2023 Eastern Conference | Round 1 | (4) Cleveland Cavaliers VS. (5) New York Knicks (Knicks lead 3-1)

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Who wins Game 4?

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2
10%
Knicks
19
90%
 
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Post#21 » by djsunyc » Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:06 am

knicks bench better than cavs so we will see if depth matters in the playoffs, even if it's the 1st round. usually the answer is it doesnt. really need to go 8 deep but not sure if the cavs can even do that.
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Post#22 » by thierry » Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:13 am

Cavs in 5.
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Post#23 » by NiceLikeChrist » Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:52 am

I see a lot of folks still don’t know basketball around here. If randle is healthy this thing is over in 5 max for the Knicks.
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Post#24 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:57 am

Knicks in 6.


Cavs offense has struggled against the Knicks all season because IQ has clamped up Garland, they have no consistent 3rd scorer, and their frontcourt plays right into what Thibodeau actually does well scheming against.

Say what you will about the Knicks, but there's more guys on the Knicks that can score 20 on any given night.
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Post#25 » by neo515 » Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:12 am

NiceLikeChrist wrote:I see a lot of folks still don’t know basketball around here. If randle is healthy this thing is over in 5 max for the Knicks.


Randle is the easiest player to gameplan for and take out of a game perhaps in NBA history. Just make him go right and he'll self-destruct, possibly getting into a fight with his own teammates in the process. I see a lot of 3/14 and 4/19 shooting nights in his near future. Thibs can ride players in the regular season but the Knicks just don't have the talent to compete in the playoffs. That entire team is filled with busts and underachievers.
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Post#26 » by dakomish23 » Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:25 am

neo515 wrote:
NiceLikeChrist wrote:I see a lot of folks still don’t know basketball around here. If randle is healthy this thing is over in 5 max for the Knicks.


Randle is the easiest player to gameplan for and take out of a game perhaps in NBA history. Just make him go right and he'll self-destruct, possibly getting into a fight with his own teammates in the process. I see a lot of 3/14 and 4/19 shooting nights in his near future. Thibs can ride players in the regular season but the Knicks just don't have the talent to compete in the playoffs. That entire team is filled with busts and underachievers.


Brunson - 2nd rd pick
Robinson - 2nd rd pick
IQ - late first
Grimes - late first
Hart - late first

That’s 5 of the top 7 minute getters on the team that have significantly overachieved.

Randle is a bust? A lot of two time all star busts out there?

That’s 6.

The remaining 3 in the Knicks rotation is RJ Toppin & Hartenstein (who has also overachieved for a 2nd rd pick).

Toppin when played always shows out. He just has an all star in front of him & a coach who gives starters big minutes.

RJ isn’t a bust but he’s been inconsistent so that fits the definition enough for some. Go ahead claim that one if you want.

Think the cavs will run through them? Fine. But your statement lacks evidence to back it up
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Post#27 » by carlquincy » Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:48 am

7 game series. I think Cavs will inch out
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Post#28 » by ElectricMayhem » Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:51 am

NiceLikeChrist wrote:I see a lot of folks still don’t know basketball around here. If randle is healthy this thing is over in 5 max for the Knicks.


Congratulations on the superior intelligence and congratulations in advance for the 1st round victory.
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Post#29 » by ElectricMayhem » Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:55 am

I think Cleveland is the more talented team, but few of their main contributors are battle-tested in the playoffs. New York has a little more experience among players, and a lot more playoff experience for the coach. That evens things up a bit. Mobley on Randle will be a fun battle to watch. Curious to see what New York does to stop Cleveland's guards from scoring. I think Cleveland in 6.
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Post#30 » by FlatearthZorro » Mon Apr 10, 2023 8:02 am

Such interesting series. I'm hoping for great games and I'm gonna watch several of these matchups.
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Post#31 » by iggymcfrack » Mon Apr 10, 2023 8:30 am

Cavs in 5. They've been the better team all season, they have the 2 best players in the series and I don't think the Knicks will be able to match them in crunch time.
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Post#32 » by Johnny Tomala » Mon Apr 10, 2023 9:03 am

Cavaliers in 5.
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Post#33 » by AussieCeltic » Mon Apr 10, 2023 9:33 am

NiceLikeChrist wrote:I see a lot of folks still don’t know basketball around here. If randle is healthy this thing is over in 5 max for the Knicks.


Stop the press! We have the worlds most knowledgeable basketball fan right here.

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Post#34 » by DaGawd » Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:02 am

knicks in 5
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Post#35 » by Spree2Houston » Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:10 am

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Knicks beat Cavs 3-1 in season series. Their one win came from a 4th quarter comeback otherwise it’s a season sweep. Knicks match up very well with the Cavs. Grimes and IQ are about to shine.
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Post#36 » by Mak » Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:12 am

Would not be surprised if Knicks got swept but I could see this go 6. Knicks dont have a chance though.
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Post#37 » by Lost Angel » Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:55 am

dockingsched wrote:Now the playoffs are here and teams have time to plan, any competent team should be able to absolutely neuter Julius Randle, we’ll see.


I really want to see Julius Randle shine, would be an epic storyline. I agree with you though history has shown us that he can be completely neutralised.

But they have Brunson this time so let’s see what happens!
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Post#38 » by Kampuchea » Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:32 pm

Not even sure Randle is healthy to play, just got out of walking boot.
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Post#39 » by Sgt Major » Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:40 pm

I guess that would be too much hustle, but adding dates and starting time for at least the first four games would be cool.
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Post#40 » by bronxknicksfan1 » Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:19 pm

iggymcfrack wrote:Cavs in 5. They've been the better team all season, they have the 2 best players in the series and I don't think the Knicks will be able to match them in crunch time.


1. Cavs have the best player in the series. The Knicks have the next best 2. Randle and Brunson are both better than Garland.

2. Brunson was one of the best scorers in clutch time this year. Don’t think that’ll be an issue either.

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