Markelle Fultz

[Audi]

Multiple people on this very forum swore up and down that Fultz was physically incapable of taking his midrange form and extending it out to the 3PT line because of thoracic outlet syndrome...

It's not like this rules out TOS. We need to see a catch and shoot from 3 with that midrange form to rule it out completely.. Could be possible that his midrange shooting motion doesn't run into issues with nerve impingement because his feet aren't on the ground, unlike on FT's and C&S.

[drsd]

Loads of power forwards better than Paolo? Name twenty

This is more than 20 players that would have been better PFs than Banchero this year, so SFs and Cs are on the list. This is a this-year list. Yes Banchero is projected to be better than most of these players very soon.

But this is not the point: the point is that Banchero was NOT a top-80 player this year.

Kawhi Leonard
LeBron James
Jayson Tatum
Jerami Grant
Mikal Bridges
Brandon Ingram
Jayson Tatum
Bojan Bogdanović
Khris Middleton
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Anthony Davis
Kevin Durant
Zion Williamson
Domantas Sabonis
Lauri Markkanen
Jaren Jackson Jr.
Christian Wood
Julius Randle
Pascal Siakam
Paul George
Evan Mobley
Nikola Jokić
Joel Embiid
Kristaps Porziņģis
Bam Adebayo
Myles Turner
Deandre Ayton



Back to the point of Fultz. It will be expensive to replace him. Replacing G-Harris will be simple.


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[SOUL]

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[drsd]

I don’t know how many PFs have higher upside than Paolo and are significantly better. Probably not many.

Difficult to upgrade a starting Pg? I’d take an average at everything Cason Wallace with upside over what we have.

Hell, I’d sooner just start Cole at this point and avoid paying two 20-30 ranked point guards exorbitant money for average production at the same time.

Well: perhaps we all get lucky and Suggs develops a 40% three-ball on 5 attempts+ per game. Then this is a self-resolving issue.


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[p0peye]

Only thing I got from this thread is that instead of having contract year, Fultz pulled out a contract game. Man, that's so him right there.

[Bergmaniac]

Only thing I got from this thread is that instead of having contract year, Fultz pulled out a contract game. Man, that's so him right there.

It was more of a "contract shot", I'd say.

[p0peye]

I don’t know how many PFs have higher upside than Paolo and are significantly better. Probably not many.

Difficult to upgrade a starting Pg? I’d take an average at everything Cason Wallace with upside over what we have.

Hell, I’d sooner just start Cole at this point and avoid paying two 20-30 ranked point guards exorbitant money for average production at the same time.

Well: perhaps we all get lucky and Suggs develops a 40% three-ball on 5 attempts+ per game. Then this is a self-resolving issue.


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Meaning he will take Harris place in starting lineup. I am not sure Suggs can be a PG on a competitive team.

[yoyojw17]

Wow... feels like this is getting blown out of proportion. He was coming back from his injuries and into a system where they are promoting success... and he was CAPABLE of taking the 3... but didn't because he wanted to focus on the things he knows he can do in the moment and felt comfortable to do as well. Confidence in doing something is something that needs to be built. Instead ... he only shot it when needed to... and at the end of the season he decided to say "F*** it".

Anyone can "Pull for 3 off the dribble"... doesnt mean it's a great idea. Shoot... we've seen shaq messing around at allstar games. If Goga wanted to... he could pull up from the logo every time if given the opportunity. Now you've got a PG that shoots above 50% from the field .... which include a diet of long jumpers... and we are complaining that his next step is to gain the confidence needed to be proactive next season... and will work on it in the offseason even more.

And he will have to show it on the court before he gets this contract that people now want to say he's "simply hunting for"

wouldn't it be an even brighter idea to have showcased an ACE up his sleeve this season if he was just simply holding back.

Just great to hear that he is healthy... "100%" according to him.... especially since the word around the board became.... "oh he can't even lift his arm over his head because it will get weak... and his career is done.... i heard the dude can't even wipe his own a$$ too" lol

Just saying... lets see what he shows. if kelle comes back with this great efficiency and adds a 3 pointer as well... he will be a dynamic player and great addition to the starting lineup without looking at the next "What if?"

[MasterGMer]

Wow... feels like this is getting blown out of proportion. He was coming back from his injuries and into a system where they are promoting success... and he was CAPABLE of taking the 3... but didn't because he wanted to focus on the things he knows he can do in the moment and felt comfortable to do as well. Confidence in doing something is something that needs to be built. Instead ... he only shot it when needed to... and at the end of the season he decided to say "F*** it".

Anyone can "Pull for 3 off the dribble"... doesnt mean it's a great idea. Shoot... we've seen shaq messing around at allstar games. If Goga wanted to... he could pull up from the logo every time if given the opportunity. Now you've got a PG that shoots above 50% from the field .... which include a diet of long jumpers... and we are complaining that his next step is to gain the confidence needed to be proactive next season... and will work on it in the offseason even more.

And he will have to show it on the court before he gets this contract that people now want to say he's "simply hunting for"

wouldn't it be an even brighter idea to have showcased an ACE up his sleeve this season if he was just simply holding back.

Just great to hear that he is healthy... "100%" according to him.... especially since the word around the board became.... "oh he can't even lift his arm over his head because it will get weak... and his career is done.... i heard the dude can't even wipe his own a$$ too" lol

Just saying... lets see what he shows. if kelle comes back with this great efficiency and adds a 3 pointer as well... he will be a dynamic player and great addition to the starting lineup without looking at the next "What if?"

Exactly, people keep complaining about his age in the NBA and his shots. Yet people didn't realize how much improvement Fultz has got since 76ers days. This season he is scoring at the highest of his career, so is FG% and Assists per game. Dude has made a huge improvement. If this past season was about "level up", sure Fultz did level up. Even though he is 5 year in the league, this is still his first few years in the league while being healthy.

The FO doesn't need Miami game to know his 3 point shots are there. They've seen it all practice.

Yes, his contract year is coming up and I have great expectations from Markelle Fultz. If his shooting isn't a problem, he is a star in the league AND there is a reason why he was the NO.1 pick

[JF5]

Loads of power forwards better than Paolo? Name twenty

This is more than 20 players that would have been better PFs than Banchero this year, so SFs and Cs are on the list. This is a this-year list. Yes Banchero is projected to be better than most of these players very soon.

But this is not the point: the point is that Banchero was NOT a top-80 player this year.

Kawhi Leonard
LeBron James
Jayson Tatum
Jerami Grant
Mikal Bridges
Brandon Ingram
Jayson Tatum
Bojan Bogdanović
Khris Middleton
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Anthony Davis
Kevin Durant
Zion Williamson
Domantas Sabonis
Lauri Markkanen
Jaren Jackson Jr.
Christian Wood
Julius Randle
Pascal Siakam
Paul George
Evan Mobley
Nikola Jokić
Joel Embiid
Kristaps Porziņģis
Bam Adebayo
Myles Turner
Deandre Ayton



Back to the point of Fultz. It will be expensive to replace him. Replacing G-Harris will be simple.


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Paolo was a top 25-30 for most of the year. The list you have here is laughable TBH and a lot of these players don't qualify as PF's.

[ogmagicfan]

I'd rather replace the obvious misfit (Fultz) then try to find a perfect fit so we can keep Fultz. It's far easier to replace Fultz than find that unicorn SG, and doesn't fix the fact that regardless of how good of a SG we have, it doesnt make up for the fact that our Starting PG is invisible to defenses when he's at the 3 pt line.

We need players who can shoot at the guard positions to compliment Paolo & Franz. All of these Fultz discussions have been seeing a number of people try fit a circle into a triangle. It doesn't matter how many times you try, he doesn't fit. Him becoming even an average 3 pt shooter won't be enough. We need players who are good/great at 3 pt shooting, especially at the PG position.

[MagicStarwipe]

You bunch of miserable cynical **** lol.

I was critical of Fultz all season, but I'm not tied to one vehemently held position. What was obvious to me with Fultz throughout the season was he gradually got more explosive and more confident as the season wore on. You could see it with the types of dunks he was attempting that he was feeling bouncy, feeling good and feeling confident. I honestly think that's all this is. Confidence.

I for one am happy for him and hope he continues and finally gets over this "block" and returns to the player he was. What is clear is that he has good leadership qualities, is a good locker-room guy and his teammates love him. If he can get back to what he was then our PG problem is solved just like that. There's no guarantees, but I for one am rooting for him. If it doesn't work out, I have no issues moving on from him.

[SOUL]

I'd rather replace the obvious misfit (Fultz) then try to find a perfect fit so we can keep Fultz. It's far easier to replace Fultz than find that unicorn SG, and doesn't fix the fact that regardless of how good of a SG we have, it doesnt make up for the fact that our Starting PG is invisible to defenses when he's at the 3 pt line.

We need players who can shoot at the guard positions to compliment Paolo & Franz. All of these Fultz discussions have been seeing a number of people try fit a circle into a triangle. It doesn't matter how many times you try, he doesn't fit. Him becoming even an average 3 pt shooter won't be enough. We need players who are good/great at 3 pt shooting, especially at the PG position.

I would hardly call finding a shooting guard that can... shoot... a unicorn.

There's also the fact that we already have Markelle. It is therefore easier to attempt to sign shooters rather than find this great three point shooting PG out there that easily gettable. If he's out there, sure, we should go for it.. but that seems harder to do than finding guys like Anfernee Simons or Gary Trent-esque, guys who can be volume shooters on good percentages, vesrus banking on someone like VanVleet, who will be expensive, and who Raptors fans complain about 10x more than we complain about Fultz, as an easier way of dealing with roster imbalance. It's that or hope for long-shot trades for Lillard or Trae Young.

It honestly just depends how much it costs to keep Fultz. If it's too much, move on. If it's not, I don't see the issue of keeping him.

Maybe there's a hidden Brunson-esque player out there.

[SOUL]

I also adapt a bit of an NFL draft sort of philosophy to the NBA, and that goes for both Fultz versus other PGs that people want. If we commit to Fultz on too much money too prematurely, that is inherently risky and I'm against it. And so is just replacing Fultz this year because he can't shoot and since we "need to have someone that can shoot" in the sense that it makes us better, then yes I agree with that statement, but if it means "we NEED to sign a PG that can shoot and it doesn't matter who, anyone but Fultz" - then that is literally just as risky if not more... because if we sign VanVleet for way more money, and he continues a downward trend and we're only marginally better and that contract screws us in terms of flexibility, that is a very short-sighted move for a team that has a humble goal next year of making the playoffs and taking the experience that comes with (most likely losing) a tough series.

If my NFL team needs a QB but I'm not high on anybody in the draft or FA, maybe I'm perfectly fine riding it out with Jared Goff (pre-this year) or Mac Jones or Andy Dalton or (insert average starting QB), and shoring up other important areas of need that I feel good about, especially if I like the prospects the next year or the FA pool the next year or the ability to trade for certain guys moving forward instead of just... randomly throw a bag of money at someone like Deshaun Watson and hope for the best.

[ogmagicfan]

I'd rather replace the obvious misfit (Fultz) then try to find a perfect fit so we can keep Fultz. It's far easier to replace Fultz than find that unicorn SG, and doesn't fix the fact that regardless of how good of a SG we have, it doesnt make up for the fact that our Starting PG is invisible to defenses when he's at the 3 pt line.

We need players who can shoot at the guard positions to compliment Paolo & Franz. All of these Fultz discussions have been seeing a number of people try fit a circle into a triangle. It doesn't matter how many times you try, he doesn't fit. Him becoming even an average 3 pt shooter won't be enough. We need players who are good/great at 3 pt shooting, especially at the PG position.

I would hardly call finding a shooting guard that can... shoot... a unicorn.

There's also the fact that we already have Markelle. It is therefore easier to attempt to sign shooters rather than find this great three point shooting PG out there that easily gettable. If he's out there, sure, we should go for it.. but that seems harder to do than finding guys like Anfernee Simons or Gary Trent-esque, guys who can be volume shooters on good percentages, vesrus banking on someone like VanVleet, who will be expensive, and who Raptors fans complain about 10x more than we complain about Fultz, as an easier way of dealing with roster imbalance. It's that or hope for long-shot trades for Lillard or Trae Young.

It honestly just depends how much it costs to keep Fultz. If it's too much, move on. If it's not, I don't see the issue of keeping him.

Maybe there's a hidden Brunson-esque player out there.

The unicorn I refer to isn't just a player "who can shoot", it's an elite 3 pt shooter with the gravity to try to make up for the lack of gravity Fultz offers, it's a handful of players in the league who could offer that.

[Skybox]

I'd rather replace the obvious misfit (Fultz) then try to find a perfect fit so we can keep Fultz. It's far easier to replace Fultz than find that unicorn SG, and doesn't fix the fact that regardless of how good of a SG we have, it doesnt make up for the fact that our Starting PG is invisible to defenses when he's at the 3 pt line.

We need players who can shoot at the guard positions to compliment Paolo & Franz. All of these Fultz discussions have been seeing a number of people try fit a circle into a triangle. It doesn't matter how many times you try, he doesn't fit. Him becoming even an average 3 pt shooter won't be enough. We need players who are good/great at 3 pt shooting, especially at the PG position.

I would hardly call finding a shooting guard that can... shoot... a unicorn.

There's also the fact that we already have Markelle. It is therefore easier to attempt to sign shooters rather than find this great three point shooting PG out there that easily gettable. If he's out there, sure, we should go for it.. but that seems harder to do than finding guys like Anfernee Simons or Gary Trent-esque, guys who can be volume shooters on good percentages, vesrus banking on someone like VanVleet, who will be expensive, and who Raptors fans complain about 10x more than we complain about Fultz, as an easier way of dealing with roster imbalance. It's that or hope for long-shot trades for Lillard or Trae Young.

It honestly just depends how much it costs to keep Fultz. If it's too much, move on. If it's not, I don't see the issue of keeping him.

Maybe there's a hidden Brunson-esque player out there.

The unicorn I refer to isn't just a player "who can shoot", it's an elite 3 pt shooter with the gravity to try to make up for the lack of gravity Fultz offers, it's a handful of players in the league who could offer that.

Maybe the SG isn’t the problem…Harris is shooting high % on not high enough volume. Is Harris lacking gravity or is the “negative gravity” from our other perimeter non-threat making his life harder. Imagine how disappointed we’ll be when we get Simons and he suddenly can’t score 20+ anymore because he’s not nearly as open as he was in POR. You can run around screens all day but you’re not ditching two defenders without some other backcourt threat- unless you’re so nifty off the dribble like Trae or Poole

…spot up shooters don’t create gravity they benefit from a ball handler who can warp the defense and create problems

[SOUL]

Harris has never been a high three point shot guy anywhere in his career. % are fine, but shot attempts are always lacking.

[VFX]

You bunch of miserable cynical **** lol.

I was critical of Fultz all season, but I'm not tied to one vehemently held position. What was obvious to me with Fultz throughout the season was he gradually got more explosive and more confident as the season wore on. You could see it with the types of dunks he was attempting that he was feeling bouncy, feeling good and feeling confident. I honestly think that's all this is. Confidence.

I for one am happy for him and hope he continues and finally gets over this "block" and returns to the player he was. What is clear is that he has good leadership qualities, is a good locker-room guy and his teammates love him. If he can get back to what he was then our PG problem is solved just like that. There's no guarantees, but I for one am rooting for him. If it doesn't work out, I have no issues moving on from him.

You could have said this post was from 2018 referring to Aaron Gordon and everything would be the same.

Magic fans deserve to be cynical when management shells out large contracts to guys claiming to be ‘figuring it out’ on contract years.

Fultz will be no different.

[MagicStarwipe]

You bunch of miserable cynical **** lol.

I was critical of Fultz all season, but I'm not tied to one vehemently held position. What was obvious to me with Fultz throughout the season was he gradually got more explosive and more confident as the season wore on. You could see it with the types of dunks he was attempting that he was feeling bouncy, feeling good and feeling confident. I honestly think that's all this is. Confidence.

I for one am happy for him and hope he continues and finally gets over this "block" and returns to the player he was. What is clear is that he has good leadership qualities, is a good locker-room guy and his teammates love him. If he can get back to what he was then our PG problem is solved just like that. There's no guarantees, but I for one am rooting for him. If it doesn't work out, I have no issues moving on from him.

You could have said this post was from 2018 referring to Aaron Gordon and everything would be the same.

Magic fans deserve to be cynical when management shells out large contracts to guys claiming to be ‘figuring it out’ on contract years.

Fultz will be no different.

We'll see. Fultz' situation is so unique that I wouldn't really compare it to anything else.

[BCS]

You bunch of miserable cynical **** lol.

I was critical of Fultz all season, but I'm not tied to one vehemently held position. What was obvious to me with Fultz throughout the season was he gradually got more explosive and more confident as the season wore on. You could see it with the types of dunks he was attempting that he was feeling bouncy, feeling good and feeling confident. I honestly think that's all this is. Confidence.

I for one am happy for him and hope he continues and finally gets over this "block" and returns to the player he was. What is clear is that he has good leadership qualities, is a good locker-room guy and his teammates love him. If he can get back to what he was then our PG problem is solved just like that. There's no guarantees, but I for one am rooting for him. If it doesn't work out, I have no issues moving on from him.

Nah, we need to get rid of him, he is improving and becoming too good and will need to be paid, we do not need that. We should do an Oladipo for Ibaka type of trade, a player on the up and up for a player on a downward trajectory, FVV sounds good, right....smh.

I do not get the rush to get rid of Fultz just to get rid of him. I get wanting an upgrade, but there are not many realistic options for a substantial upgrade out there. Is Luka or any top 10 pg under 28 available? Are we in position to draft Scoot? Is Cole or Suggs the solution? The answers to these are no right now, we will see about Scoot, and who knows, maybe Luka does become available. In the meantime, Fultz is the best option, and you have to roll with that until something better comes up if it even does.

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