Chicago @ Miami, 4/14, 7pm EST

[IceColdCubano]

I don't think one game raised Lowry's value. I don't think he has any value in trade and may cost the first just to get him off the books. Expecting value in return is a tall order.

He's an expiring deal for teams looking to get out from long term money. He could work for teams that are looking to get out of luxury tax next year that have extensions looming. Maybe a team like Charlotte who has to sign PJ Washington and may be looking to deal someone like Rozier. We will have some options like that looming with that big expiring.

Right, look at what the Lakers did with Westbrook. Miami may just have to hold onto Lowry until next year's trade deadline.

Correct, Lowry at next years Trade deadline will be really sought after to help clear money, to the point they will give up some assets to make it worthwhile on the returning player. However I don't know if the Miami front office is going to aggressively try to turn this around by using Lowry/Duncan/Herro offseason trades to give Jimmy one last go at this before they completely do a full rebuild.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I don't think one game raised Lowry's value. I don't think he has any value in trade and may cost the first just to get him off the books. Expecting value in return is a tall order.

He's an expiring deal for teams looking to get out from long term money. He could work for teams that are looking to get out of luxury tax next year that have extensions looming. Maybe a team like Charlotte who has to sign PJ Washington and may be looking to deal someone like Rozier. We will have some options like that looming with that big expiring.

Right, look at what the Lakers did with Westbrook. Miami may just have to hold onto Lowry until next year's trade deadline.

Wouldn’t mind holding off there at all if there’s a bigger deal done in the offseason involving Herro. See how it plays out and decide if you need to make that Westbrook move at the deadline. This team flat out cannot come into next season with this same team though

[AirP.]

He's an expiring deal for teams looking to get out from long term money. He could work for teams that are looking to get out of luxury tax next year that have extensions looming. Maybe a team like Charlotte who has to sign PJ Washington and may be looking to deal someone like Rozier. We will have some options like that looming with that big expiring.

Right, look at what the Lakers did with Westbrook. Miami may just have to hold onto Lowry until next year's trade deadline.

Correct, Lowry at next years Trade deadline will be really sought after to help clear money, to the point they will give up some assets to make it worthwhile on the returning player. However I don't know if the Miami front office is going to aggressively try to turn this around by using Lowry/Duncan/Herro offseason trades to give Jimmy one last go at this before they completely do a full rebuild.

I don't think Butler is going anywhere unless he asks out which I doubt he does. Also, since he's not a volume scorer, I'm not sure Miami would get all that much value from him because the only teams that would be interested in him would be contenders and they'd be trying to offload lesser players/bad contracts with some assets to acquire him, they're not giving up major pieces to get Butler at 34 years old at his salary.

I think Butler was better than Miami had expected and with that didn't lay out a plan to build a team around him from the start. Sure, smaller moves were made to enhance a particular season but nothing really big happened. The Lowry thing is a huge mess, Miami struck out on their 2021 plan and when they extended Bam a year early, they replaced his low cap hold with a max contract reducing their capspace they had too outright sign Lowry as a FA (they could have turned down Dragic and Leonard's player options opening up 30 mil in space also) which made Miami send their recent 1st round pick as sweetener in a S&T. This FO really screwed up their future extending Bam a year early by costing themselves an asset. Should we also mention the 2nd round picks tossed in the last few years to get KZ and Dedmon off the roster?

[IceColdCubano]

Right, look at what the Lakers did with Westbrook. Miami may just have to hold onto Lowry until next year's trade deadline.

Correct, Lowry at next years Trade deadline will be really sought after to help clear money, to the point they will give up some assets to make it worthwhile on the returning player. However I don't know if the Miami front office is going to aggressively try to turn this around by using Lowry/Duncan/Herro offseason trades to give Jimmy one last go at this before they completely do a full rebuild.

I don't think Butler is going anywhere unless he asks out which I doubt he does. Also, since he's not a volume scorer, I'm not sure Miami would get all that much value from him because the only teams that would be interested in him would be contenders and they'd be trying to offload lesser players/bad contracts with some assets to acquire him, they're not giving up major pieces to get Butler at 34 years old at his salary.

I think Butler was better than Miami had expected and with that didn't lay out a plan to build a team around him from the start. Sure, smaller moves were made to enhance a particular season but nothing really big happened. The Lowry thing is a huge mess, Miami struck out on their 2021 plan and when they extended Bam a year early, they replaced his low cap hold with a max contract reducing their capspace they had too outright sign Lowry as a FA (they could have turned down Dragic and Leonard's player options opening up 30 mil in space also) which made Miami send their recent 1st round pick as sweetener in a S&T. This FO really screwed up their future extending Bam a year early by costing themselves an asset. Should we also mention the 2nd round picks tossed in the last few years to get KZ and Dedmon off the roster?

that's ok there a couple of contenders out there whom have plenty of picks to gift out for a player in the Jimmy range whom can get them over the hump to a title. We don't need quality players in return Assets are good enough to be able to turn around and use for a superstar on another team.

[AirP.]

Correct, Lowry at next years Trade deadline will be really sought after to help clear money, to the point they will give up some assets to make it worthwhile on the returning player. However I don't know if the Miami front office is going to aggressively try to turn this around by using Lowry/Duncan/Herro offseason trades to give Jimmy one last go at this before they completely do a full rebuild.

I don't think Butler is going anywhere unless he asks out which I doubt he does. Also, since he's not a volume scorer, I'm not sure Miami would get all that much value from him because the only teams that would be interested in him would be contenders and they'd be trying to offload lesser players/bad contracts with some assets to acquire him, they're not giving up major pieces to get Butler at 34 years old at his salary.

I think Butler was better than Miami had expected and with that didn't lay out a plan to build a team around him from the start. Sure, smaller moves were made to enhance a particular season but nothing really big happened. The Lowry thing is a huge mess, Miami struck out on their 2021 plan and when they extended Bam a year early, they replaced his low cap hold with a max contract reducing their capspace they had too outright sign Lowry as a FA (they could have turned down Dragic and Leonard's player options opening up 30 mil in space also) which made Miami send their recent 1st round pick as sweetener in a S&T. This FO really screwed up their future extending Bam a year early by costing themselves an asset. Should we also mention the 2nd round picks tossed in the last few years to get KZ and Dedmon off the roster?

that's ok there a couple of contenders out there whom have plenty of picks to gift out for a player in the Jimmy range whom can get them over the hump to a title. We don't need quality players in return Assets are good enough to be able to turn around and use for a superstar on another team.

Good luck outbidding teams like OKC, Porland, New York and on and on. The track record since LeBron left hasn't been good except for Butler forcing himself to Miami..

Also, these "contenders" have to come up with the salaries to trade for Butler at age 34 and at 45 million. There's not going to be many teams that can do that money without gutting their team and give decent assets.

[Bishop45]

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[IceColdCubano]

I don't think Butler is going anywhere unless he asks out which I doubt he does. Also, since he's not a volume scorer, I'm not sure Miami would get all that much value from him because the only teams that would be interested in him would be contenders and they'd be trying to offload lesser players/bad contracts with some assets to acquire him, they're not giving up major pieces to get Butler at 34 years old at his salary.

I think Butler was better than Miami had expected and with that didn't lay out a plan to build a team around him from the start. Sure, smaller moves were made to enhance a particular season but nothing really big happened. The Lowry thing is a huge mess, Miami struck out on their 2021 plan and when they extended Bam a year early, they replaced his low cap hold with a max contract reducing their capspace they had too outright sign Lowry as a FA (they could have turned down Dragic and Leonard's player options opening up 30 mil in space also) which made Miami send their recent 1st round pick as sweetener in a S&T. This FO really screwed up their future extending Bam a year early by costing themselves an asset. Should we also mention the 2nd round picks tossed in the last few years to get KZ and Dedmon off the roster?

that's ok there a couple of contenders out there whom have plenty of picks to gift out for a player in the Jimmy range whom can get them over the hump to a title. We don't need quality players in return Assets are good enough to be able to turn around and use for a superstar on another team.

Good luck outbidding teams like OKC, Porland, New York and on and on. The track record since LeBron left hasn't been good except for Butler forcing himself to Miami..

Also, these "contenders" have to come up with the salaries to trade for Butler at age 34 and at 45 million. There's not going to be many teams that can do that money without gutting their team and give decent assets.

Stop making so much damn sense dude, its giving me a headache, I want to live in a fantasy where we can turn this ship around quickly and not take 4-5 Years to get away from this build.

[Bishop45]

Rather Bucks than C's tbh, I think this is C's finals trip to lose

But much rather lotto pick, so pls

[RexBoyWonder]

we really need to lose this game, not only will it spare us an agonizing sweep by Giannis, it will significantly improve our draft pick - with some luck we jump from pick #14 into the top 10

[AirP.]

that's ok there a couple of contenders out there whom have plenty of picks to gift out for a player in the Jimmy range whom can get them over the hump to a title. We don't need quality players in return Assets are good enough to be able to turn around and use for a superstar on another team.

Good luck outbidding teams like OKC, Porland, New York and on and on. The track record since LeBron left hasn't been good except for Butler forcing himself to Miami..

Also, these "contenders" have to come up with the salaries to trade for Butler at age 34 and at 45 million. There's not going to be many teams that can do that money without gutting their team and give decent assets.

Stop making so much damn sense dude, its giving me a headache, I want to live in a fantasy where we can turn this ship around quickly and not take 4-5 Years to get away from this build.

4-5 years? Bam will be 29-30 years old as an undersized center. If you keep Herro he'll be 27-28 and completely use to taking 20-25 shots a game leaving I don't know how many shots for other players to develop with. If you blow it up you gotta really blow it up which would mean possibly Pat's last years at building a team was a complete failure.

I think the biggest issue for Miami is there seems to be a huge disconnect between Spoelstra and the FO. I can't see how you pay D.Robinson a huge contract and let him fall out of the rotation in year 2 of a 5 year deal. If Spoelstra didn't want him that's on the FO but if Spoelstra did want him at that price, the FO should have moved the players who Spoelstra decided to play in front of him and MAKE him utilize the player he wanted paid. The organization can't just be done with a player after 2 years of a 5 year contract at a big number, it's a huge misuse of resources. Honestly... would Miami be a better team had they traded Strus for a PF forcing Spoelstra to utilize Duncan? They got Dragic out of the way and kept him out of the way(not bringing him back on the minimum) for Vincent, the FO let Nunn walk to make room for Herro, why not move Strus to try to extract some value out of Robinson if nothing more than to move him as a less negative asset?

[ShulaDon92]

that's ok there a couple of contenders out there whom have plenty of picks to gift out for a player in the Jimmy range whom can get them over the hump to a title. We don't need quality players in return Assets are good enough to be able to turn around and use for a superstar on another team.

Good luck outbidding teams like OKC, Porland, New York and on and on. The track record since LeBron left hasn't been good except for Butler forcing himself to Miami..

Also, these "contenders" have to come up with the salaries to trade for Butler at age 34 and at 45 million. There's not going to be many teams that can do that money without gutting their team and give decent assets.

Stop making so much damn sense dude, its giving me a headache, I want to live in a fantasy where we can turn this ship around quickly and not take 4-5 Years to get away from this build.

[AirP.]

Good luck outbidding teams like OKC, Porland, New York and on and on. The track record since LeBron left hasn't been good except for Butler forcing himself to Miami..

Also, these "contenders" have to come up with the salaries to trade for Butler at age 34 and at 45 million. There's not going to be many teams that can do that money without gutting their team and give decent assets.

Stop making so much damn sense dude, its giving me a headache, I want to live in a fantasy where we can turn this ship around quickly and not take 4-5 Years to get away from this build.

[ShulaDon92]

these are the latest metrics...


-shula

[ShulaDon92]

Looking at these metrix I think Bam had a very productive game as an all-arounder. Bam's not the probllem, he's holding down the fort.

We need moar halp

-s

[ShulaDon92]

If Herro/Strus hit them 3 bombs, it's all a different instagram story.

-s

[ShulaDon92]

Butler/Bam combo on the 3 ballz:

EGG.

-s

[ShulaDon92]

Lowry:
welcome back from the dead.

fantastic metrix

[ShulaDon92]

Butler:
6-19. no le threes bombed.

not enuff

[ShulaDon92]

Lowrys metrix @-12. not a good sign of team success.

[Lennyzinho]

Lowrys metrix @-12. not a good sign of team success.

Because when he was in the game they'd switch bam and then launch 3's and Capela or Johnson or John Collins would scoop up the o.boards and slam it back. He was a liability in defense and rebounding. Not all on him, it was more scheme and personnel on the floor. He had a great game overall. He wasn't the problem for once. It was spo not playing zeller over strus or Martin among other things.