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Re: Welcome to Boston, Payton Pritchard! 

Post#641 » by ballup » Tue Feb 14, 2023 6:11 pm

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Consistency is a function of sample size. As sample size increases, the actual observed value will approach the true value. There is no proof that playing same or similar minutes every game makes you more consistent. A player playing 3 minutes per game every game is still going to face the same variability on each discrete shooting event, which for someone like Pritchard is about 33% on his threes if he's lucky to get a shot off in 3 minutes.

Not ignoring the boost you get from starting/ playing and getting into rhythm. We know that that's a real thing from studies in baseball comparing pinch hitting to starting. But it's marginal and in any case Pritchard is never going to be a starter and if he is, the boost he gets from rhythm is simply obliterated by having to play against better defenders.


This is some blog boi crap. Pritchard was shooting 41% on threes in his first two seasons. Even if you took his career average, it's still significantly higher than the dishonest bs you put out. Baseball isn't a 1:1 comparison to basketball, which has many more variables. Get outta here with that.

Playing garbage time is meaningless for stat evaluation. It's a period of no stakes and a bunch of players trying to prove themselves rather than play the flow of the game. It has extremely variable results unless someone clearly is tiers above in talent. Payton is a 4th guard and he's only solid overall with a couple of strengths. He's not going to stand out. Hell, even practice scrimmages are better to evaluate players as at least the starters and bench players are mixed.

Payton was playing against bench and starters in his first two seasons. Anyone who actually watches the team and not a single player could see that he belongd in the NBA as a rotation player

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Someone who watches the games would know that Pritchard struggles to get a shot off if the defense cares to stop him. Why do you think his 3pt% is so low in the playoffs? A bad player doesn't become a good player by playing a lot. All that happens is the team gets worse. Look at Aaron Nesmith now that he's getting regular minutes. He sucks.


Playoffs don't determine whether someone is worthy of regular season rotation minutes. James Harden, along with other staple names, would have his regular season minutes severely cut if that was the case.

Pacers fans love Nesmith as they understand context of his/their situation. This is in addition to him playing out of position. Care to make more clueless accusations and bad takes?

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Re: Welcome to Boston, Payton Pritchard! 

Post#642 » by BK_2020 » Tue Feb 14, 2023 6:40 pm

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This is some blog boi crap. Pritchard was shooting 41% on threes in his first two seasons. Even if you took his career average, it's still significantly higher than the dishonest bs you put out. Baseball isn't a 1:1 comparison to basketball, which has many more variables. Get outta here with that.

Playing garbage time is meaningless for stat evaluation. It's a period of no stakes and a bunch of players trying to prove themselves rather than play the flow of the game. It has extremely variable results unless someone clearly is tiers above in talent. Payton is a 4th guard and he's only solid overall with a couple of strengths. He's not going to stand out. Hell, even practice scrimmages are better to evaluate players as at least the starters and bench players are mixed.

Payton was playing against bench and starters in his first two seasons. Anyone who actually watches the team and not a single player could see that he belongd in the NBA as a rotation player

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Someone who watches the games would know that Pritchard struggles to get a shot off if the defense cares to stop him. Why do you think his 3pt% is so low in the playoffs? A bad player doesn't become a good player by playing a lot. All that happens is the team gets worse. Look at Aaron Nesmith now that he's getting regular minutes. He sucks.


Playoffs don't determine whether someone is worthy of regular season rotation minutes. James Harden, along with other staple names, would have his regular season minutes severely cut if that was the case.

Pacers fans love Nesmith as they understand context of his/their situation. This is in addition to him playing out of position. Care to make more clueless accusations and bad takes?

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James Harden is 23 ppg for his career on .589 TS% in the playoffs. Per 75 he's 24.3. Jaylen by comparison is 20.7 points per 75 in the playoffs.

Meanwhile Pritchard becomes a complete nothing when teams no longer treat him like he doesn't exist. 32.9% from the three, .535 TS%. A player like that is at best getting 10-14 minutes when rotation players are injured. That's exactly what Pritchard is, and giving him more minutes won't make him better.
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Re: Welcome to Boston, Payton Pritchard! 

Post#643 » by ballup » Tue Feb 14, 2023 9:22 pm

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Someone who watches the games would know that Pritchard struggles to get a shot off if the defense cares to stop him. Why do you think his 3pt% is so low in the playoffs? A bad player doesn't become a good player by playing a lot. All that happens is the team gets worse. Look at Aaron Nesmith now that he's getting regular minutes. He sucks.


Playoffs don't determine whether someone is worthy of regular season rotation minutes. James Harden, along with other staple names, would have his regular season minutes severely cut if that was the case.

Pacers fans love Nesmith as they understand context of his/their situation. This is in addition to him playing out of position. Care to make more clueless accusations and bad takes?

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James Harden is 23 ppg for his career on .589 TS% in the playoffs. Per 75 he's 24.3. Jaylen by comparison is 20.7 points per 75 in the playoffs.

Meanwhile Pritchard becomes a complete nothing when teams no longer treat him like he doesn't exist. 32.9% from the three, .535 TS%. A player like that is at best getting 10-14 minutes when rotation players are injured. That's exactly what Pritchard is, and giving him more minutes won't make him better.


Cool stat that has no relevance. Harden has had epic playoff meltdowns throughout his career. His stats don't tell the story of how he was uncompetitive in the fourth quarter of elimination games. How one of his Rockets team notoriously brought themselves out of the brink of elimination while Harden sat for that fourth quarter.

Regardless, none of that or any playoff stats matter to regular season playing time. You know when defenses don't zone in on specfic role players? That's right, the regular season. Pritchard doesn't deserve playing time with this guard loaded Celtics roster, but he could very well get time on some team in the league.

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Re: Welcome to Boston, Payton Pritchard! 

Post#644 » by BK_2020 » Tue Feb 14, 2023 9:58 pm

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Playoffs don't determine whether someone is worthy of regular season rotation minutes. James Harden, along with other staple names, would have his regular season minutes severely cut if that was the case.

Pacers fans love Nesmith as they understand context of his/their situation. This is in addition to him playing out of position. Care to make more clueless accusations and bad takes?

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James Harden is 23 ppg for his career on .589 TS% in the playoffs. Per 75 he's 24.3. Jaylen by comparison is 20.7 points per 75 in the playoffs.

Meanwhile Pritchard becomes a complete nothing when teams no longer treat him like he doesn't exist. 32.9% from the three, .535 TS%. A player like that is at best getting 10-14 minutes when rotation players are injured. That's exactly what Pritchard is, and giving him more minutes won't make him better.


Cool stat that has no relevance. Harden has had epic playoff meltdowns throughout his career. His stats don't tell the story of how he was uncompetitive in the fourth quarter of elimination games. How one of his Rockets team notoriously brought themselves out of the brink of elimination while Harden sat for that fourth quarter.

Regardless, none of that or any playoff stats matter to regular season playing time. You know when defenses don't zone in on specfic role players? That's right, the regular season. Pritchard doesn't deserve playing time with this guard loaded Celtics roster, but he could very well get time on some team in the league.

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Yeah your right, Harden and Pritchard are basically the same player. I'm glad I get to talk ball with knowers like you.

What team would he get more than what he gets now? He's not getting that from good teams because, you know, they are good because they have many players who are better than Pritchard. He's not getting that from bad teams because 1. they also have many players who are better than Pritchard and 2. even if they didn't, they are better served giving that playing time to someone with upside or someone who is on a team friendly contract.
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Re: Welcome to Boston, Payton Pritchard! 

Post#645 » by ballup » Wed Feb 15, 2023 12:54 am

BK_2020 wrote:
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James Harden is 23 ppg for his career on .589 TS% in the playoffs. Per 75 he's 24.3. Jaylen by comparison is 20.7 points per 75 in the playoffs.

Meanwhile Pritchard becomes a complete nothing when teams no longer treat him like he doesn't exist. 32.9% from the three, .535 TS%. A player like that is at best getting 10-14 minutes when rotation players are injured. That's exactly what Pritchard is, and giving him more minutes won't make him better.


Cool stat that has no relevance. Harden has had epic playoff meltdowns throughout his career. His stats don't tell the story of how he was uncompetitive in the fourth quarter of elimination games. How one of his Rockets team notoriously brought themselves out of the brink of elimination while Harden sat for that fourth quarter.

Regardless, none of that or any playoff stats matter to regular season playing time. You know when defenses don't zone in on specfic role players? That's right, the regular season. Pritchard doesn't deserve playing time with this guard loaded Celtics roster, but he could very well get time on some team in the league.

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Yeah your right, Harden and Pritchard are basically the same player. I'm glad I get to talk ball with knowers like you.

What team would he get more than what he gets now? He's not getting that from good teams because, you know, they are good because they have many players who are better than Pritchard. He's not getting that from bad teams because 1. they also have many players who are better than Pritchard and 2. even if they didn't, they are better served giving that playing time to someone with upside or someone who is on a team friendly contract.


I already know I've been a Celtics fan longer than you and I have more sound opinions. What you've been saying this whole time is all over the place and contradictory to itself repeatedly.

If you think Pritchard isn't that good, more power to your minority opinion.
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Post#647 » by BostonCouchGM » Wed Apr 12, 2023 7:36 am

at one time people thought FVV, Lowry, Conley, and Brunson weren't capable of being above average starters. Even fans of the teams they played on, much like PP and our fanbase, were always dreaming about bigger and brighter things. Maybe they wanted a FA, trade target or long athletic recent draft pick. Whatever it was, they decided, despite them never really being given an opportunity, that they lacked the ability to be great.

The truth is, when you don't have "NBA size" like Pritchard and those guys, you aren't afforded the benefit of the doubt. It takes a lot of perseverance to keep grinding until you hopefully get that one opportunity to prove otherwise. Pritchard won't get that in BOS. He's just as talented and capable as all of those guys and could produce at the peak levels they've all reached, but it will have to be somewhere else. Some people need to see it first before they can believe it. Nothing wrong with that. Not everyone is adept at evaluating prospects/players. No point wasting time trying to convince them.
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Post#651 » by ryan in Maine » Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:56 pm

I think he'll do ok.
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Post#652 » by snowman » Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:25 pm

I'm sure Brad helped push this through so Pritchard could get a bit more exposure, to boost his value in trade options. Brad nor Mazzulla seem to like small point guards due to the switching on defense and getting singled out by the other team. I was really surprised when they drafted JD as well, for the same reason. I could see one of the last moves Brad makes for the summer after signing Brown is trading Pritchard for a bigger point guard in a three-team trade or something like that.
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Post#653 » by Fencer reregistered » Fri Jul 21, 2023 11:31 pm

snowman wrote:I'm sure Brad helped push this through so Pritchard could get a bit more exposure, to boost his value in trade options. Brad nor Mazzulla seem to like small point guards due to the switching on defense and getting singled out by the other team. I was really surprised when they drafted JD as well, for the same reason. I could see one of the last moves Brad makes for the summer after signing Brown is trading Pritchard for a bigger point guard in a three-team trade or something like that.


The other guards on the team are Cade Cunningham, Jalen Green, and Quentin Grimes.

That said, Cunningham was invited to be on the actual national team, but declined for reasons of injury rehab or whatever.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/usa-select-team-fiba-basketball-world-cup-training-roster/tbftjmxai61zsipjzpitm7fp

I also think there's less concern about defensively dubious guards given the increased emphasis on shotblocking bigs.
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Post#654 » by bucknersrevenge » Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:20 pm

This move has the dual benefit of raising his overall profile in the league, getting him in front of more eyes and thus boosting his cache and trade value. Simultaneously, it's a huge boost of confidence for a young player who absolutely lost a whole season last year ahead of his next contract and hopefully it springboards him into a camp and a productive upcoming season.
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Post#655 » by Elrod is Back » Tue Jul 25, 2023 7:05 pm

In the new world order of being over the 2nd apron for most of the rest of this decade (after the 23-24 season), if makes sense for the Cs to extend Pritchard. They will not be able to sign anything but vet minimums in the market.
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Post#656 » by 165bows » Sat Aug 5, 2023 5:06 pm

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Agree with the comments, PP needs to keep the hair. Also, Walker Kessler is super under rated. PPS Jalen Brunson can’t even keep PP from driving to the hoop and scoring.
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Post#657 » by return2glory » Sat Aug 5, 2023 10:14 pm

Payton is probably the most underrated player on the Celtics.

So many people wrote him off because he didn't progress. The thing is people forget or don't understand we were loaded in the PG position last season with Smart, White and Brogdon.

Payton should have a bigger role this season with the Celtics and I'm routing for him. He is going to show people just how good he is. I really like him coming out of Oregon and still believe in him.
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Post#658 » by dans1230 » Mon Aug 7, 2023 12:02 pm

He is a more than capeable backup for this team or really any team. This is a great experience for him and his growth.
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Post#659 » by 165bows » Mon Aug 7, 2023 10:16 pm

So we are looking at a PP extension or what?
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Post#660 » by Tatumfor2 » Mon Aug 7, 2023 11:41 pm

165bows wrote:So we are looking at a PP extension or what?



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