Team Offense vs Team Defense

[rand]

Who wins a best of 7 with today's rules/refs/coaches? Everyone in average prime condition.

Team Offense
Steve Nash
Reggie Miller
Carmelo Anthony
Dirk Nowitzki
Karl-Anthony Towns

Team Defense
Gary Payton
Paul George
Ron Artest
Draymond Green
Marc Gasol

[TheLand13]

Who wins a best of 7 with today's rules/refs/coaches? Everyone in average prime condition.

Team Offense
Steve Nash
Reggie Miller
Carmelo Anthony
Dirk Nowitzki
Karl-Anthony Towns

Team Defense
Gary Payton
Paul George
Ron Artest
Draymond Green
Marc Gasol

Team defense is still too talented offensively to the point where this isn't really much of a contest. Granted, the shooting of team offense is absurd, but to an extent, so is the defensive minded team. Keep in mind that Draymond at his best offensively was actually a pretty decent shooter so it's not like you could just get away with leaving him open.

It's not like team offense isn't going to get their buckets, they absolutely are. I just think the options you picked for team defense are too talented on offense to the point where they can take advantage of the lack of defense provided by the other team.

[rand]

Who wins a best of 7 with today's rules/refs/coaches? Everyone in average prime condition.

Team Offense
Steve Nash
Reggie Miller
Carmelo Anthony
Dirk Nowitzki
Karl-Anthony Towns

Team Defense
Gary Payton
Paul George
Ron Artest
Draymond Green
Marc Gasol

Team defense is still too talented offensively to the point where this isn't really much of a contest. Granted, the shooting of team offense is absurd, but to an extent, so is the defensive minded team. Keep in mind that Draymond at his best offensively was actually a pretty decent shooter so it's not like you could just get away with leaving him open.

It's not like team offense isn't going to get their buckets, they absolutely are. I just think the options you picked for team defense are too talented on offense to the point where they can take advantage of the lack of defense provided by the other team.

Remember that these players come in an average prime season condition, not necessarily their peak. So for Draymond you would get one of the versions between 2015-2019, or perhaps an average of them all, rather than automatically get 2016 when Draymond was at his best offensively.

I really want to give Team Defense a good offense but to stack the teams statistically close to even which I think I've done based on BPM and RAPM. I think Team Offense comes out slightly ahead on BPM and slightly behind on RAPM. I think a lot depends on how much one views the offensive stack as giving diminishing returns even with good synergy in the players. But perhaps Team Defense is too strong offensively. What's the smallest offensive downgrade in the Team Defense lineup you could suggest that makes the teams dead even?

[IdolW0rm]

Who wins a best of 7 with today's rules/refs/coaches? Everyone in average prime condition.

Team Offense
Steve Nash
Reggie Miller
Carmelo Anthony
Dirk Nowitzki
Karl-Anthony Towns

Team Defense
Gary Payton
Paul George
Ron Artest
Draymond Green
Marc Gasol

Team defense is still too talented offensively to the point where this isn't really much of a contest. Granted, the shooting of team offense is absurd, but to an extent, so is the defensive minded team. Keep in mind that Draymond at his best offensively was actually a pretty decent shooter so it's not like you could just get away with leaving him open.

It's not like team offense isn't going to get their buckets, they absolutely are. I just think the options you picked for team defense are too talented on offense to the point where they can take advantage of the lack of defense provided by the other team.

Remember that these players come in an average prime season condition, not necessarily their peak. So for Draymond you would get one of the versions between 2015-2019, or perhaps an average of them all, rather than automatically get 2016 when Draymond was at his best offensively.

I really want to give Team Defense a good offense but to stack the teams statistically close to even which I think I've done based on BPM and RAPM. I think Team Offense comes out slightly ahead on BPM and slightly behind on RAPM. I think a lot depends on how much one views the offensive stack as giving diminishing returns even with good synergy in the players. But perhaps Team Defense is too strong offensively. What's the smallest offensive downgrade in the Team Defense lineup you could suggest that makes the teams dead even?

Ron Harper for PG and it should be pretty even I think.

[TheLand13]

Who wins a best of 7 with today's rules/refs/coaches? Everyone in average prime condition.

Team Offense
Steve Nash
Reggie Miller
Carmelo Anthony
Dirk Nowitzki
Karl-Anthony Towns

Team Defense
Gary Payton
Paul George
Ron Artest
Draymond Green
Marc Gasol

Team defense is still too talented offensively to the point where this isn't really much of a contest. Granted, the shooting of team offense is absurd, but to an extent, so is the defensive minded team. Keep in mind that Draymond at his best offensively was actually a pretty decent shooter so it's not like you could just get away with leaving him open.

It's not like team offense isn't going to get their buckets, they absolutely are. I just think the options you picked for team defense are too talented on offense to the point where they can take advantage of the lack of defense provided by the other team.

Remember that these players come in an average prime season condition, not necessarily their peak. So for Draymond you would get one of the versions between 2015-2019, or perhaps an average of them all, rather than automatically get 2016 when Draymond was at his best offensively.

I really want to give Team Defense a good offense but to stack the teams statistically close to even which I think I've done based on BPM and RAPM. I think Team Offense comes out slightly ahead on BPM and slightly behind on RAPM. I think a lot depends on how much one views the offensive stack as giving diminishing returns even with good synergy in the players. But perhaps Team Defense is too strong offensively. What's the smallest offensive downgrade in the Team Defense lineup you could suggest that makes the teams dead even?

BPM and RAPM doesn't really apply here because the contest itself becomes matchup based. A players effectiveness can be severely reduced depending on who they are going up against. I'm pretty sure Towns, for example, is more than likely not going to reach his level of BPM and RAPM that he typically does when he's matched up against a prime Marc Gasol, who was an expert at being able to guard centers who could score from anywhere on the floor.

[canada_dry]

We need more of an all defense no offense team on team defense imo.

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[IdolW0rm]

We need more of an all defense no offense team on team defense imo.

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Thing is that team would lose 10/10 against an all-offense no defense team.
A team composing of TA, Sefolosha, Roberson, Outlaw and Deke isn't winning a single game against an all-offense team.

[Ron Swanson]

Ok, but we still need to have some lesser offensive players here. Payton and PG were legitimate MVP caliber two-way guys at one point of their careers, and guys like Artest and Gasol were incredibly good scorers/shooters and offensive players even if they were primarily known for their defense. As is, this is more like "Team Offense vs. Team Awesome Two-way Players", and the latter is going to win almost every time.