Markelle Fultz

[tiderulz]

Fultz’s assist levels are fine. Per36 he’s basically the same as FVV. There’s not much separating them in PnR playmaking either. And this is off Fultz’s first healthy season in a long time as he’s just starting to enter his prime years.

Fultz and FVV are basically the same. Both champions, both elite defenders, both have highly repeatable shot which doesnt get changed based on opponent or time of the season, they are both low turnover players with 3-1 assist to turnover ratio, they are both heady playmakers well above 50 percentile in pick and roll action, they both space the floor with over 1 three a game.
We agreed they are basically same player so i would prefer to get FVV who is healthy for most of the season than Fultz who is healthy for last game of the season. We should trade Markelle to Rockets, then they will get eliminated sooner, and Fultz will get better maybe even in march.

when did anyone agree "they are the same player"? they are not to me. 1 three a game does not allow you to space the floor. and how is Fultz a "champion"?

[Audi]

Fultz’s assist levels are fine. Per36 he’s basically the same as FVV. There’s not much separating them in PnR playmaking either. And this is off Fultz’s first healthy season in a long time as he’s just starting to enter his prime years.

Fultz and FVV are basically the same. Both champions, both elite defenders, both have highly repeatable shot which doesnt get changed based on opponent or time of the season, they are both low turnover players with 3-1 assist to turnover ratio, they are both heady playmakers well above 50 percentile in pick and roll action, they both space the floor with over 1 three a game.
We agreed they are basically same player so i would prefer to get FVV who is healthy for most of the season than Fultz who is healthy for last game of the season. We should trade Markelle to Rockets, then they will get eliminated sooner, and Fultz will get better maybe even in march.

when did anyone agree "they are the same player"? they are not to me. 1 three a game does not allow you to space the floor. and how is Fultz a "champion"?

Looking at the source, it should all be green font.

[zaymon]

Fultz and FVV are basically the same. Both champions, both elite defenders, both have highly repeatable shot which doesnt get changed based on opponent or time of the season, they are both low turnover players with 3-1 assist to turnover ratio, they are both heady playmakers well above 50 percentile in pick and roll action, they both space the floor with over 1 three a game.
We agreed they are basically same player so i would prefer to get FVV who is healthy for most of the season than Fultz who is healthy for last game of the season. We should trade Markelle to Rockets, then they will get eliminated sooner, and Fultz will get better maybe even in march.

when did anyone agree "they are the same player"? they are not to me. 1 three a game does not allow you to space the floor. and how is Fultz a "champion"?

Looking at the source, it should all be green font.

Bingo.

You should check his games played. He made 69 this season and that’s the 2nd most since his sophomore season.

21-22 = 65
20-21= 52
19-20= 54
18-19= 64

He hasn’t got a track record for health, and neither does Fultz, but one is 4 years younger than the other.

Games played doesnt matter, i am answering to all of those that write that Fultz shot is back and he is fully healthy now. That was only for last game so if you think his shot is changed due to physical health that means he was fully healthy only for one game. If you think his shot was changed due to mental health problem he is propably still not healthy.

[VFX]

Pure assists are a bad stat. Look at some people above 6 apg and they are not good passers, just simply have the ball a lot. Fultz has a lot of issues but solid-level playmaking isn't one of them. Although I do notice in the clutch it does get a bit iffy.

I don’t know if we can agree on that.

Fultz does not run pick n roll offense. Statistically Franz is significantly better at it. Fultz can’t do it because he doesn’t shoot off the dribble in front of screens. His ‘playmaking’ is driving into the lane and hitting a collapsing defense. That’s it.

The problem isn’t necessarily Fultz scoring a bunch from 3. It’s that nobody respects him enough justifiably for the play to work. Both defenders would just drop back.

[Knightro]

Will basicly the same 6-0, 29 years old FVV play here for the same 17M or he will ask for 35-40M per?

How much do you think Fultz is going to ask for next summer if he starts the entire season on a team that makes the playoffs?

It's gonna be a lot more than $17M per season.

[Nyce_1]

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Will basicly the same 6-0, 29 years old FVV play here for the same 17M or he will ask for 35-40M per?

How much do you think Fultz is going to ask for next summer if he starts the entire season on a team that makes the playoffs?

It's gonna be a lot more than $17M per season.

Then he’ll be injured as soon as the ink dries.

[GameOver25]

What will people say if/when he goes back to doing this. I'm in the middle right now, no pressure to win games, season over, I'm not going to lie it feels like BAIT.

[JoshuaPotter]

Never have I ever wanted to be so wrong about a player as Fultz. I really want to remain a doubter though until proven otherwise. Just put me in the camp of not wanting a 20-30 ranked PG on our team.

[bigdogdylan5]

I dont understand all the drama around Fultz. To me he had a good season. I want to call bull on the statement of I don’t want a pg who is 20-30 in the league I would agree but looking at FA and draft who are we getting? If we get Scoot then yes probably worth it to not bring him back but if we’re talking FVV then I am not sure it worth it. Your going from like 20-22 ranked pg in the league to like 13-15 for double the money. Idk it just makes sense to run this whole thing back unless we get Scoot. Fultz was a big reason we went 5-20 and then over 500 the rest of the way. The only potential upgrade I want to make is try and get a SG that can shoot 40% from three on a decent volume. Is anyone for cutting him before July 1st?

[bigdogdylan5]

Can we talk about actual solutions and not just Fultz isn’t good enough? Outside of Scoot because we have to win the 2-3 pick.

[eyriq]

Can we talk about actual solutions and not just Fultz isn’t good enough? Outside of Scoot because we have to win the 2-3 pick.

The problem is deeper than just Fultz. Our backcourt has Fultz as a 20-30 range PG, with Cole in the same range, and Suggs knocking on the door for that range as well. So what do we do?

Option 1: Groom Suggs to be a shooting guard and upgrade Harris (Gradey, Keyonte, etc)
Option 2: Move on from Cole & Fultz, sign FVV and draft a PG to groom into a starter (Cason)

And a ton on other options

[Audi]

Pure assists are a bad stat. Look at some people above 6 apg and they are not good passers, just simply have the ball a lot. Fultz has a lot of issues but solid-level playmaking isn't one of them. Although I do notice in the clutch it does get a bit iffy.

I don’t know if we can agree on that.

Fultz does not run pick n roll offense. Statistically Franz is significantly better at it. Fultz can’t do it because he doesn’t shoot off the dribble in front of screens. His ‘playmaking’ is driving into the lane and hitting a collapsing defense. That’s it.

The problem isn’t necessarily Fultz scoring a bunch from 3. It’s that nobody respects him enough justifiably for the play to work. Both defenders would just drop back.

What I'm seeing is that he does run the PnR, though....at an average of just a half possession less per game than Franz does (who leads the team) and just slightly less than Paolo and Cole do, contributing to an additional 4.1 ppg to compared to Franz's 4.8ppg off the PnR as handler.

Either way, I would like to see all of our guys running the PnR more.

[drsd]

Can we talk about actual solutions and not just Fultz isn’t good enough? Outside of Scoot because we have to win the 2-3 pick.

ANd-1

Look: I would like Orlando to upgrade the PF slot as well. As there are LOADS of PFs better than Banchero. But we need to be realistic here. All-star upgrades aren't realistic options.

It will be difficult for Orlando it upgrade the PG rotation. And it will be EASY to upgrade the SG rotation and the forward bench depth-chart. It is these reasons I harp on those.

[eyriq]

Can we talk about actual solutions and not just Fultz isn’t good enough? Outside of Scoot because we have to win the 2-3 pick.

ANd-1

Look: I would like Orlando to upgrade the PF slot as well. As there are LOADS of PFs better than Banchero. But we need to be realistic here. All-star upgrades aren't realistic options.

It will be difficult for Orlando it upgrade the PG rotation. And it will be EASY to upgrade the SG rotation and the forward bench depth-chart. It is these reasons I harp on those.

Loads of power forwards better than Paolo? Name twenty

[VFX]

Pure assists are a bad stat. Look at some people above 6 apg and they are not good passers, just simply have the ball a lot. Fultz has a lot of issues but solid-level playmaking isn't one of them. Although I do notice in the clutch it does get a bit iffy.

I don’t know if we can agree on that.

Fultz does not run pick n roll offense. Statistically Franz is significantly better at it. Fultz can’t do it because he doesn’t shoot off the dribble in front of screens. His ‘playmaking’ is driving into the lane and hitting a collapsing defense. That’s it.

The problem isn’t necessarily Fultz scoring a bunch from 3. It’s that nobody respects him enough justifiably for the play to work. Both defenders would just drop back.

What I'm seeing is that he does run the PnR, though....at an average of just a half possession less per game than Franz does (who leads the team) and just slightly less than Paolo and Cole do, contributing to an additional 4.1 ppg to compared to Franz's 4.8ppg off the PnR as handler.

Either way, I would like to see all of our guys running the PnR more.

Ideally it is run with Paolo.

The guy is 6’10 255lbs and quick. I’m not sure why it isn’t done 4-5 times a game other than the fact that the outside threat isn’t there from our ball handlers, they are incapable of making the correct read, OR Mosley just doesn’t draw it up.

Either way, the initiator on offense needs to have that in their bag. Paolo is the perfect wall rolling to the basket downhill. It’s going to be more effective than isolation plays starting at the arc and ending in the paint. If Orlando had a guy like Young or Lillard it would be nearly unstoppable. I’d settle for average at this point.

[VFX]

Can we talk about actual solutions and not just Fultz isn’t good enough? Outside of Scoot because we have to win the 2-3 pick.

ANd-1

Look: I would like Orlando to upgrade the PF slot as well. As there are LOADS of PFs better than Banchero. But we need to be realistic here. All-star upgrades aren't realistic options.

It will be difficult for Orlando it upgrade the PG rotation. And it will be EASY to upgrade the SG rotation and the forward bench depth-chart. It is these reasons I harp on those.

I don’t know how many PFs have higher upside than Paolo and are significantly better. Probably not many.

Difficult to upgrade a starting Pg? I’d take an average at everything Cason Wallace with upside over what we have.

Hell, I’d sooner just start Cole at this point and avoid paying two 20-30 ranked point guards exorbitant money for average production at the same time.

[purpleswordfish]

I thought Markelle Fultz had a solid season and improved markedly over the previous year. I get the spacing concern since he only shoots 31% from 3. But, overall I think he'll end up being the starting PG next year.

To anyone wanting to move on, that's fine. My question would be what other better option is available for the Magic? Fred VanVleet is going to cost a lot and I don't know that he brings enough value for the price tag. There's obviously the chance of a player in the draft.

[eyriq]

Can we talk about actual solutions and not just Fultz isn’t good enough? Outside of Scoot because we have to win the 2-3 pick.

ANd-1

Look: I would like Orlando to upgrade the PF slot as well. As there are LOADS of PFs better than Banchero. But we need to be realistic here. All-star upgrades aren't realistic options.

It will be difficult for Orlando it upgrade the PG rotation. And it will be EASY to upgrade the SG rotation and the forward bench depth-chart. It is these reasons I harp on those.

Loads of power forwards better than Paolo? Name twenty

Here are nine that I see as clearly better right now than Paolo (in terms of impacting winning): Giannis, Durant, Tatum, LeBron, Zion, Randle, Mobley, Towns, AG.

If I've got to win a game and my life depends on it I'm selecting one of them to be my Power Forward over Paolo. After Aaron Gordon, I'm picking Paolo. And long-term, say a five year horizon, I'm taking Paolo over everyone except for Giannis and Tatum. I'm curious how you see things.

[eyriq]

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