Trade Discussion 22/23

[Forbes]

I like kyries game but if he doesn’t Re-sign it could be blessing. A blessing in the fact that the Mavs have to actually try to build a team around Luka and actually be responsible with money. This offseason could show us a lot.

If he does decide to stay the FO still has their work cut out for them.

Spending the summer chasing defensive players is going to be tough especially knowing every team smells the desperation.

[Absinthe]

I like kyries game but if he doesn’t Re-sign it could be blessing. A blessing in the fact that the Mavs have to actually try to build a team around Luka and actually be responsible with money. This offseason could show us a lot.

If he does decide to stay the FO still has their work cut out for them.

Spending the summer chasing defensive players is going to be tough especially knowing every team smells the desperation.

I don’t think that Luka can play with another ball dominant player on the team. The Porzingis trade made way more sense than the Kyrie trade. Luka is essentially a point guard and the entire offense runs through him. People make a big deal about losing Brunson, but Luka and Brunson didn’t fit together. Brunson had his biggest games when Luka wasn’t playing and when the minutes were staggered and Luka wasn’t on the floor. If Kyrie bolts they should go after a post player.

[Forbes]

I like kyries game but if he doesn’t Re-sign it could be blessing. A blessing in the fact that the Mavs have to actually try to build a team around Luka and actually be responsible with money. This offseason could show us a lot.

If he does decide to stay the FO still has their work cut out for them.

Spending the summer chasing defensive players is going to be tough especially knowing every team smells the desperation.

I don’t think that Luka can play with another ball dominant player on the team. The Porzingis trade made way more sense than the Kyrie trade. Luka is essentially a point guard and the entire offense runs through him. People make a big deal about losing Brunson, but Luka and Brunson didn’t fit together. Brunson had his biggest games when Luka wasn’t playing and when the minutes were staggered and Luka wasn’t on the floor. If Kyrie bolts they should go after a post player.

I wouldn’t say necessarily a post player because Luka is already top 5 in the post. Embiid, Jokic, Valanciunus, Vucevic are ahead of Luka. KP, Ayton, and AD are the three guy right after Luka. Vucevic might be the only one thats actually attainable. But I can’t see him being that much of a difference maker. We need to find a a way to become a force on Defense as that’s the only way we will be winning a chip. Along with defense we just need reliable scoring outside of Luka and for teammates to hit their open 3s.

This brings me coaching. We need a coach that can create plays when it matters. We have failed so many times at the end of close games because we could not get the ball in the right hands fast enough or because we depended on a Luka stepback 3 which is a low percentage shot. We’d be in the playoffs if we had better execution.

We have a ton of work to do this offseason.

[Mr B]

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So what if Kyrie decides he doesn’t want to stay but he is willing to work out a sign and trade. Is the any chance the Mavs could work out a sign and trade to send Kyrie to the Lakers, Portland send Dame to the Mavs, and draft picks and young players to the Blazers? Maybe the Mavs can find a way to get Vanderbilt.

[arkuo]

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So what if Kyrie decides he doesn’t want to stay but he is willing to work out a sign and trade. Is the any chance the Mavs could work out a sign and trade to send Kyrie to the Lakers, Portland send Dame to the Mavs, and draft picks and young players to the Blazers? Maybe the Mavs can find a way to get Vanderbilt.

I think this is more of Kyrie not wanting to ask repeated questions on his free agency decision that he's been asked all year. Mcmahon making it sound bad for Kyrie again IMO. But Luka said he'll try his best to recruit Kyrie to re-sign. So we'll see. Seems like he likes working with him so that's a good sign.

[SOUNDCHASER]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/271113/Timberwolves-Send-Rudy-Gobert-Home-After-He-Punched-Kyle-Anderson

trouble in paradise. Looks like an offer may get a response some one alert Cuban on the batphone.

[arkuo]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/271113/Timberwolves-Send-Rudy-Gobert-Home-After-He-Punched-Kyle-Anderson

trouble in paradise. Looks like an offer may get a response some one alert Cuban on the batphone.

THJ + Bertans + 1 pick. That fixes your rebounding and interior problems. Get it done!

[daoneandonly]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/271113/Timberwolves-Send-Rudy-Gobert-Home-After-He-Punched-Kyle-Anderson

trouble in paradise. Looks like an offer may get a response some one alert Cuban on the batphone.

Zero interest in Gobert, I'd want the other MInny big, KAT.

Not going to happen, but a world where Kyrie wants to go to Miami via S&T, they send Herro, we send Green to MInny, and we get KAT. That could salvage a lot of the unpleasentness of last season.

Then build a defensive core around your 2 superstars who can actually play together.

[Mr B]

Surely Capela has to be available if they are making Trae Young available in trade.

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[dirkules_41]

Free agents: Kyrie Irving, Christian Wood, Frank Ntilikina, Markieff Morris, Justin Holiday, Theo Pinson, Dwight Powell and McKinley Wright IV (R)

If we bring anyone but the first 2 back this offseason can be considered a failure.

[fuller4379]

Free agents: Kyrie Irving, Christian Wood, Frank Ntilikina, Markieff Morris, Justin Holiday, Theo Pinson, Dwight Powell and McKinley Wright IV (R)

If we bring anyone but the first 2 back this offseason can be considered a failure.

Signing Kyrie is pretty much a must do. I my opinion Wood isn't a good fit next to Kyrie and Luka. All three are bad defenders.

[BeiBeau]

I think Dallas is 2 high quality defenders away.

We need

1. A true number 1 defender who we can put up against the opposing teams number 1.

2. A center that can finally replace Dwight.

I think we should do

Hardy + 10 for OG

And Bertans(stretch wavied) and 27 1st for Capella.

Resign Powell and Holiday for cheap. See if we can get anything for Wood. And if we can upgrade Hardaway or Bullock that’s be great but it’s probably not realistic.

Run it back next year with

Luka/Vet
Kyrie/ Hardaway
Green/ Bullock/ Holiday
OG/ Kleber
Capella/ Dwight/ Javale

[arkuo]

I think Dallas is 2 high quality defenders away.

We need

1. A true number 1 defender who we can put up against the opposing teams number 1.

2. A center that can finally replace Dwight.

I think we should do

Hardy + 10 for OG

And Bertans(stretch wavied) and 27 1st for Capella.

Resign Powell and Holiday for cheap. See if we can get anything for Wood. And if we can upgrade Hardaway or Bullock that’s be great but it’s probably not realistic.

Run it back next year with

Luka/Vet
Kyrie/ Hardaway
Green/ Bullock/ Holiday
OG/ Kleber
Capella/ Dwight/ Javale

I like OG. Probably prime candidate as your lead defender. It was rumored the Knicks offered 3 FRPs for him before the TDL and nothing materialized. Might cost more than 1FRP to get him IMO. If not OG, Jaden Mcdaniels is also a good candidate that might come cheaper. OG is a Rich Paul client (might bring him to LA in 2024). Mcdaniels is a Bill Duffy client (same agent as Luka?).

[Maverick41]

I think Dallas is 2 high quality defenders away.

We need

1. A true number 1 defender who we can put up against the opposing teams number 1.

2. A center that can finally replace Dwight.

I think we should do

Hardy + 10 for OG

And Bertans(stretch wavied) and 27 1st for Capella.

Resign Powell and Holiday for cheap. See if we can get anything for Wood. And if we can upgrade Hardaway or Bullock that’s be great but it’s probably not realistic.

Run it back next year with

Luka/Vet
Kyrie/ Hardaway
Green/ Bullock/ Holiday
OG/ Kleber
Capella/ Dwight/ Javale

I think this looks really good if ATL or TOR were agreeable to it but I'm just worried about the long term of it and how the new CBA can really affect our ability to build particularly when we trade our FRPs. Come 2024 offseason with extensions kicking in, we're looking at the following:

Luka (43 mil)
Kyrie (50 mil)
Green (10-20 mil extension barring he continues to improve)
OG (30 mil extension)
Capela (22 mil)
THJ (16 mil)

Just those 6 is already 171-181 mil. Obviously we still need to fill the roster. No access to MLE, no buyouts. Nico would really need to hit on some undrafted players or good vets willing to play for the minimum and so far he hasn't really shown that ability.

[Archx]

I think Dallas is 2 high quality defenders away.

We need

1. A true number 1 defender who we can put up against the opposing teams number 1.

2. A center that can finally replace Dwight.

I think we should do

Hardy + 10 for OG

And Bertans(stretch wavied) and 27 1st for Capella.

Resign Powell and Holiday for cheap. See if we can get anything for Wood. And if we can upgrade Hardaway or Bullock that’s be great but it’s probably not realistic.

Run it back next year with

Luka/Vet
Kyrie/ Hardaway
Green/ Bullock/ Holiday
OG/ Kleber
Capella/ Dwight/ Javale

I think this looks really good if ATL or TOR were agreeable to it but I'm just worried about the long term of it and how the new CBA can really affect our ability to build particularly when we trade our FRPs. Come 2024 offseason with extensions kicking in, we're looking at the following:

Luka (43 mil)
Kyrie (50 mil)
Green (10-20 mil extension barring he continues to improve)
OG (30 mil extension)
Capela (22 mil)
THJ (16 mil)

Just those 6 is already 171-181 mil. Obviously we still need to fill the roster. No access to MLE, no buyouts. Nico would really need to hit on some undrafted players or good vets willing to play for the minimum and so far he hasn't really shown that ability.

Cap will be at around 135M. Now think about it....

If Cuban is dumb enough to give Kyrie a 50M contract, then he is even worse than we think he is right now. You can't win anything if you pay 2 stars 68% of cap money and one of them is... Kyrie. That's why i'm saying Kyrie can save Mavs from themselves if he just walks.

Also, other GM's know very well that this team is desperate, nothing will come easy for Nico this off season. The only REAL trade asset will be that pick. If they'll be smart enough, they could potentially make a solid deal and finally get a real center.

[Maverick41]

Cap will be at around 135M. Now think about it....

If Cuban is dumb enough to give Kyrie a 50M contract, then he is even worse than we think he is right now. You can't win anything if you pay 2 stars 68% of cap money and one of them is... Kyrie. That's why i'm saying Kyrie can save Mavs from themselves if he just walks.

Also, other GM's know very well that this team is desperate, nothing will come easy for Nico this off season. The only REAL trade asset will be that pick. If they'll be smart enough, they could potentially make a solid deal and finally get a real center.

If they want to resign Kyrie, that's probably what it's gonna take. Obviously I'd want a smaller contract but this team is probably desperate enough to throw the max if needed.

Now if they don't want to, then they got to find a way to salvage the lost value with a SnT somehow. You can't lose KP for nothing. Brunson for nothing. AND Kyrie for nothing. That is just a masterclass of ineptness.

[SOUNDCHASER]

How to solve defensive problems

Taylor Hendricks the 6'9 kid from UCF looks like a future Sean Marion
https://www.tankathon.com/players/taylor-hendricks

Zach Edey looks like a major upgrade at center and as a 7'4 giant weighing in at some say and in shape chiseled 300 pounds and fresh off winning the naismith award I would think he could handle at least half our teams center minutes as a rookie especially since he is coming of a year where he impressed with how few fouls he got called for, an impress feat for so large a player.
https://www.tankathon.com/players/zach-edey

Add in free agency

Jakob Poeltl To use the other 1/2 of the minutes at center
https://www.nba.com/player/1627751/jakob-poeltl/bio

Naz Reid definitely a useful big that could bang down low with other bigs that weigh in heavier.
https://www.nba.com/player/1629675/naz-reid/bio

You will then get to add others via trades when you trade the following guys. See those marked in red
Kyrie Irving $38,917,057 $0 $0 $0 $0
Luka Doncic $37,096,500 $40,064,220 $43,031,940 $45,999,660 $48,967,380
Tim Hardaway Jr $19,602,273 $17,897,728 $16,193,183 $0 $0
Davis Bertans $16,000,000 $17,000,000 $16,000,000 $0 $0
Christian Wood $14,317,459 $0 $0 $0 $0
Dwight Powell $11,080,125 $0 $0 $0 $0
Reggie Bullock $10,012,800 $10,489,600 $0 $0 $0
Maxi Kleber $9,000,000 $11,000,000 $11,000,000 $11,000,000 $0
JaVale McGee $5,461,219 $5,734,280 $6,007,341 $0 $0
Josh Green $3,098,400 $4,765,339 $6,762,016 $0 $0
Markieff Morris $2,905,851 $0 $0 $0 $0
Frank Ntilikina $2,036,318 $0 $0 $0 $0
Theo Pinson $1,968,175 $0 $0 $0 $0
Jaden Hardy $1,017,781 $1,719,864 $2,019,699 $0 $0
Justin Holiday $569,821 $0 $0 $0 $0
McKinley Wright $508,891 $1,761,752 $0 $0 $0
AJ Lawson $307,089 $1,761,752 $0 $0 $0

NOTES on tradeable assets
WOOD: I might want to keep Wood if his contract is reasonable enough because he can hit 3's at a good rate and provide a stretch big scoring touch off the bench.

Hardaway: Hardaway is also a potential keeper if we do not get offered anything of comparable value that is a younger fit for this teams long term goals.

Kleber: Kleber needs to sell another team on his being more healthy enough to compete more fully before we can gain enough in return for trading him so likely it will be at the TDL if we ditch him

Bertans: He has 2 years on his contract but only $5 million is guaranteed in the last year so we could pay for his salary and trade him to a team that is wanting to get rid of some salary.

Bullock: His contract will be low enough that we could easily find someone to take on his 38% 3 point game despite his drop off on defense.

Possible lineups:

Luka Irving Hardy Wright
Irving Luka Hardaway Hardy
Green Luka Bullock Pinson Lawson
Wood Luka Hendricks Kleber Bertans Poeltl
Poeltl Zach McGee Kleber Wood Hendricks

If we develop a twin tower inside scoring punch then we can damage teams offensively inside and out.
Defensively the team would be greatly improved with 2 imposing presences in the middle and a potential defensive star at the SF/PF Taylor hendricks if he falls to 10.

[Archx]

Cap will be at around 135M. Now think about it....

If Cuban is dumb enough to give Kyrie a 50M contract, then he is even worse than we think he is right now. You can't win anything if you pay 2 stars 68% of cap money and one of them is... Kyrie. That's why i'm saying Kyrie can save Mavs from themselves if he just walks.

Also, other GM's know very well that this team is desperate, nothing will come easy for Nico this off season. The only REAL trade asset will be that pick. If they'll be smart enough, they could potentially make a solid deal and finally get a real center.

If they want to resign Kyrie, that's probably what it's gonna take. Obviously I'd want a smaller contract but this team is probably desperate enough to throw the max if needed.

Now if they don't want to, then they got to find a way to salvage the lost value with a SnT somehow. You can't lose KP for nothing. Brunson for nothing. AND Kyrie for nothing. That is just a masterclass of ineptness.

Yes but they rushed KP trade and didn't resign Brunson when they still could. Kyrie will explore FA market on his own. Watch how no team outside of Mavs will offer him big money. And Cuban will gladly overpay again just beacuse he can.

[Maverick41]

Yes but they rushed KP trade and didn't resign Brunson when they still could. Kyrie will explore FA market on his own. Watch how no team outside of Mavs will offer him big money. And Cuban will gladly overpay again just beacuse he can.

I wouldn't doubt it. They cornered themselves into this situation.

All I know is that if they do re-sign Kyrie, they have to find a way to outfit the team with role players that fit well while not completely screwing up the future of building a roster 2 or 3 years from now. Nico and his scouts better be searching now because we bring up the same names all the time here. News flash, we're not the only team that wants these guys. Nico needs to be creative and think outside the box. Will also need both Kyrie and Luka to recruit also. They can't sit on the sidelines talking about flat earth or drinking beers this offseason.

[Mr B]

Free agents: Kyrie Irving, Christian Wood, Frank Ntilikina, Markieff Morris, Justin Holiday, Theo Pinson, Dwight Powell and McKinley Wright IV (R)

If we bring anyone but the first 2 back this offseason can be considered a failure.

Kyrie is the only one I expect to be back.