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Post#81 » by NatP4 » Tue Apr 11, 2023 7:52 pm

pcbothwel wrote:We cant afford Beal, KP, and Kuz... and Tommy knows it. He'll SnT trade Kuz, or sign him knowing he'll have to move him at the deadline.
And trading Beal in the offseason is almost a non-starter. His salary is so high, that we need teams to have a full roster of filler salary to make it work. So that means a deadline deal most likely.


This was my thought process around the deadline, but it was totally wrong. I lost all faith in Tommy when Kuzma remained on the roster through the deadline.

All of the exit interviews revolved around this silly narrative that the “big 3” have only played 35 games together and how that is too small of a sample to go off of.

This organization is lost. They are hoping for better health next year, even though it they had pretty good health this year. They are hoping for Davis to become a quality starter(which he might). They are hoping to draft the missing piece at 7/8.
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Post#82 » by FAH1223 » Tue Apr 11, 2023 8:02 pm

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pcbothwel wrote:We cant afford Beal, KP, and Kuz... and Tommy knows it. He'll SnT trade Kuz, or sign him knowing he'll have to move him at the deadline.
And trading Beal in the offseason is almost a non-starter. His salary is so high, that we need teams to have a full roster of filler salary to make it work. So that means a deadline deal most likely.


This was my thought process around the deadline, but it was totally wrong. I lost all faith in Tommy when Kuzma remained on the roster through the deadline.

All of the exit interviews revolved around this silly narrative that the “big 3” have only played 35 games together and how that is too small of a sample to go off of.

This organization is lost. They are hoping for better health next year, even though it they had pretty good health this year. They are hoping for Davis to become a quality starter(which he might). They are hoping to draft the missing piece at 7/8.

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Post#83 » by NatP4 » Tue Apr 11, 2023 8:39 pm

This guy is brilliant. Just gets it. Not the most physically gifted player, but he fully understands what needs to happen in Washington and is extremely self aware about the type of player he is and can become with the Klay Thompson comments.

Love the answer about analytics and 3pt shooting vs midrange.

Just straight up called out the joke of a culture with this team.

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Post#84 » by The Consiglieri » Tue Apr 11, 2023 8:42 pm

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pcbothwel wrote:We cant afford Beal, KP, and Kuz... and Tommy knows it. He'll SnT trade Kuz, or sign him knowing he'll have to move him at the deadline.
And trading Beal in the offseason is almost a non-starter. His salary is so high, that we need teams to have a full roster of filler salary to make it work. So that means a deadline deal most likely.


This was my thought process around the deadline, but it was totally wrong. I lost all faith in Tommy when Kuzma remained on the roster through the deadline.

All of the exit interviews revolved around this silly narrative that the “big 3” have only played 35 games together and how that is too small of a sample to go off of.

This organization is lost. They are hoping for better health next year, even though it they had pretty good health this year. They are hoping for Davis to become a quality starter(which he might). They are hoping to draft the missing piece at 7/8.

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That's a guy whose definitely gone in '25, unless he forces a trade early, apparently he pays attention, and actually gives a ---- about winning. Just imagine if he paged through pro basketball reference under Washington Wizards/Washington Bullets "seasons,", dude would be screaming like Jack Woltz when he woke up to the horse's head.

Sounds like he gets it, no way does he stick around to be a part of the ehem, "solution".
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Post#85 » by closg00 » Tue Apr 11, 2023 8:43 pm

Corey Kispert for GM
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Post#86 » by Halcyon » Tue Apr 11, 2023 8:44 pm

Love what Kispert had to say. He just gets it
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Post#87 » by Silvie Lysandra » Tue Apr 11, 2023 9:19 pm

Honestly the problem with the team is Kuzma. Not even Beal. Kuzma is literally not an NBA-level starter. KP is actually a fringe top 20 player in both BPM and VORP, Beal is top 30ish. If you get one more player in that general talent range, you may not win a title, but you can have an interesting team to watch. Kuzma is just an absolutely terrible player that gets to shoot a lot and rack up empty counting stats. Seriously, Kuzma should be a 15-20 MPG rotation guy at most, not a featured starter.
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Post#88 » by doclinkin » Tue Apr 11, 2023 9:25 pm

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pcbothwel wrote:We cant afford Beal, KP, and Kuz... and Tommy knows it. He'll SnT trade Kuz, or sign him knowing he'll have to move him at the deadline.
And trading Beal in the offseason is almost a non-starter. His salary is so high, that we need teams to have a full roster of filler salary to make it work. So that means a deadline deal most likely.

If Tommy knew that, he would have traded Kuzma at the Trade Deadline when his value was highest. But instead, they chose to trade Rui.


I don't know if that is true. I think Kuzma's value peaks not as an expiring contract, but if there is something of a bidding war for his services.

I've said it elsewhere but this FA class is thin. Kuzma looks like one of the better prospects, by his counting stats and for teams against which he has had his streaky peaks, especially on the road. He looks like a 20/10ish player who is able to play next to two other high use stars. He rebounds willingly. He passes generously (even if his generosity extends to the opponents).

If two or more teams send out feelers and Kuzma is open to either offer, then the Wizards could benefit by arranging a S&T that fits that team, and suits Kuzma's camp. That way we have the PR to be able to say: 'we wanted to reward Kuzma for his service by helping him go to a team that suits him for XYZ reason. Still we were able to turn that into A & B useful players, and picked up draft compensation down the road.' Kuzma could leave for nothing, but few teams have the cap to absorb him at a significant deal. Leastways few teams that are in markets he would like, or who play deep into the playoffs to raise his national profile.

NYK, Brooklyn, LAL or LAC. Maybe Miami or ATL. I could see PHX as interesting as well, though the market is smaller. They are high profile enough that he can use it as a showcase for his brand, whatever brand that is. Those are the teams I think Kuz is looking towards. (Especially the NY metro area though). We have made it clear we will outbid other non-contenders so the $ won't be the main issue.

In any case, I think the fact that we can exceed the cap to pay him is the hole card Tommy has. It is nearly as good as already having a player under contract. Trading a guy for a half year rental and the hope that he won't leave, or simply trading him as an expiring contract, I think lowers his value.

If Beal didn't have the NTC then he too might be a useful asset. I guess the team didn't see that as a handicap though since, aside from Wall, they tend to trade players to the team they prefer to join. It is part of Ted's double bottom philosophy. If Beal wants opportunities elsewhere, then we will try to accommodate him and thank him for his loyalty and service on the way out. I expect Tommy feels like he has been more than fair with Beal so Beal would be reasonable on the way out as well.
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Post#89 » by dckingsfan » Tue Apr 11, 2023 9:33 pm

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pcbothwel wrote:We cant afford Beal, KP, and Kuz... and Tommy knows it. He'll SnT trade Kuz, or sign him knowing he'll have to move him at the deadline.
And trading Beal in the offseason is almost a non-starter. His salary is so high, that we need teams to have a full roster of filler salary to make it work. So that means a deadline deal most likely.

If Tommy knew that, he would have traded Kuzma at the Trade Deadline when his value was highest. But instead, they chose to trade Rui.

Should have traded both...
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Post#90 » by Endless Loop » Tue Apr 11, 2023 9:57 pm

The Kispert interview is amazing and enlightening.

First time I can remember in forever that somebody who is part of the team pulled open the curtain a bit to show their true culture.

If the culture is bad, then blame trickles up, from coach (who failed to build culture and hold players accountable) to GM (who failed to set standards and hold everyone to them), to owner (who just doesn't seem to give a ****, and let's everyone below him take the path of least resistance).

Coach and GM are jointly responsible for setting standards and expectations, and telling players how their play will be evaluated.

It's big things and little things. For instance, one of a thousand examples, what sort of message does it send when IT is still around after his miserable first years? They need to tell him what they expect, and if he doesn't get there, he needs to be waived- despite the guaranteed salary. He'll be fine playing in Europe and collecting the rest of his guarantee. And the Wiz will be better off for it.
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Post#91 » by nate33 » Tue Apr 11, 2023 10:02 pm

Halcyon wrote:Love what Kispert had to say. He just gets it

Wow!

Kispert is my new favorite player.
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Post#92 » by nate33 » Tue Apr 11, 2023 10:04 pm

NatP4 wrote:What is the point of acting like this?

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Trade this clown and be done with it

After seeing the comments, I was bracing for Beal to say something really bad when I played the video. I don't think he did.

I think he is just a little tired of everyone asking him if he wants to leave. They've been asking him that question for 2 straight years now. It's understandable that he is sick of it.
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Post#93 » by payitforward » Wed Apr 12, 2023 12:30 am

Chaos Revenant wrote:Honestly the problem with the team is Kuzma. Not even Beal. Kuzma is literally not an NBA-level starter. KP is actually a fringe top 20 player in both BPM and VORP, Beal is top 30ish. If you get one more player in that general talent range, you may not win a title, but you can have an interesting team to watch. Kuzma is just an absolutely terrible player that gets to shoot a lot and rack up empty counting stats. Seriously, Kuzma should be a 15-20 MPG rotation guy at most, not a featured starter.

The "problem" is with all of them. Beal is by no means a top 30 player, & KP isn't close to a top 20 player.

We won 35 games this year.

Here's who played for us this year & was both good & worth what they made: Delon Wright, Daniel Gafford, Jordan Goodwin, Monte Morris & Corey Kispert.
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Post#94 » by TGW » Wed Apr 12, 2023 1:42 am

Kispert bought himself a one-way ticket out of town.
Some random troll wrote:Not to sound negative, but this team is owned by an arrogant cheapskate, managed by a moron and coached by an idiot. Recipe for disaster.
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Post#95 » by Tyrone Messby » Wed Apr 12, 2023 1:54 am

Beal talks in third person now? What a clown. This franchise is so stupid. Hamstrung by the mid 3.
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Post#96 » by Silvie Lysandra » Wed Apr 12, 2023 2:01 am

payitforward wrote:The "problem" is with all of them. Beal is by no means a top 30 player, & KP isn't close to a top 20 player.

We won 35 games this year.

Here's who played for us this year & was both good & worth what they made: Delon Wright, Daniel Gafford, Jordan Goodwin, Monte Morris & Corey Kispert.


This is another thing with the way you look at players. Most advanced stats we have puts KP in the top 20 range, except for WS48, which puts him closer to top 30.

PER: #17
WS/48: #29
BPM: #19
VORP: #22
TSAdd: #20

If you don't agree with how those stats rank players, it would be good if you explained why. I understand you have a different way of evaluating players based on box scores, however, most of these advanced stats do something similar. What are the flaws in those methods compared to your viewpoint?

As for Beal, I will say that top 30 is an overstatement based on how he played this year. His actual play is closer to top 75. So fair point there. But saying that KP is not a very good player because his team won 35 players would also seem to indict Damian Lillard, whose team won 33 games, and SGA, whose team won 40 games.
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Post#97 » by NatP4 » Wed Apr 12, 2023 2:15 am

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NatP4 wrote:What is the point of acting like this?

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Trade this clown and be done with it

After seeing the comments, I was bracing for Beal to say something really bad when I played the video. I don't think he did.

I think he is just a little tired of everyone asking him if he wants to leave. They've been asking him that question for 2 straight years now. It's understandable that he is sick of it.


bull. He loves being asked about it, that was just one short clip of a 5-10 minute clown show of him being cryptic and passive aggressive towards the organization and the media. The team even cut all of that out of the exit interview final video they posted. How dare anyone think that he would quietly want out? Oh hell no, he’s throwing a massive fit on the way out. How dare Josh Robbins even ask me that question? “If Beal wants out you’re gonna know” :lol:

He could always shut it down, every step of the way. He doesn’t need to give some pathetic passive aggressive rant about how he “told the people that need to know” that he’s frustrated. Clown **** man. Just finished a slightly above average starter season while making 43 million.
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Post#98 » by gambitx777 » Wed Apr 12, 2023 2:34 am

If kispert one of the better young players we have, gets traded because of this. I'm definitely out on the FO.

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Post#99 » by Endless Loop » Wed Apr 12, 2023 12:54 pm

A couple of things-

I wonder if Tommy even knows what he doesn't know. Seems from what Kispert said that he runs things just the same way that Ernie did. Which makes sense because it's the only pro basketball operating environment he's ever been in...

Hey Ted, there's nothing preventing you from talking to your players, too. You know, the guys you pay up to $40 million a year to. Kispert can tell you exactly what the organization needs, and I'm sure he's not the only one. There's a middle course between where you seem to be now- totally hands off- versus what Snyder did with his player communications. Things clearly aren't right. Get to work!
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