6. F Cam Whitmore
7. F Kris Murray
8. G Jordan Hawkins
9. C Dereck Lively
10. C Kyle Filipowski
11. F Leonard Miller

I personally don’t want any player on this list. Hendricks is intriguing, Wallace will be solid. No one is worth a top 10 pick.

Much more interested in this list:

Brandon Podziemski
Bilal Coulibaly
Sidy Cissoko
Marcus Sasser
Markquis Nowell
Ryan Kalkbrenner
Noah Clowney
Adama Sanogo
Zach Edey

GoneShammGone · Post #251 » by **GoneShammGone** » Sat Apr 8, 2023 2:52 pm

payitforward wrote:
Kanyewest wrote:Determining the value of draft picks values

https://thedatajocks.com/nba-draft-pick-values/#:~:text=42%25%20of%20the%20win%20shares,exist%20in%20picks%2014%2D60.

This is among the worst pieces of mathematical & statistical analysis I have ever read. It's stunningly bad. Jaw dropping.

When the real world utterly contravenes your results you go back & re-examine your methodology. Pathetic.

Its funny because they start with the axiom: the value of picks can't *increase* as you go lower. But I could easily imagine a world where the value of picks does increase the lower you go: imagine that NBA teams are really bad at predicting future success. In that case, going lower would be helpful, since it lets your competitors make the biggest mistakes!

So yeah, everything in their analysis flows downhill from their initial axiom, despite evidence that their initial axiom might be wrong.

DCZards · Post #252 » by **DCZards** » Sat Apr 8, 2023 3:02 pm

Dat2U wrote:8th or 9th pick huh? This list always changes, lol.

1. G Anthony Black
2. F Gradey Dick
3. G Cason Wallace
4. F Brice Sensabaugh
5. F Taylor Hendricks
6. F Cam Whitmore
7. F Kris Murray
8. G Jordan Hawkins
9. C Dereck Lively
10. C Kyle Filipowski
11. F Leonard Miller

My fav right now on this list is Wallace.

I also like Hawkins a lot...his shooting is elite. He moves well without the ball (finding spots for open jumpers) and is exceptional at getting his shot off quickly and at a very high release point. Those things will translate well into the NBA. Hawkins has good size and length as well...should be a plus defender.

Hawkins will probably go late lottery or early teens...and outplay his draft position.

My deep sleeper this year is Penn St. PG Jalen Pickett. Great size, excellent rebound and assist #s, a decent 3pt shooter, and physically tough. Pickett is 23 years old and that will be a knock on him. So he'll probably go late second round or undrafted.

pcbothwel · Post #253 » by **pcbothwel** » Sat Apr 8, 2023 3:18 pm

I have Black in the Dejonte Murray, Barnes, Jrue model. He would be very interesting alongside Davis and Deni. Absolute terror defensively.

But the Forwards in the 5-12 range are really interesting. Whitmore, Walker, Hendricks are all intriguing.
Walker has a high 2-way upside, but I hate his inability to get to the rim and draw fouls. He is too big/strong/fast and his Comp too weak for that not to be better.

Hendricks is a safe bet as a 3 & D guy. Not great ball handling or IQ, but he'll block shots and shoot 3's. I would be more comfortable with him in the 12-15 range than 7-8.

Cam Whitmore has the highest upside and I think ends up as our pick if he's there. Tough, athletic, strong, local guy from a great program. He gets a bit of tunnel vision and trys to do too much, but everything else is great.
Size, functional athlete (Explosive, balanced, coordinated, quick laterally, strong), quick/strong hands, good shooting form. I see Jaylen Brown written all over this guy.

NatP4 · Post #254 » by **NatP4** » Sat Apr 8, 2023 4:14 pm

Black would be a decent upside play. Solid playmaking, great defense. He gets to the free throw line at a really good rate.

If you think the jumpshot will improve, he’s going to be a quality starter.

doclinkin · Post #255 » by **doclinkin** » Sat Apr 8, 2023 4:54 pm

DCZards wrote:
Dat2U wrote:8th or 9th pick huh? This list always changes, lol.

2. F Gradey Dick
5. F Taylor Hendricks
7. F Kris Murray
8. G Jordan Hawkins
10. C Kyle Filipowski

My fav right now on this list is Wallace.

I also like Hawkins a lot...his shooting is elite. He moves well without the ball (finding spots for open jumpers) and is exceptional at getting his shot off quickly and at a very high release point. Those things will translate well into the NBA. Hawkins will probably go late lottery or early teens but I expect him to outplay his draft position.

My favorite on the list is Tray Down, unless Trae Dupp is available and we can get Brandon Miller.

Cason, Black, I dunno. They shot poorly against their toughest competition.

I agree on Jordan Hawkins. He's a gamer. Hawkins tended to play better in his 2nd games against ranked competition and you rarely go wrong getting the best guard on the NCAA champion team since March Madness tends to be guard driven. Hawkins has improving stats with increased usage, a good sign. DeMatha kid so he is fundamentally sound. Not a flashy pick but this kid is a winner. I mean yeah, obviously.

SUPERBALLMAN · Post #256 » by **SUPERBALLMAN** » Sun Apr 9, 2023 1:52 am

I'm late to the game on this. I didn't watch nearly as much college ball as I usually do this year. I really only watched the Terps.

So, I'm starting off looking at some film of Black. The 1st player that comes to mind off the bat without much thought is Penny Hardaway.

But I'm just starting...

SUPERBALLMAN · Post #257 » by **SUPERBALLMAN** » Sun Apr 9, 2023 3:10 am

What I'm liking so far, looking at Black, Wallace, and Hood-Schifino... All 3 of them have good size and play serious D. Pass 1st and play hard.

TGW · Post #258 » by **TGW** » Sun Apr 9, 2023 3:36 am

doclinkin wrote:
DCZards wrote:
Dat2U wrote:8th or 9th pick huh? This list always changes, lol.

2. F Gradey Dick
5. F Taylor Hendricks
7. F Kris Murray
8. G Jordan Hawkins
10. C Kyle Filipowski

My fav right now on this list is Wallace.

I also like Hawkins a lot...his shooting is elite. He moves well without the ball (finding spots for open jumpers) and is exceptional at getting his shot off quickly and at a very high release point. Those things will translate well into the NBA. Hawkins will probably go late lottery or early teens but I expect him to outplay his draft position.

My favorite on the list is Tray Down, unless Trae Dupp is available and we can get Brandon Miller.

My dumbass actually started googling Tray Down.

Me: "Hmm...don't see him in tankathon. Let me try nbadraft.net." :banghead:

gambitx777 · Post #259 » by **gambitx777** » Sun Apr 9, 2023 7:31 pm

I think we can't go wrong with black, Smith Jr, or Wallace at 7. We have one or two seconds this year it's debatable weather we get that Boston pick this year or next. The mocks are all different. If we could snag. Podziemski and Bates in the second round I would be hella happy.

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SUPERBALLMAN · Post #260 » by **SUPERBALLMAN** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:47 am

Ok. I looked at the film of numerous prospects, focusing on PG.

Here's my early favorite for The Wizards...

Sidy Cissoko 6-7 PG GLeague Ignite (France)

NBA DRAFT ROOM: currently mocked at 18

He has a very solid frame and natural strength plus a solid 6-9+ wingspan.

Has big ability and upside on the defensive end and is able to guard 1-3, possibly even guarding the 4. Gives great effort on D. and this could be his calling card early in his NBA career.

A talented passer and play-maker who sees the floor well and has natural passing instincts. Looks very in control with the ball in his hands and does a good job of running an offense

Watch on YouTube

What I like.... Good kid, really loves his family, and father was a professional basketball player. Extensive professional experience in Europe and now Gleague, just turned 19. His size and length, his solid build and natural strength. His defense and his aggressiveness on D, the way he utilizes his length on D, his anticipation on D. His timing and ability to block shots. His IQ on both ends, his vision, his dynamic passing, his rebounding, his hustle. His team first mentality. The way he attacks the basket, his physicality, the way he seeks contact. His shot needs work but is soft, its not flat and stiff like a lot of these PG I see. He can finish with either hand, he can pass with either hand. He's just scratching the surface of his ability. Sure he has flaws, but they look fixable. He strikes me as a young man who gets it, he's humble and he's a worker, he wants to get better. He will do what the team needs him to do. He's playing out of position now for the Ignite and has adapted well to a new position and role, a new team, a new league, a new country. He is adaptable, he is versatile, and he is skilled. I'm calling it now, steal of this draft.