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Post#721 » by ballup » Tue Apr 4, 2023 11:34 pm

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zoyathedestroya wrote:Disappointed with the Celtics org that there’s no All-Defense campaign going on for DWhite. He should at least be 2nd team.


I don't know how anyone can watch him get cooked, allowing guys to blow by him to the basket multiple times a game, and still claim he should be part of the DPOY conversation. We truly do have the biggest homers in this fanbase. He's a solid and smart defender but not a great one.

As to his effectiveness this season, he's literally getting wide open threes like everyone else who has played his role but the difference is, his shot has been money THIS season. But it wasn't last season when he was shooting 31% from three. Was that his outlier season? Is this an outlier season? Or is he most likely somewhere in the middle where he's resided his other seasons around 35% which is average? He's a bad shooting slump away from being unplayable in the playoffs btw. Better hope it doesn't happen.

As to why he's not playing in the 4th currently, it's all about Smart and his fragile ego. It is what it is. While White is shooting this well (or Pritchard last season when he was shooting even better than White is now i.e. 41%) he should be starting over Smart and be our crunch-time PG with Smart reverting to his more appropriate 6th man role because it means the people shooting the wide open threes have a better chance of hitting them rather than Smart, which opens up driving lanes for the Jays and our offense in general. But again, Smart's ego is too fragile to accept that.


Your ability to continue to say the stupidest things on this board is quite a feat.

As basketball fans, we don't pick up everything while we watch. Some pick up less than others. There is a bit of kernel of truth where White isn't this hound who locks down his assignments. He's not this versatile defender like Smart and he can get out muscled.

That's not what has made White a good defense player this season. It's his weak side defense and his recovery when he gets beat. That's the reason why White has been a leader in blocks as a guard this season. It's not as if he's this explosive leaper like prime Ibaka or lengthy like Tatum. Nor is it him sagging off his man to cheat. Guy is just smart and times his approach well.

Some people can't see the details beyond the superficial. Maybe it's a lack of experience watching or straight up bias. Either way, real ones can tell that White is positively impacting the defensive end even if they can't articulate why
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Post#724 » by celtxman » Fri Apr 7, 2023 10:53 pm

Hal14 wrote:White is a perfect example of why fans need to be patient with guys and not be so quick to judge them harshly.

People on here were trashing the guy last season, saying it was a horrible trade, saying he can't shoot, saying that Pritchard should get minutes over him, etc.

Now look what happened.

People gotta realize - it takes time for a guy to get acclimated to a new team, new system, etc. Not easy to just get thrown onto a new team in the middle of the season.

I knew that once he had a full offseason and a full training camp with the new team, he'd be good to go. Plus, clearly he worked on his shooting - with Sullivan's help.

We saw the same thing with Udoka, too. Tons of fans on here were bashing him and staying he should get fired, 20 games into the season. He just needed time. It takes time to actually implement your system as a coach, get the locker room to buy in, and actually start making meaningful change as a new coach.

The lesson we all must learn is to be more patient with new coaches/players.

While I never said the Celtics should get rid of White, I certainly had reservations about the trade especially when he shot poorly and even worse would hesitate to shoot. I loved what Richardson was in his short time with the Celtics and I kept wishing for the San Antonio Derrick.
This year he put everything together and IMO is either the 3rd or 4th best player on the team. I understand the politics but I would rather see White at the end of games than Smart. He has two more years after this one on a great team friendly contract.
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Post#726 » by playa-hater » Sun Apr 9, 2023 4:55 pm

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He really is the ROCK of this team.
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Post#731 » by playa-hater » Wed Apr 12, 2023 4:07 pm

Shak_Celts wrote:BIGHEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDD!!!


where/when I'm from that would be fightin words!! :nod:
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Post#732 » by Shak_Celts » Wed Apr 12, 2023 9:27 pm

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where/when I'm from that would be fightin words!! :nod:

term of endearment. my family calls me it all the time. that's how we do in my fam, whatever odd thing they can call out will usually be your nickname! :lol:
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Post#733 » by exculpatory » Thu Apr 13, 2023 3:02 am

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Post#734 » by watsonthedragon » Thu Apr 13, 2023 3:43 pm

Lowe has White 1st team all-defense. Imagine hearing prior to the season that we would end up with a 1st team all-defensive player and its NOT Smart or Rob.

Dude is incredible.
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Post#736 » by Smart2Nesmith43 » Fri Apr 14, 2023 7:10 pm

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Post#737 » by Curmudgeon » Sat Apr 15, 2023 4:03 am

It was CRIMINAL for White not to be a finalist for DPOY. It shows that all of these awards are meaningless popularity contests run by the NBA marketing department.
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Post#738 » by Hal14 » Sun Apr 16, 2023 1:59 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:It was CRIMINAL for White not to be a finalist for DPOY. It shows that all of these awards are meaningless popularity contests run by the NBA marketing department.

As long as he makes all-defense team I'll be happy. I figure the only guards who have a shot are white, Jrue, Caruso, Bridges and Smart. 5 guys for 4 spots..

I figure smart will be the odd man out, since he only played in 61 games.

I'd go white and jrue on the 1st team. caruso and bridges on the 2nd team.
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Post#739 » by playa-hater » Sun Apr 16, 2023 3:26 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:It was CRIMINAL for White not to be a finalist for DPOY. It shows that all of these awards are meaningless popularity contests run by the NBA marketing department.


Just a guess but perhaps too many see White as a "role" player only. Not a main reason for our success. After all he sometimes barely plays in the 4th quarter this season.

But I agree he has been a beast defensively for the most part.
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Post#740 » by ConstableGeneva » Sun Apr 16, 2023 3:48 pm

Hal14 wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:It was CRIMINAL for White not to be a finalist for DPOY. It shows that all of these awards are meaningless popularity contests run by the NBA marketing department.

As long as he makes all-defense team I'll be happy. I figure the only guards who have a shot are white, Jrue, Caruso, Bridges and Smart. 5 guys for 4 spots..

I figure smart will be the odd man out, since he only played in 61 games.

I'd go white and jrue on the 1st team. caruso and bridges on the 2nd team.

Bridges is more of a forward. Dillon Brooks might be voted in over Smart. Dort and Quickley will also get votes.
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