Re: Trade Talk (Part Twelve): 2023 Playoff Push Edition

[shrink]

Believe me, they won't. I don't even consider KAT tradable until the price is lowered. Mikal Bridges been looking great for Brooklyn and he's extremely reliable. They would love to add KAT but for Claxton and draft picks, not Bridges. I don't believe anyone would be interested in trading their key franchise players for KAT. They would want to add to their key players with KAT. Not remove them for KAT. I heard someone mention Toronto. Maybe something could be done for KAT using OG but zero chance they move Barnes. Adding KAT is to help Barnes

If you want a star in return, you gotta trade Ant. Teams will be willing to trade a star for Ant.

Without getting into a big debate, I think you are severely undervaluing Kat my friend. He’s a true #1 option on offense. I like SloMo next to him at 4. Hopefully we see that more. He’s making $36M next year and then the cap jumps again.

The only trade that makes sense is for a player of similar value or a high upside player. Not breaking Kat down into nickles, dimes and quarters. Trading Ant would be absurdly stupid. That would make David Kahn look like a genius.

Mikal is also getting overrated on the forum. Is he a 1b or #2 on a finals team? Idk. I don’t think the Suns move him if he had that upside.

I have zero belief you can get a better prospect than modern KAT for KAT. Whereas, I believe you can get a clearly better player for Bridges, Barnes, or Mobley than they are right now. A legit older superstar.

KAT just got too many issues and his value isn't high enough. Doesn't really impact winning and his best role is to complement someone who's already the superstar or at least the engine.

I'll be honest with you. There is zero chance you will trade KAT for the value you covet and yes, I do believe in KAT. Just not in regards to his trade value. His supermax is starting after next year. That's a significant amount of money and the new CBA basically has a hard cap no teams really want to touch. That's gonna make getting max value difficult and lower the mid tier market trade value as well as teams will be really on top of how they spend on mid tier players.

The NBA is gonna change in a couple of years. Idk know if KAT is worth that. I know he's not worth that for MIN but he could be for others if put in a better personnel fit. That said, I don't see it.

If you guys go to Toronto, Brooklyn, or Cleveland and bring up KAT, they would all be interested. Willing to offer Siakam, Allen, or Claxton but hardly any will be interested in offering Barnes, Bridges, or Mobley. If you want one of those guys, Ant is your best option by far to get one of them.

Is this how you try to make a case? A lot of words and hand-waving about how you feel, and very little to support your feelings?

KAT doesn’t have value because he doesn’t impact winning? Then no individual Hawks have value, since they’re TEAM doesn’t have enough talent to be mediocre. Both teams have typically done a lousy job surrounding their stars with good enough supporting talent to give them a chance to “impact winning.”

Oh no - the new CBA will have a hard cap? Oh no. You realize that the there is a going to be a huge influx of money from the new tv deal, right? And that Towns’s extension is based on pre-TV deal maxes? And that leap in BRI will make that super-luxury threshold extremely high, and affect only teams that are collecting multiple max players. Even if they put it in next year, before the cap spike, only three teams would be affected. You are reading this completely backwards.

Towns regularly is one of the NBA’s best scorers, inside and outside, and only a handful of teams have a player who can defend him. He creates terrific gravity for his other teammates. He’s usually a top ten rebounder, and a surprising passer.

“KAT is untradable on his contract?” You are a buffoon.

[King Ken]

Without getting into a big debate, I think you are severely undervaluing Kat my friend. He’s a true #1 option on offense. I like SloMo next to him at 4. Hopefully we see that more. He’s making $36M next year and then the cap jumps again.

The only trade that makes sense is for a player of similar value or a high upside player. Not breaking Kat down into nickles, dimes and quarters. Trading Ant would be absurdly stupid. That would make David Kahn look like a genius.

Mikal is also getting overrated on the forum. Is he a 1b or #2 on a finals team? Idk. I don’t think the Suns move him if he had that upside.

I have zero belief you can get a better prospect than modern KAT for KAT. Whereas, I believe you can get a clearly better player for Bridges, Barnes, or Mobley than they are right now. A legit older superstar.

KAT just got too many issues and his value isn't high enough. Doesn't really impact winning and his best role is to complement someone who's already the superstar or at least the engine.

I'll be honest with you. There is zero chance you will trade KAT for the value you covet and yes, I do believe in KAT. Just not in regards to his trade value. His supermax is starting after next year. That's a significant amount of money and the new CBA basically has a hard cap no teams really want to touch. That's gonna make getting max value difficult and lower the mid tier market trade value as well as teams will be really on top of how they spend on mid tier players.

The NBA is gonna change in a couple of years. Idk know if KAT is worth that. I know he's not worth that for MIN but he could be for others if put in a better personnel fit. That said, I don't see it.

If you guys go to Toronto, Brooklyn, or Cleveland and bring up KAT, they would all be interested. Willing to offer Siakam, Allen, or Claxton but hardly any will be interested in offering Barnes, Bridges, or Mobley. If you want one of those guys, Ant is your best option by far to get one of them.

Is this how you try to make a case? A lot of words and hand-waving about how you feel, and very little to support your feelings?

KAT doesn’t have value because he doesn’t impact winning? Then no individual Hawks have value, since they’re TEAM doesn’t have enough talent to be mediocre. Both teams have typically done a lousy job surrounding their stars with good enough supporting talent to give them a chance to “impact winning.”

Oh no - the new CBA will have a hard cap? Oh no. You realize that the there is a going to be a huge influx of money from the new tv deal, right? And that Towns’s extension is based on pre-TV deal maxes? And that leap in BRI will make that super-luxury threshold extremely high, and affect only teams that are collecting multiple max players. Even if they put it in next year, before the cap spike, only three teams would be affected. You are reading this completely backwards.

Towns regularly is one of the NBA’s best scorers, inside and outside, and only a handful of teams have a player who can defend him. He creates terrific gravity for his other teammates. He’s usually a top ten rebounder, and a surprising passer.

“KAT is untradable on his contract?” You are a buffoon.

That last part was extremely disrespectful and I've always been nothing but respectful to any member of this sub. Take that **** back bro.

I don't see anything wrong with my case. I didn't disrespect anyone.

There are levels to impact winning. When you are asking for the players he was asking for, that player needs to impact how the league is impacted. Guys like Embiid, KD, Jokic, guys like that. He's not even on that Dame level where even then, you aren't getting any of those guys for either, I will say the same to Portland supporters, that's not a knock on them or Dame, it's just his trade value. Be honest with yourself. Two playoff trips and a potential one this year as an 8th seed again isn't what you expect him a franchise face in eight seasons. Let's just be honest about that. If you weren't a Wolves fan, would you find that to be impressive?

I got a million things I can bitch about the Hawks for. A million things. So let's not act like I am doing the fanboy shuffle which it seems you are low-key accusing me of. I am probably one of the toughest on the Hawks within the Hawks space, ask @Jayu70 or @graymule.

I am more than aware of the new CBA. I also know that we are doing cap smoothing as well. The estimate for the 2024 LT is slightly over 171 million and that's taking into account what the new NBA TV deal will be. It could be lower than this amount, maybe higher. Just based on Ant likely 45 mil, 44 mil for Gobert, Jaden 23 mil, and 50 mil for KAT. You are looking at 167 with just those four players. That's 4 million from the LT and 21 million from the (hidden) hard cap. That's not including other salaries on the roster. Once you go pass 17.5 million over the LT, you cannot sign anyone above the min. Even have draft pick limitations as well.

Towns is highly valuable. Where did I state otherwise that he wasn't? I've always said he was valuable. #1 options on offense aren't easy to find in the NBA no matter it's 2002 or 2023.

I never said he was untradable based on his contract. I said, he's untradable if your demands are guys like Bridges, Barnes, or Mobley. In that case, he's nuclear.

[minimus]

Is $hit$torm over? Calm down, we need both Gobert and Towns

[minimus]

Any chance to get Pritchard this summer?

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[Note30]

Without getting into a big debate, I think you are severely undervaluing Kat my friend. He’s a true #1 option on offense. I like SloMo next to him at 4. Hopefully we see that more. He’s making $36M next year and then the cap jumps again.

The only trade that makes sense is for a player of similar value or a high upside player. Not breaking Kat down into nickles, dimes and quarters. Trading Ant would be absurdly stupid. That would make David Kahn look like a genius.

Mikal is also getting overrated on the forum. Is he a 1b or #2 on a finals team? Idk. I don’t think the Suns move him if he had that upside.

I have zero belief you can get a better prospect than modern KAT for KAT. Whereas, I believe you can get a clearly better player for Bridges, Barnes, or Mobley than they are right now. A legit older superstar.

KAT just got too many issues and his value isn't high enough. Doesn't really impact winning and his best role is to complement someone who's already the superstar or at least the engine.

I'll be honest with you. There is zero chance you will trade KAT for the value you covet and yes, I do believe in KAT. Just not in regards to his trade value. His supermax is starting after next year. That's a significant amount of money and the new CBA basically has a hard cap no teams really want to touch. That's gonna make getting max value difficult and lower the mid tier market trade value as well as teams will be really on top of how they spend on mid tier players.

The NBA is gonna change in a couple of years. Idk know if KAT is worth that. I know he's not worth that for MIN but he could be for others if put in a better personnel fit. That said, I don't see it.

If you guys go to Toronto, Brooklyn, or Cleveland and bring up KAT, they would all be interested. Willing to offer Siakam, Allen, or Claxton but hardly any will be interested in offering Barnes, Bridges, or Mobley. If you want one of those guys, Ant is your best option by far to get one of them.

Is this how you try to make a case? A lot of words and hand-waving about how you feel, and very little to support your feelings?

KAT doesn’t have value because he doesn’t impact winning? Then no individual Hawks have value, since they’re TEAM doesn’t have enough talent to be mediocre. Both teams have typically done a lousy job surrounding their stars with good enough supporting talent to give them a chance to “impact winning.”

Oh no - the new CBA will have a hard cap? Oh no. You realize that the there is a going to be a huge influx of money from the new tv deal, right? And that Towns’s extension is based on pre-TV deal maxes? And that leap in BRI will make that super-luxury threshold extremely high, and affect only teams that are collecting multiple max players. Even if they put it in next year, before the cap spike, only three teams would be affected. You are reading this completely backwards.

Towns regularly is one of the NBA’s best scorers, inside and outside, and only a handful of teams have a player who can defend him. He creates terrific gravity for his other teammates. He’s usually a top ten rebounder, and a surprising passer.

“KAT is untradable on his contract?” You are a buffoon.

It's okay this is the same buffoon who thought Dennis Schroeder was going to be better than Chris Paul.

[King Ken]

I think it would be wise to apologize, Note30.

[Note30]

I think it would be wise to apologize, Note30.

For posting a paraphrased quote? If you want to come onto our board and tell us our superstar isn't worth what you think he is then it's totally fair game for me to look back and remember the one or two other times Ive seen a take from you.

[King Ken]

I think it would be wise to apologize, Note30.

For posting a paraphrased quote? If you want to come onto our board and tell us our superstar isn't worth what you think he is then it's totally fair game for me to look back and remember the one or two other times Ive seen a take from you.

Not once did I personal insult a poster. But you seem to do it with malice and contempt.

I've been on his board for ages, never been attacked. Many here been on our boards. Never attacked but you attack me and then you basically post bull as well. It sounds like you long term animosity against me. I don't even recall saying Dennis and CP3 in the same sentence unless I was talking about the Thunder and you post this. Last time I was high on Dennis, he was 21, putting up tremendous metrics and he was being protected by Al Horford who bailed a season later.

I don't even care enough to think of something someone might have or haven't said 8 years ago much less attack someone and call them out of name. You owe me an apology. A sincere one.

Nothing I said should result in a personal attack. Nothing.

[King Ken]

GopherIt has been to both boards. He can give his opinion. Even if he makes a strong statement, that's his opinion. That's fine. But why do any of you (shrink or note30) feel the need to personally attack another poster? Why?

Nothing I said is going to impact Connelly decisions and I've said to GopherIt, the best play is to ride this thing out to the trade deadline and see what you have with everyone on board for another season. In that case, you have to look into moves, even if it's financial depended. As of right now, you aren't exactly dealing with players peaking at the best in terms of trade value outside of Ant. If you feel I am wrong on that statement, feel free but don't attack me and call me out of my name especially when I've been nothing but respectful and pleasant.

To even say the Dennis rubbish was a massive mark and that just screams someone has friction and this thread has nothing to do with it.

[Note30]

I think it would be wise to apologize, Note30.

For posting a paraphrased quote? If you want to come onto our board and tell us our superstar isn't worth what you think he is then it's totally fair game for me to look back and remember the one or two other times Ive seen a take from you.

Not once did I personal insult a poster. But you seem to do it with malice and contempt.

I've been on his board for ages, never been attacked. Many here been on our boards. Never attacked but you attack me and then you basically post bull as well. It sounds like you long term animosity against me. I don't even recall saying Dennis and CP3 in the same sentence unless I was talking about the Thunder and you post this. Last time I was high on Dennis, he was 21, putting up tremendous metrics and he was being protected by Al Horford who bailed a season later.

I don't even care enough to think of something someone might have or haven't said 8 years ago much less attack someone and call them out of name. You owe me an apology. A sincere one.

Nothing I said should result in a personal attack. Nothing.

Yes, I do, if you're gonna get fired up about name-calling I have news for you, you're not gonna like a lot of the internet. What is your point?

Not long term animosity, but I do remember that completely ridiculous take - you saw Schroeder as untouchable. I don't think I even participated in the thread, I just remembered it because you were getting bombarded and associated it with your super unique user name (pretty cool name.)

Ehhh. RealGM is like two steps above Reddit. So yeah its solid, and most people are respectful.

You don't get to decide what I interpret as disrespectful. Your take on Towns I saw as disrespectful and I merely agreed with another poster and provided the last take of yours I remembered which just happened to be 8 years ago. (Also me and shrink disagree heavily with one another - he has some takes I agree with but we disagree a lot particularly about Gobert.)

Here we go. I had to go back and look because even the I remember this being one of the most ridiculous takes I had ever seen.

Hell no! I wouldn't even trade Dennis for the #1 pick in this draft. Sure thing who ever we draft won't get much PT in 2015 anyway.

LOL wow.

Don't really care. Dennis is part of the future. We have a center who is part of the future. We simply need to add a potentially elite to very good wing and our future is as bright as our now.

KAT. That's why this post stuck out to me. I remember it now. I knew it was some absolutely bizarre take. Even then I thought, this guy's stats are pretty meh, he doesn't have the physical form why would you not trade that for a guy who can do it all on offense as a big.

[King Ken]

For posting a paraphrased quote? If you want to come onto our board and tell us our superstar isn't worth what you think he is then it's totally fair game for me to look back and remember the one or two other times Ive seen a take from you.

Not once did I personal insult a poster. But you seem to do it with malice and contempt.

I've been on his board for ages, never been attacked. Many here been on our boards. Never attacked but you attack me and then you basically post bull as well. It sounds like you long term animosity against me. I don't even recall saying Dennis and CP3 in the same sentence unless I was talking about the Thunder and you post this. Last time I was high on Dennis, he was 21, putting up tremendous metrics and he was being protected by Al Horford who bailed a season later.

I don't even care enough to think of something someone might have or haven't said 8 years ago much less attack someone and call them out of name. You owe me an apology. A sincere one.

Nothing I said should result in a personal attack. Nothing.

Yes, I do, if you're gonna get fired up about name-calling I have news for you, you're not gonna like a lot of the internet. What is your point?

Not long term animosity, but I do remember that completely ridiculous take - you saw Schroeder as untouchable. I don't think I even participated in the thread, I just remembered it because you were getting bombarded and associated it with your super unique user name (pretty cool name.)

Ehhh. RealGM is like two steps above Reddit. So yeah its solid, and most people are respectful.

You don't get to decide what I interpret as disrespectful. Your take on Towns I saw as disrespectful and I merely agreed with another poster and provided the last take of yours I remembered which just happened to be 8 years ago. (Also me and shrink disagree heavily with one another - he has some takes I agree with but we disagree a lot particularly about Gobert.)

Here we go. I had to go back and look because even the I remember this being one of the most ridiculous takes I had ever seen.

LOL wow.

Don't really care. Dennis is part of the future. We have a center who is part of the future. We simply need to add a potentially elite to very good wing and our future is as bright as our now.

KAT. That's why this post stuck out to me. I remember it now. I knew it was some absolutely bizarre take. Even then I thought, this guy's stats are pretty meh, he doesn't have the physical form why would you not trade that for a guy who can do it all on offense as a big.

2015. That's a terrible reach. You can find plenty of things everyone here said that eventually became wrong in hindsight. Especially on promising players. You will find many Bucks fans telling you Jabari Parker is their franchise player over Giannis in 2015. That's okay for 2015, for 2023, said, no one ever. You are trolling at this point.

You are doubling down and it's only getting worse. Stop yourself while you are really far behind.

[Note30]

Not once did I personal insult a poster. But you seem to do it with malice and contempt.

I've been on his board for ages, never been attacked. Many here been on our boards. Never attacked but you attack me and then you basically post bull as well. It sounds like you long term animosity against me. I don't even recall saying Dennis and CP3 in the same sentence unless I was talking about the Thunder and you post this. Last time I was high on Dennis, he was 21, putting up tremendous metrics and he was being protected by Al Horford who bailed a season later.

I don't even care enough to think of something someone might have or haven't said 8 years ago much less attack someone and call them out of name. You owe me an apology. A sincere one.

Nothing I said should result in a personal attack. Nothing.

Yes, I do, if you're gonna get fired up about name-calling I have news for you, you're not gonna like a lot of the internet. What is your point?

Not long term animosity, but I do remember that completely ridiculous take - you saw Schroeder as untouchable. I don't think I even participated in the thread, I just remembered it because you were getting bombarded and associated it with your super unique user name (pretty cool name.)

Ehhh. RealGM is like two steps above Reddit. So yeah its solid, and most people are respectful.

You don't get to decide what I interpret as disrespectful. Your take on Towns I saw as disrespectful and I merely agreed with another poster and provided the last take of yours I remembered which just happened to be 8 years ago. (Also me and shrink disagree heavily with one another - he has some takes I agree with but we disagree a lot particularly about Gobert.)

Here we go. I had to go back and look because even the I remember this being one of the most ridiculous takes I had ever seen.

Don't really care. Dennis is part of the future. We have a center who is part of the future. We simply need to add a potentially elite to very good wing and our future is as bright as our now.

KAT. That's why this post stuck out to me. I remember it now. I knew it was some absolutely bizarre take. Even then I thought, this guy's stats are pretty meh, he doesn't have the physical form why would you not trade that for a guy who can do it all on offense as a big.

2015. That's a terrible reach. You can find plenty of things everyone here said that eventually became wrong in hindsight. Especially on promising players. You will find many Bucks fans telling you Jabari Parker is their franchise player over Giannis in 2015. That's okay for 2015, for 2023, said, no one ever. You are trolling at this point.

You are doubling down and it's only getting worse. Stop yourself while you are really far behind.

I'm not the one who cried when the mean internet man said bad thing to me

[Worm Guts]

I've temporarily locked this thread. Hopefully we can settle down and move on from this nonsense.

And no, name calling and personal attacks are not acceptable on this forum.

[younggunsmn]

Ken I just wanted to say congrats on the play-in win and thanks for your input here.
We're better than the past few pages, particularly Shrink who has been a great poster here for many years.

I value input that is outside our bubble and it's never easy to go onto another team's board.
Hopefully we can join you as a 7 seed in a couple hours!

[King Ken]

Ken I just wanted to say congrats on the play-in win and thanks for your input here.
We're better than the past few pages, particularly Shrink who has been a great poster here for many years.

I value input that is outside our bubble and it's never easy to go onto another team's board.
Hopefully we can join you as a 7 seed in a couple hours!

Thanks bro and this is a tremendous game and now going into OT. Tremendous game.

[Guest84]

Sounds like ATL may have a fire sale after the season. Is there any player on that team that could help the wolves??

[TimberKat]

Sounds like ATL may have a fire sale after the season. Is there any player on that team that could help the wolves??

Not after they beat the Heat. Will see what happens in the playoffs. Certainly interested in Murray or Young. Collins and Bogdanovic maybe interesting.

All depends if we stick with 2 bigs which I hope we do. I think we need some slower set plays with Gobert mix in with 1/2 game hustle double team plays like first half vs Lakers. When things slow down and everyone is out of gas, we need to go to a couple pet set plays. Similar to Showtime Lakers. Slow down, dump it to Kareem.

[Neeva]

Sounds like ATL may have a fire sale after the season. Is there any player on that team that could help the wolves??

Not after they beat the Heat. Will see what happens in the playoffs. Certainly interested in Murray or Young. Collins and Bogdanovic maybe interesting.

All depends if we stick with 2 bigs which I hope we do. I think we need some slower set plays with Gobert mix in with 1/2 game hustle double team plays like first half vs Lakers. When things slow down and everyone is out of gas, we need to go to a couple pet set plays. Similar to Showtime Lakers. Slow down, dump it to Kareem.

Miami is a mess and was only close thanks to 37 year old Lowry having a fantastic game. Miami went gleague dumpster diving and had three former undrafted g leaguers play really badly last night strus, vincent and Martin, plus they have that horrible contract to their fourth former undrafted Robinson, yikes. I think Hawks will get swept easily by Boston and decide to blow it up.

[minimus]

I am searching for a young PG prospect who can benefit from learning from Conley for one year. How about Kira Lewis Jr.? He is RFA after 2023-24 season.

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I dont expect much from coming offseason, but we need to improve depth at PG position.

Knight, McLaughlin, 2nd round pick for Kira Lewis Jr. Re-sign NAW for 12mil/3yrs deal. Let Nowell go. Reid is likely to get an offer from other team... Full MLE to Donte DiVincenzo.

Gobert/Towns/Garza
Towns/Anderson/Minott
MCD/TP/Moore
Edwards/DDV/NAW
Conley/NAW/Lewis Jr.

[UnFadeable21]

No trade - Rudy does the little things extremely well like setting screens, rebounds and defense.

Keep him and move forward. Dude averaged 14ppg 12rebs this season.