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Re: Hawks Open to Trading Trae Young 

Post#61 » by tiderulz » Tue Apr 11, 2023 9:32 pm

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Fair. So if you were the GM would you make a call or no?

honestly, i would not. He is not that transcendant


Does he have to be transcendent to make a call? Couldn't he just be better than what we have in our backcourt currently. Even if you wouldn't offer what I said. You would;t see what the price is?

he does because he is so problematic to build around. considering what players have been going for, it will be 3 picks and a player
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Re: Hawks Open to Trading Trae Young 

Post#62 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Tue Apr 11, 2023 11:26 pm

Gary or Isaac Cole & Both Picks this year.
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Re: Hawks Open to Trading Trae Young 

Post#63 » by Bensational » Tue Apr 11, 2023 11:41 pm

I’m quite surprised that Travis Schoenberg wasn’t able to do a better job trying to recreate the Warriors around Trae. He never found Trae his Klay or Draymond.

The Pacers, meanwhile, have added shooting by the bucketload. So have the Kings.

One thing I’ve noticed is that ring chasing veterans aren’t racing to join either of Trae or Luka just yet despite both having recent conference finals appearances. I think both will be powerful forces in the league in the future, but maybe they’re not recognised as being ready to win with a team yet?
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Re: Hawks Open to Trading Trae Young 

Post#64 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Tue Apr 11, 2023 11:43 pm

Bensational wrote:I’m quite surprised that Travis Schoenberg wasn’t able to do a better job trying to recreate the Warriors around Trae. He never found Trae his Klay or Draymond.

The Pacers, meanwhile, have added shooting by the bucketload. So have the Kings.

One thing I’ve noticed is that ring chasing veterans aren’t racing to join either of Trae or Luka just yet despite both having recent conference finals appearances. I think both will be powerful forces in the league in the future, but maybe they’re not recognised as being ready to win with a team yet?


Atlanta FO has done a terrible job of putting a roster around Trae that’s for sure
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Re: Hawks Open to Trading Trae Young 

Post#65 » by drsd » Wed Apr 12, 2023 10:28 am

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:Gary or Isaac Cole & Both Picks this year.


This would be as lopsided as when the Lakers traded Kwame Brown for Paul Gasol. Always worth a re-watch.

(( The funny thing about the trade is that it was Gasol's brother than changed the Griz fortunes in this ))

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Re: Hawks Open to Trading Trae Young 

Post#66 » by Ball4life32 » Wed Apr 12, 2023 10:41 am

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If he were a stud nobody would be open to trading him.

Tiny PGs are fools gold. Just like perimeter Cs. They’ll put up stats but your team is guaranteed to go nowhere.


There are many studs that get traded. This year alone.

We've seen it takes more than 2 really good players to be elite. (Dallas, WAS, ATL, LAC, LAL, MIN, etc.)


There is a difference between a player demanding a trade and a team simply willing to trade someone. Hawks know Trae is not winning anything if he’s your best player or even just a starter. Hopefully Magic know that too and don’t do anything stupid.

So Trae gets the hawks farthest they’ve even been in their history and just two years later before he’s even in his prime they now think he can’t even be a starter? Lol
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Re: Hawks Open to Trading Trae Young 

Post#67 » by basketballRob » Wed Apr 12, 2023 10:49 am

I'd rather have Kyrie. Trae is just way too bad defensively, and the price would be high.

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Re: Hawks Open to Trading Trae Young 

Post#68 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Wed Apr 12, 2023 11:41 am

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MartinsIzAfraud wrote:Gary or Isaac Cole & Both Picks this year.


This would be as lopsided as when the Lakers traded Kwame Brown for Paul Gasol. Always worth a re-watch.

(( The funny thing about the trade is that it was Gasol's brother than changed the Griz fortunes in this ))


Probably wouldn’t be enough from Atlanta viewpoint honestly. Hawks will want to retool not rebuild unless they move Collins as well.
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Re: Hawks Open to Trading Trae Young 

Post#69 » by pepe1991 » Wed Apr 12, 2023 12:13 pm

I was pretty vocal of how poorly Hawks rebuild was heading when they were in asset collection part, they did flush out some solid role players (Capela, Bogdan) but it all went south once they filled salary with Trae's and Collins massive exstensions.

I don't think they need to rebuild and blow it up, but there is clear need for retool and roster reconstruction.
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Re: Hawks Open to Trading Trae Young 

Post#70 » by drsd » Wed Apr 12, 2023 12:46 pm

basketballRob wrote:I'd rather have Kyrie. Trae is just way too bad defensively, and the price would be high.


If there is some metaverse world where the Hawks would trade Young for Fultz, Isaac, and two FRPs, of course Orlando has to agree to that.

The Magic starts the off-season as:

Young/Anthony
Suggs/Houstan
F-Wagner/Okeke/Schofield
Banchero/M-Wagner/
Carter/Bitadze

With a high SRP and some 20M in cap space. Orlando just drafts the best upperclass Big (e.g. Trayce Jackson-Davis), re-ups Kevon Harris on a normal contract and adds some random three Two-way players.

Young/Anthony
Suggs/Houstan/Harris
F-Wagner/Okeke/Schofield
Banchero/M-Wagner/Jackson-Davis
Carter/Bitadze

Then play out the season to see if Suggs needs to be upgraded to a classical SG or actually compliments Young, then we can look at some massive salaries to spend internally on retaining this roster.

This is not the roster I would want to build, but if Young is on-offer, Magic brass has to go for this.


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Re: Hawks Open to Trading Trae Young 

Post#71 » by JBSouthpaw » Wed Apr 12, 2023 12:50 pm

pepe1991 wrote:I was pretty vocal of how poorly Hawks rebuild was heading when they were in asset collection part, they did flush out some solid role players (Capela, Bogdan) but it all went south once they filled salary with Trae's and Collins massive exstensions.

I don't think they need to rebuild and blow it up, but there is clear need for retool and roster reconstruction.


I'd add Hunter to their home grown support players.
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Re: Hawks Open to Trading Trae Young 

Post#72 » by Message Boar » Wed Apr 12, 2023 1:01 pm

KillMonger wrote:Kinda tempting but Trae for some reason seems to wear out the team..... Getting coaches fired..... Having issues with teammates..... Pass

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Yeah, same.

Not that I'm completely disinterested in the talent, but for the price it would cost us, I'd be out on it. Also, scheming around his defensive limitation would be difficult for teams with aspirations to go deep in the postseason (which we'll hopefully be in 2-3 years).
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Re: Hawks Open to Trading Trae Young 

Post#73 » by Last Guardian » Wed Apr 12, 2023 3:06 pm

Ball4life32 wrote:
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There are many studs that get traded. This year alone.

We've seen it takes more than 2 really good players to be elite. (Dallas, WAS, ATL, LAC, LAL, MIN, etc.)


There is a difference between a player demanding a trade and a team simply willing to trade someone. Hawks know Trae is not winning anything if he’s your best player or even just a starter. Hopefully Magic know that too and don’t do anything stupid.

So Trae gets the hawks farthest they’ve even been in their history and just two years later before he’s even in his prime they now think he can’t even be a starter? Lol


Well they are open to trading him so that pretty much answers your question. Not sure what point you’re even trying to make.

But sure Trae is incredibly amazing and his team is ok with trading him just because. Imagine if we traded TMac and Dwight because we actually wanted to lmao. Actual franchise players might demand a trade but their team is never really willing to trade them. This isn’t that hard to follow
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Re: Hawks Open to Trading Trae Young 

Post#74 » by Ball4life32 » Wed Apr 12, 2023 3:24 pm

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There is a difference between a player demanding a trade and a team simply willing to trade someone. Hawks know Trae is not winning anything if he’s your best player or even just a starter. Hopefully Magic know that too and don’t do anything stupid.

So Trae gets the hawks farthest they’ve even been in their history and just two years later before he’s even in his prime they now think he can’t even be a starter? Lol


Well they are open to trading him so that pretty much answers your question. Not sure what point you’re even trying to make.

But sure Trae is incredibly amazing and his team is ok with trading him just because. Imagine if we traded TMac and Dwight because we actually wanted to lmao. Actual franchise players might demand a trade but their team is never really willing to trade them. This isn’t that hard to follow

The report is from KOC from the ringer… has he ever been right? And why would hawks leak they would consider trading Trae right as the playoffs are starting. Always rumors around the hawks that are never are true.
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Re: Hawks Open to Trading Trae Young 

Post#75 » by basketballRob » Wed Apr 12, 2023 4:12 pm

He's amazing at offense and possibly the worst defender in the NBA.

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Re: Hawks Open to Trading Trae Young 

Post#76 » by Blue_and_Whte » Thu Apr 13, 2023 9:31 pm

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tooler wrote:I'm less concerned about the player than the cost. Don't bet the farm on one-way players that can be exploited in the playoffs. You're just setting yourself up for misery.

I'm concerned about this as well. Undeniable scoring talent, his defense is awful but i feel like a switching team with length can maybe make up for it, the got the ECF. For me between the issue with the coaches, other players, fit, timing. Just doesn't feel right to. IDK could be fine.

EDIT: Additionally are we better after giving up whatever version of the farm looks like? Because thats what they'll ask for.

they made the ECF, and then next year got bounced bad by Miami and this year barely made playoffs. that ECF like a big fluke

THats what I mean. It just doesnt feel right to me.
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Re: Hawks Open to Trading Trae Young 

Post#77 » by tooler » Thu Apr 13, 2023 9:53 pm

Funny thing is if he looks good in the playoffs, the price goes up. If he sucks, we won’t want him. It’s a lose-lose in the trade market right now.
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Re: Hawks Open to Trading Trae Young 

Post#78 » by Knightro » Thu Apr 13, 2023 10:31 pm

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pepe1991 wrote:I was pretty vocal of how poorly Hawks rebuild was heading when they were in asset collection part, they did flush out some solid role players (Capela, Bogdan) but it all went south once they filled salary with Trae's and Collins massive exstensions.

I don't think they need to rebuild and blow it up, but there is clear need for retool and roster reconstruction.


I'd add Hunter to their home grown support players.


Except he's not very good.
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Re: Hawks Open to Trading Trae Young 

Post#79 » by Rainwater » Fri Apr 14, 2023 12:12 am

orthoman wrote:In the news today...

I would trade everyone, including draft picks, except.

Paolo
Franz
WCJ
Fultz
Suggs
Cole

Thought from the Forum?


I understand being a fan but you can't give up nothing to get something, lol.
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Re: Hawks Open to Trading Trae Young 

Post#80 » by Rainwater » Fri Apr 14, 2023 12:26 am

I have mixed feelings about Trae while he is a great playmaker that makes a team better to a certain point, he is an inefficient chucker and with bad defense. While people will correctly point to his TS% as an indicator of a good scorer, it doesn't show how bad of a shooter he really is. Due to his free throw shooting the TS% stat masks his poor shooting. With all that being would I take him? yes. However, Paolo has to be the primary option with Trae as secondary option, and the magic needs a defender at the two to mask his defensive issues.

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