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Re: Hawks Open to Trading Trae Young 

Post#41 » by Ralof » Tue Apr 11, 2023 3:44 pm

the Trae Young/Orlando Magic fan in me would trade for him in a bit,even overpaying for him and building around him,with Wagner/and/or Banchero and the rest of the guys.

but honestly he gets to the point when you are not sure you wanna do that,that is clearly the reason why Hawks could think to sell him.
too instable,and there is a solid reason to not overpay someone like him,with the risk of destroying what we are building here in terms of chemistry.
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Re: Hawks Open to Trading Trae Young 

Post#42 » by Last Guardian » Tue Apr 11, 2023 3:47 pm

eyriq wrote:Trae Young is an absolute stud. He's in that Damian Lillard, Deron Williams archetype, a high-scoring, elite playmaking point guard.

Great offense except for turnovers. Very poor defense.

I think he'd fit great with Paolo and Franz. Turnovers would be an issue as its a weakness for Franz and Paolo too, but Trae is still young and can improve there.


If he were a stud nobody would be open to trading him.

Tiny PGs are fools gold. Just like perimeter Cs. They’ll put up stats but your team is guaranteed to go nowhere.
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Re: Hawks Open to Trading Trae Young 

Post#43 » by thelead » Tue Apr 11, 2023 5:14 pm

I will say, it should be alarming that Atlanta is open to trading an all-star without them requesting a trade (that we know of anyway). I find it interesting that they hire a great coach, and within a few months are open to trading Trae. Especially when there were rumors Trae didn’t get along with the previous coaches.
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Re: Hawks Open to Trading Trae Young 

Post#44 » by IllMagic04 » Tue Apr 11, 2023 6:18 pm

We have cap space to take his contract and we have picks and young players. We absolutely should put in an offer.
Both first rounders this year
2025 first rounder
Their choice of Fultz,Cole or Suggs
Bol

Thats the most Id offer. If they say no deal then I wouldn't push any further then that.
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Re: Hawks Open to Trading Trae Young 

Post#45 » by swarlesbarkley » Tue Apr 11, 2023 6:44 pm

I'd love a line-up of

Trae
Suggs
Franz
Paolo
WCJ

Suggs and Franz allows us to hide Trae a bit while Paolo and Franz can take over whenever a team dedicates their entire gameplan to get Trae out of the offense.
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Re: Hawks Open to Trading Trae Young 

Post#46 » by cedric76 » Tue Apr 11, 2023 7:15 pm

Trae is so oOoOO overrated

Can't defend at all

Zero interest
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Re: Hawks Open to Trading Trae Young 

Post#47 » by Blue_and_Whte » Tue Apr 11, 2023 7:43 pm

tooler wrote:I'm less concerned about the player than the cost. Don't bet the farm on one-way players that can be exploited in the playoffs. You're just setting yourself up for misery.

I'm concerned about this as well. Undeniable scoring talent, his defense is awful but i feel like a switching team with length can maybe make up for it, the got the ECF. For me between the issue with the coaches, other players, fit, timing. Just doesn't feel right to. IDK could be fine.

EDIT: Additionally are we better after giving up whatever version of the farm looks like? Because thats what they'll ask for.
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Re: Hawks Open to Trading Trae Young 

Post#48 » by tiderulz » Tue Apr 11, 2023 7:54 pm

IllMagic04 wrote:We have cap space to take his contract and we have picks and young players. We absolutely should put in an offer.
Both first rounders this year
2025 first rounder
Their choice of Fultz,Cole or Suggs
Bol

Thats the most Id offer. If they say no deal then I wouldn't push any further then that.

name the last time a PG as small as Young was the best player and the team was any good or came close to a title? Yes, Atlanta made 1 run to the conference finals, but that was an exception and they havent been close since
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Re: Hawks Open to Trading Trae Young 

Post#49 » by JBSouthpaw » Tue Apr 11, 2023 7:55 pm

Last Guardian wrote:
eyriq wrote:Trae Young is an absolute stud. He's in that Damian Lillard, Deron Williams archetype, a high-scoring, elite playmaking point guard.

Great offense except for turnovers. Very poor defense.

I think he'd fit great with Paolo and Franz. Turnovers would be an issue as its a weakness for Franz and Paolo too, but Trae is still young and can improve there.


If he were a stud nobody would be open to trading him.

Tiny PGs are fools gold. Just like perimeter Cs. They’ll put up stats but your team is guaranteed to go nowhere.


There are many studs that get traded. This year alone.

We've seen it takes more than 2 really good players to be elite. (Dallas, WAS, ATL, LAC, LAL, MIN, etc.)
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Re: Hawks Open to Trading Trae Young 

Post#50 » by tiderulz » Tue Apr 11, 2023 7:56 pm

Blue_and_Whte wrote:
tooler wrote:I'm less concerned about the player than the cost. Don't bet the farm on one-way players that can be exploited in the playoffs. You're just setting yourself up for misery.

I'm concerned about this as well. Undeniable scoring talent, his defense is awful but i feel like a switching team with length can maybe make up for it, the got the ECF. For me between the issue with the coaches, other players, fit, timing. Just doesn't feel right to. IDK could be fine.

EDIT: Additionally are we better after giving up whatever version of the farm looks like? Because thats what they'll ask for.

they made the ECF, and then next year got bounced bad by Miami and this year barely made playoffs. that ECF like a big fluke
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Re: Hawks Open to Trading Trae Young 

Post#51 » by thelead » Tue Apr 11, 2023 8:09 pm

How the Heat will Attack Trae :lol:

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Re: Hawks Open to Trading Trae Young 

Post#52 » by IllMagic04 » Tue Apr 11, 2023 8:16 pm

tiderulz wrote:
IllMagic04 wrote:We have cap space to take his contract and we have picks and young players. We absolutely should put in an offer.
Both first rounders this year
2025 first rounder
Their choice of Fultz,Cole or Suggs
Bol

Thats the most Id offer. If they say no deal then I wouldn't push any further then that.

name the last time a PG as small as Young was the best player and the team was any good or came close to a title? Yes, Atlanta made 1 run to the conference finals, but that was an exception and they havent been close since


Isaiah Thomas was probably the last time a team won it all. There's also Steph Curry depending on how tall you believe he is. Or how tall you believe Trae is. People lie about height. Regardless of that I believe that he will only be our best plyer for maybe 2 years until Paolo takes the crown.
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Re: Hawks Open to Trading Trae Young 

Post#53 » by tiderulz » Tue Apr 11, 2023 8:34 pm

IllMagic04 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
IllMagic04 wrote:We have cap space to take his contract and we have picks and young players. We absolutely should put in an offer.
Both first rounders this year
2025 first rounder
Their choice of Fultz,Cole or Suggs
Bol

Thats the most Id offer. If they say no deal then I wouldn't push any further then that.

name the last time a PG as small as Young was the best player and the team was any good or came close to a title? Yes, Atlanta made 1 run to the conference finals, but that was an exception and they havent been close since


Isaiah Thomas was probably the last time a team won it all. There's also Steph Curry depending on how tall you believe he is. Or how tall you believe Trae is. People lie about height. Regardless of that I believe that he will only be our best plyer for maybe 2 years until Paolo takes the crown.

its not just about his height. Young barely weighs 165 lbs too.
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Re: Hawks Open to Trading Trae Young 

Post#54 » by Last Guardian » Tue Apr 11, 2023 8:37 pm

JBSouthpaw wrote:
Last Guardian wrote:
eyriq wrote:Trae Young is an absolute stud. He's in that Damian Lillard, Deron Williams archetype, a high-scoring, elite playmaking point guard.

Great offense except for turnovers. Very poor defense.

I think he'd fit great with Paolo and Franz. Turnovers would be an issue as its a weakness for Franz and Paolo too, but Trae is still young and can improve there.


If he were a stud nobody would be open to trading him.

Tiny PGs are fools gold. Just like perimeter Cs. They’ll put up stats but your team is guaranteed to go nowhere.


There are many studs that get traded. This year alone.

We've seen it takes more than 2 really good players to be elite. (Dallas, WAS, ATL, LAC, LAL, MIN, etc.)


There is a difference between a player demanding a trade and a team simply willing to trade someone. Hawks know Trae is not winning anything if he’s your best player or even just a starter. Hopefully Magic know that too and don’t do anything stupid.
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Re: Hawks Open to Trading Trae Young 

Post#55 » by Last Guardian » Tue Apr 11, 2023 8:40 pm

IllMagic04 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
IllMagic04 wrote:We have cap space to take his contract and we have picks and young players. We absolutely should put in an offer.
Both first rounders this year
2025 first rounder
Their choice of Fultz,Cole or Suggs
Bol

Thats the most Id offer. If they say no deal then I wouldn't push any further then that.

name the last time a PG as small as Young was the best player and the team was any good or came close to a title? Yes, Atlanta made 1 run to the conference finals, but that was an exception and they havent been close since


Isaiah Thomas was probably the last time a team won it all. There's also Steph Curry depending on how tall you believe he is. Or how tall you believe Trae is. People lie about height. Regardless of that I believe that he will only be our best plyer for maybe 2 years until Paolo takes the crown.


I just saw a picture not sure where but curry was around the same height as Westbrook and a little shorter than Wall and Rose and much taller than Paul. Curry has decent enough size. And of course he’s just insane to begin with, Trae doesn’t remotely compare.
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Re: Hawks Open to Trading Trae Young 

Post#56 » by IllMagic04 » Tue Apr 11, 2023 8:57 pm

tiderulz wrote:
IllMagic04 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:name the last time a PG as small as Young was the best player and the team was any good or came close to a title? Yes, Atlanta made 1 run to the conference finals, but that was an exception and they havent been close since


Isaiah Thomas was probably the last time a team won it all. There's also Steph Curry depending on how tall you believe he is. Or how tall you believe Trae is. People lie about height. Regardless of that I believe that he will only be our best plyer for maybe 2 years until Paolo takes the crown.

its not just about his height. Young barely weighs 165 lbs too.


Fair. So if you were the GM would you make a call or no?
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Re: Hawks Open to Trading Trae Young 

Post#57 » by tiderulz » Tue Apr 11, 2023 9:04 pm

Last Guardian wrote:
IllMagic04 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:name the last time a PG as small as Young was the best player and the team was any good or came close to a title? Yes, Atlanta made 1 run to the conference finals, but that was an exception and they havent been close since


Isaiah Thomas was probably the last time a team won it all. There's also Steph Curry depending on how tall you believe he is. Or how tall you believe Trae is. People lie about height. Regardless of that I believe that he will only be our best plyer for maybe 2 years until Paolo takes the crown.


I just saw a picture not sure where but curry was around the same height as Westbrook and a little shorter than Wall and Rose and much taller than Paul. Curry has decent enough size. And of course he’s just insane to begin with, Trae doesn’t remotely compare.

Curry was measured at 6'2 at the combine.
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Re: Hawks Open to Trading Trae Young 

Post#58 » by tiderulz » Tue Apr 11, 2023 9:05 pm

IllMagic04 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
IllMagic04 wrote:
Isaiah Thomas was probably the last time a team won it all. There's also Steph Curry depending on how tall you believe he is. Or how tall you believe Trae is. People lie about height. Regardless of that I believe that he will only be our best plyer for maybe 2 years until Paolo takes the crown.

its not just about his height. Young barely weighs 165 lbs too.


Fair. So if you were the GM would you make a call or no?

honestly, i would not. He is not that transcendant
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Re: Hawks Open to Trading Trae Young 

Post#59 » by IllMagic04 » Tue Apr 11, 2023 9:09 pm

tiderulz wrote:
IllMagic04 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:its not just about his height. Young barely weighs 165 lbs too.


Fair. So if you were the GM would you make a call or no?

honestly, i would not. He is not that transcendant


Does he have to be transcendent to make a call? Couldn't he just be better than what we have in our backcourt currently. Even if you wouldn't offer what I said. You would;t see what the price is?
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Re: Hawks Open to Trading Trae Young 

Post#60 » by Skybox » Tue Apr 11, 2023 9:12 pm

It's one thing to talk about measurables for draftees prior to the NBA and whether they'll be able to duplicate lower level success in the NBA...the guy has been doing it against NBA defenders at an elite level already.

He's not without flaws. Some here are willing to overlook lack of 3pt shooting, FTA's, and PnR management but will discount one of the most dominant offensive engines in the league since he got here because of his height or weight. What's between his ears is the only question I have. Bringing in Snyder and giving him NCAA-like authority over HIS team is a bit of an intriguing throwback that I don't hate but it's wildly unusual in this player-empowered time. They might be badly miscalculating the damage they're doing to the franchise by even provoking Trae with a "new Sheriff in town" vibe. I'm not saying kiss his ass, but respect is everything to a lot of these guys and, like it or not, the talent is the product at the end of the day. No one has ever coached their way to an NBA title...it's all about players making plays under the bright lights.

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