Should James Harden have more all nba selections than Stephen Curry?

[NBA4Lyfe]

Losing in the playoffs is one thing but being always bad when the stakes are high is another thing

a loss is a loss, and once again, im talking about the REGULAR SEASON, stay on focus

you cant come up with another reason why harden has been blacklisted to prop up curry other than use the playoffs lol. Like no other sport does this. The NBA is not a real sport, its entertainment at best. How many times did Peyton Manning choke in the playoffs and he still won multiple mvps because of his stellar regular season play

you keep bringing up the playoffs, and i can name several athletes who still were rewarded for their regular season excellence despite not showing up in big games

Peyton Manning is a all-time great QB,not the case for Harden.Peyton Manning has been in 4 super bowl,so this is not that bad!

peyton manning on the colts was the number 1 seed like 6 straight years and kept choking. what are you talking about, He played rex grossman in the superbowl which he won, but he didnt play well. He threw a game ending pick six againist the saints in another superbowl, The other superbowl he was supposed to beat seattle and had the worst blowout loss in superbowl history and his last superbowl was when he was carried by his defense againist cam newton. You have no idea what you are talking about

peyton manning choked a lot in the playoffs as a number 1 seed, and he had way more talent on his teams than the teams he lost too

[LakersLegacy]

Harden has some fans and that’s really cool.

Obviously Harden over use of herky-jerky flopping had an impact on the voters of the award.

When things seem like a gimmick and then you lose 0-4 in the Western Conference Finals. Flopping also seen as a low integrity for the game/unacceptable sportsmanship reputation killing thing to many

[WarriorGM]

The truth is they are both being damned with faint praise because they aren't with Nike. Both of them should have more accolades.

[Roger Murdock]

Harden missed too many games in 2021 and it was a very average year for Harden in 2022....Nothing to do with Curry

harden played in 44 games in 2021

lebron played in 45 games in 2021 and made all-nba 2nd team

once again collusion by the nba voters to make sure curry finishes with more awards than harden, thats all

What if I told you I have a simple explanation for that

LeBron is better than Harden

[BoatsNZones]

You're talking about that 2nd option journeyman who could never get by Curry in the post-season?

[CobraCommander]

Short answer:

No!

Long Answer:

Hell No!!!!!

Close the thread

[CobraCommander]

:lol:

You're talking about that 2nd option journeyman who could never get by Curry in the post-season?

You gotta win and at least beat the man to be compared to the man

[Fadeaway_Jumper]

People want Jokic’s lack of playoff success ignored when talking about winning a 3rd MVP, giving him a total surpassing Shaq and Duncan combined

But when it comes to awarding Harden regular season accolades playoff success matters.

There is a big media bias against Harden and you’re 100% right OP. People will call him a ball hog even when he sacrifices his scoring and leads the league in assists

[skones]

It's always hilarious to me when guys who have played elsewhere in their careers, particularly their peaks, have fans of their late career team suddenly stan for their entire career.

[NBA4Lyfe]

Harden missed too many games in 2021 and it was a very average year for Harden in 2022....Nothing to do with Curry

harden played in 44 games in 2021

lebron played in 45 games in 2021 and made all-nba 2nd team

once again collusion by the nba voters to make sure curry finishes with more awards than harden, thats all

What if I told you I have a simple explanation for that

LeBron is better than Harden

lebron wasnt better than harden in 2021.. check the stats homie

[NBA4Lyfe]

People want Jokic’s lack of playoff success ignored when talking about winning a 3rd MVP, giving him a total surpassing Shaq and Duncan combined

But when it comes to awarding Harden regular season accolades playoff success matters.

There is a big media bias against Harden and you’re 100% right OP. People will call him a ball hog even when he sacrifices his scoring and leads the league in assists

kobe said harden would never win playing that iso ball in houston, so harden gets out of houston, and proceeds to average close to 11 assists 3 straight years in brooklyn and philly while having a career low usage rate those 3 seasons and the media doesnt reward him with a single all-nba selection for becoming a natural pg on the fly, i think harden's usage rate this year was only 23%( which is incredible because his box score metrics show he probably should have more usage). But Harden is sacrificing for embiid and maxey

[Myth]

This is the 2nd thread in a week where this OP has tries to convince people there is a conspiracy theory against Harden. It was a bad take then and remains a bad take.

[michaelm]

Not a superstar like Curry so no.

yea that superstar really looked great the year klay was out huh, curry would be mike bibby/trae young if he wasnt surrounded by elite 2 way wings his entire prime

He played 5 games and they then tanked the season.

As has been said, Curry has usually murdered Harden in the play-offs which counts in regard to people's perceptions, particularly the 2019 WCF series when he/GSW beat Houston with the elite wings injured or absent. The other thing is that people hated Moreyball, spamming for 3 FTs might be the most efficient method of scoring but that isn't the same as it being enjoyable to watch, even apart from having been rather well proven not to be as effective in the play-offs, which again feeds back into how it is perceived by those who vote for the regular season award. Curry usually tries fairly hard to actually make his 3 point shots, and Curry also has the only ever unanimous MVP award, a level never reached by Harden.

But have it your way, if you want to call Harden the superior regular season player be my guest, I will take the 4 titles. I do think Harden is a great PG btw and recent NBA history might have been very different if OKC hadn't been too cheap to keep him alongside Durant.

[Homer38]

a loss is a loss, and once again, im talking about the REGULAR SEASON, stay on focus

you cant come up with another reason why harden has been blacklisted to prop up curry other than use the playoffs lol. Like no other sport does this. The NBA is not a real sport, its entertainment at best. How many times did Peyton Manning choke in the playoffs and he still won multiple mvps because of his stellar regular season play

you keep bringing up the playoffs, and i can name several athletes who still were rewarded for their regular season excellence despite not showing up in big games

Peyton Manning is a all-time great QB,not the case for Harden.Peyton Manning has been in 4 super bowl,so this is not that bad!

peyton manning on the colts was the number 1 seed like 6 straight years and kept choking. what are you talking about, He played rex grossman in the superbowl which he won, but he didnt play well. He threw a game ending pick six againist the saints in another superbowl, The other superbowl he was supposed to beat seattle and had the worst blowout loss in superbowl history and his last superbowl was when he was carried by his defense againist cam newton. You have no idea what you are talking about

peyton manning choked a lot in the playoffs as a number 1 seed, and he had way more talent on his teams than the teams he lost too

The colts with Peyton Manning have been in the first seed only twice(2005 and 2009),not 6 straight year,so try other thing....

[Homer38]

People want Jokic’s lack of playoff success ignored when talking about winning a 3rd MVP, giving him a total surpassing Shaq and Duncan combined

But when it comes to awarding Harden regular season accolades playoff success matters.

There is a big media bias against Harden and you’re 100% right OP. People will call him a ball hog even when he sacrifices his scoring and leads the league in assists

The way the player perform in the playoffs matter,win or lose

[NBA4Lyfe]

So like I predicted, steph curry this season did not even play enough games to have his season officially qualify amongst the league leaders and somehow, someway because the nba media wants to continue to grow the gap of accolades between harden and curry to make curry seem in another tier than harden they have screw harden out of an deserved selection

The warriors as team this year had a bunch of infighting, who could forget the draymond sucker punch of Poole. And then the warriors proceed to go on to post what may have been the worst road record for a playoff team since the merger. Also harden was left off an all nba team despite being under the same circumstances that Luka and dame lillard were under this year

Harden has finished on the basketball reference mvp tracker 3 straight years and has yet to make an all nba team. This is collusion at the highest order amongst nba media most likely orchestrated by ex players president Chris Paul, because harden isn’t cozying up to media members and praises klutch sports they screw him out of the all star game. First time also since the merger a player led the league in assists at the all star break and didn’t make the all star team.

So what are we gonna do to fix this problem, because harden and curry were both drafted in 2009, and despite harden starting his first 3 years as a 6th man, harden has somehow amassed more career vorp, win shares and a higher career bpm than curry

[NBA4Lyfe]

James harden whether people wanna admit it or not has had more all nba seasons in his career than whether that be because curry had season ending injuries and didn’t qualify for the end of season honors. Harden has had more seasons on basketball reference that qualified for all nba than curry. Sucks the nba is not governed like a real sport like the mlb, nfl or even the nhl.

[NBA4Lyfe]

People want Jokic’s lack of playoff success ignored when talking about winning a 3rd MVP, giving him a total surpassing Shaq and Duncan combined

But when it comes to awarding Harden regular season accolades playoff success matters.

There is a big media bias against Harden and you’re 100% right OP. People will call him a ball hog even when he sacrifices his scoring and leads the league in assists

I know I’m right

Luka and lillard can miss the playoffs and make all nba, while harden actually makes the playoffs in 2016 averaging 29/7/6 and leading the nba in total points scored and can’t make a single team

[DonaldSanders]

[naabzor]

and why has harden not made all nba the past 3 years.. collusion to make sure curry finishes with more all nba selections from the only other guard from the 2009 draft. Cant have harden lapping curry in awards. Harden despite starting his first 3 years on the bench has already amassed more career win shares, higher career mvp share rate, a higher career box plus minus, a higher career vorp, and a higer career win shares per 48 than stephen curry. The media voters who are stephen curry stans can not affect basketball reference, but they can affect the accolades being given out. I always believed the voters never wanted harden to win his 2nd mvp because they didnt want james to been seen in the same light as stephen curry

the past 3 seasons from nba.com's website harden has finished in the top 10 in total effiency and has not made an all nba team, collusion among nba voters to protect the golden one. Me thinks yes

And do not forget Harden amassed a grand total of zero rings.