Re drafting the 2018 draft.

[UcanUwill]

LOL, SGA is not the best player of the bunch. He is a stat stuffer on a bad team. He is basically Kevin Love, or Ricky Davis. SGA is a quality #3 on a contender.

This is a terrible take.

Maybe the worse take on REALGM in a while...

This whole stat stuffer on a bad team argument is dumb. To a point, there is such a thing, sure, I did believe Kevin Loves or Nikola Vucevic stats were empty and misleading, but are there really NBA teams where you can stuff meaningless stats? Yes, final week of the season, where some teams play G league rosters, Ben Uzohs get tripple doubles but over an entire season, is there is such a thing as 31.4 ppg. in the NBA that you can hate on or say there is no franchise player talent there? Come on man, its just dumb. Sure, put him on the best team, that number would decrease, but not by that much. I think some very talneted players taking a role demotion on super teams is real, like Ginobili, Bosh, Ray Allen, Pippen, OKC Harden, yes, thats real, but good players supercharging stats on bad teams is less real. If you put 30 points in the NBA, you are capable of doing that for most teams, maybe you will be the guy who will take demotion for the good of the super team, but it doesnt really mean you were stat stuffer or not that good before.

SGA is a top 10 player in the league, if you cant see it, I dont know if you even looked. This never ending ''losing player'' ''stat stuffer on bad team'' argument is shortsighted, and people never learn from history. For years Devin Booker was a loser and a losing player, yeah, kid puts crazy numbers since 19 but hes a loser. Then Chris Paul and kickass role players reinforcements comes in, team is contender, and people are now saying how awesome Devin Booker is and how he turned a corner. Nothing about Devin Booker has changed, he was always good, but now he is on a good team. Even prime Shumacher wouldn't do crap in F1 if you put him in a bad car, this is same thing. Luka was awesome, GOAT candidate, did Luka change now after terrible Mavericks season. Is Luka stat stuffing loser now?

Not to mention, OKC isnt even that bad, they are in a play in, and SGA has good support like Giddey, Williams and Dort, but at the same time, team is young and hes questionable guys like Pokusevski and others play key minutes. Like what else do you need to see from SGA at this point of his career and the stage of his team?

This is exact same Argument Booker suffered, and even Lebron suffered before, and even Dirk etc etc. People never learn. If you arent on contender, you can't be good, you eitehr overrated or plain garbage, franchice players outside markey teams doesnt exist according to some...

[CobraCommander]

They absolutely are not the same archetype. Luka is 6-7 and Trae is 6-1. That is absolutely massive when you are looking at, not only a player, but a face of the franchise. They are both poor defenders, that's where it ends, unless you want to talk about hoisting up bad 3s, but with Luka being 6-7 you have your pick of who to put him on defensively, within reason. There is ALWAYS a player 1-4 that you can put Luka on, not the same with Trae.
That allows Luka to actually rebound the ball too, which if they had a decent coach would elevate the team in transition, but they don't, which is outside the point.
If you put Luka on this current Hawks team it would be LIGHTS out for the Eastern Conference. They would be competing with Milwaukee and Boston.

Luka/
Murray/Bogs
Hunter/Johnson
Collins/Bey
Capella/Okongwu
That is championship contender material.

How does this make sense?/

Still only one basketball

and I’m not saying Luka isn’t better than trae but how does Luka make this team better than trae?

Everything they ask trae to do he does as well as Luka and Luka being more ball dominate than trae wouldn’t work with Murray.

Murray personality is that “he isn’t anyone sidekick Or second option”.

6’7 is better than 6’1” all day but I’m not buying that the Hawks would be in the finals when we just saw the mavs flame out down the stretch with Luka. We gotta give Luka a lot of the blame for this year with the mavs...not as much blame as KIDD but at least some of it. I think Luka is must watch TV and the most exciting guy to watch in sports...but dude is a liability on defense and is a head case as evidence of his inability to control himself with the whining. Those things will hurt the hawks as much as the Mavs.... Luka better than trae but he comes with baggage that would hurt a team that already has a few horrible personalities in Murray and some people that don’t want to be in Atlanta anyway...

You have significantly more defensive versatility with Luka vs Trae for one... On top of that Luka is much more dynamic as a ball handler and shot creator.

More dynamic ball handling is hard to quantify- but Luka needs to play off the ball better and he doesn’t even move when kyrie has the ball. Trae at least moves when Murray has the ball.

I do agree Luka can be better than Trae on defense but the problem is Luka hasn’t committed to it.

At best imo Trae ceiling is a poor man curry or maybe dame equivalent-

Luka ceiling could be the next lebron (if he is in shape) or maybe a harden equivalent- which is better than dame ….

But damnit it’s year 5- Luka is a god tier player… can’t miss playoffs by dropping from 4th to 11th in a month in a half while he racking up techs like Rasheed and playing Bs defense

[Godymas]

1. Luka Doncic
2. Shai Gilgeous Alexander
3. Trae Young
4. JJJ
5. Mikal Bridges
6. DeAndre Ayton
7. Jalen Brunson
8. MPJ
9. Mitchell Robinson
10. Wendell Carter Jr.
11. Anfernee Simons
12. Robert Williams
13. Miles Bridges
14. Jarred Vanderbilt
15. Kevin Huerter
16. Gary Trent Jr.
17. Bruce Brown
18. DeAnthony Melton
19. Donte Divincenzo
20. Collin Sexton
21. Grayson Allen
22. Davante Graham
23. Landry Shamet

God this draft is stupid deep, it's possible to have 40 legitimate NBA players ranked here. Not gonna do any more, but this draft is ridiculous.

[sfernald]

LOL, SGA is not the best player of the bunch. He is a stat stuffer on a bad team. He is basically Kevin Love, or Ricky Davis. SGA is a quality #3 on a contender.

This is a terrible take.

Maybe the worse take on REALGM in a while...

He reminds me of George Gervin.. Anyone here around to watch him play?

[CobraCommander]

1. Luka Doncic
2. Shai Gilgeous Alexander
3. Trae Young
4. JJJ
5. Mikal Bridges
6. DeAndre Ayton
7. Jalen Brunson
8. MPJ
9. Mitchell Robinson
10. Wendell Carter Jr.
11. Anfernee Simons
12. Robert Williams
13. Miles Bridges
14. Jarred Vanderbilt
15. Kevin Huerter
16. Gary Trent Jr.
17. Bruce Brown
18. DeAnthony Melton
19. Donte Divincenzo
20. Collin Sexton
21. Grayson Allen
22. Davante Graham
23. Landry Shamet

God this draft is stupid deep, it's possible to have 40 legitimate NBA players ranked here. Not gonna do any more, but this draft is ridiculous.

The draft is deep and the one that wins a ring first is going to be the right answer at 1. Unless it Ayton lol cause all credit will go to KD. But if Jalen, SGA, Luka or Trae get a ring as the center piece- they take the lead - no doubt they will ascend to the top spot. Luka doesn’t have that spot locked up IMO… Luka didn’t take a step back- SGA took a leap forward

[Richard4444]

1. Luka Doncic
2. Shai Gilgeous Alexander
3. JJJ
4. Mikal Bridges
5 - Trae Young
6. Jalen Brunson
7. DeAndre Ayton
8 - Kevin Huerter
9. MPJ
10, Time Lord
11. Wendell Carter Jr.
12. Anfernee Simons
13, Mitch Robinson
14. Colin Sexton
15. Miles Bridges
16. Gary Trent Jr.
17. Bruce Brown
18. Jarred Vanderbilt
19. DeAnthony Melton
20. Donte Divincenzo
21. Grayson Allen
22. Davante Graham
23. Landry Shamet

[MoneyTalks41890]

1. Luka Doncic
2. Shai Gilgeous Alexander
3. Trae Young
4. JJJ
5. Mikal Bridges
6. DeAndre Ayton
7. Jalen Brunson
8. MPJ
9. Mitchell Robinson
10. Wendell Carter Jr.
11. Anfernee Simons
12. Robert Williams
13. Miles Bridges
14. Jarred Vanderbilt
15. Kevin Huerter
16. Gary Trent Jr.
17. Bruce Brown
18. DeAnthony Melton
19. Donte Divincenzo
20. Collin Sexton
21. Grayson Allen
22. Davante Graham
23. Landry Shamet

God this draft is stupid deep, it's possible to have 40 legitimate NBA players ranked here. Not gonna do any more, but this draft is ridiculous.

The draft is deep and the one that wins a ring first is going to be the right answer at 1. Unless it Ayton lol cause all credit will go to KD. But if Jalen, SGA, Luka or Trae get a ring as the center piece- they take the lead - no doubt they will ascend to the top spot. Luka doesn’t have that spot locked up IMO… Luka didn’t take a step back- SGA took a leap forward

No lol if Jalen or Trae win a ring they will not be able Luka or SGA. Those are superior basketball players.

[OxAndFox]

Both are very talented ball dominant point guards who hurt their team on the defensive end. Both have taken their team to conference finals based on their offensive brilliance.

I didn’t say Trae was better than Luka but they are absolutely the same archetype.

They absolutely are not the same archetype. Luka is 6-7 and Trae is 6-1. That is absolutely massive when you are looking at, not only a player, but a face of the franchise. They are both poor defenders, that's where it ends, unless you want to talk about hoisting up bad 3s, but with Luka being 6-7 you have your pick of who to put him on defensively, within reason. There is ALWAYS a player 1-4 that you can put Luka on, not the same with Trae.
That allows Luka to actually rebound the ball too, which if they had a decent coach would elevate the team in transition, but they don't, which is outside the point.
If you put Luka on this current Hawks team it would be LIGHTS out for the Eastern Conference. They would be competing with Milwaukee and Boston.

Luka/
Murray/Bogs
Hunter/Johnson
Collins/Bey
Capella/Okongwu
That is championship contender material.

How does this make sense?/

Still only one basketball

and I’m not saying Luka isn’t better than trae but how does Luka make this team better than trae?

Everything they ask trae to do he does as well as Luka and Luka being more ball dominate than trae wouldn’t work with Murray.

Murray personality is that “he isn’t anyone sidekick Or second option”.

6’7 is better than 6’1” all day but I’m not buying that the Hawks would be in the finals when we just saw the mavs flame out down the stretch with Luka. We gotta give Luka a lot of the blame for this year with the mavs...not as much blame as KIDD but at least some of it. I think Luka is must watch TV and the most exciting guy to watch in sports...but dude is a liability on defense and is a head case as evidence of his inability to control himself with the whining. Those things will hurt the hawks as much as the Mavs.... Luka better than trae but he comes with baggage that would hurt a team that already has a few horrible personalities in Murray and some people that don’t want to be in Atlanta anyway...

Trae and Luka are simply not the same archetypes of players. Luka can be hidden on any team. He doesn't have to be the "PG" on a team either. He can be put into the line-up 1-4 against some teams. Can you do that with Trae? This is the main reason why he isn't an archetype of a traditional PG, which Trae is closer to. It was a lazy and incorrect initial comparison because two players don't play D. Both guys have their moments, Luka as positional D because of smarts and Trae having smart timing to get into lanes at times.

This is where the Hawks would be infinitely better with Luka than Trae. The length in that starting line-up is unmatched around the league. Murray as a POA defender with Hunter/Collins and Capella is always going to be a good defense. Let's say the first round match up against Boston. Luka can guard Smart and he won't go down to the low post. If Trae is on Smart I am guessing he is going to take advantage occasionally,

Also, another huge area that Trae isn't on the same stratosphere is shot-making inside the arc. Luka shoots almost 50% from the field while Trae is a tick under .430.
Trae's biggest weapon was meant to be 3pt shooting as the "next Steph", but he is closer to De'Aaron Fox in this regard and I don't know why people don't talk about it. Not sure why Trae keeps this reputation as an even average 3pt shooter. Again, this is where a huge difference is, both Trae and Luka are below average from 3, but Luka gets his own inside at a good clip, Trae doesn't.

An area Trae is much better than Luka at is passing, Trae's creativity is first-rate even though he does turn the ball over a little too much, which Luka does too.

For the Mavs, Kidd is a disastrous coach IMO. Not saying the Hawks have had great coaches either, and I don't necessarily buy that Trae caused them to be fired too, actually, I don't.
It's not a stretch to say that Trae has had infinitely more talent around him than Luka though and yes Luka on this Hawks team is head and shoulders above what the Mavs were/are and also what the Hawks would be.

I'm not saying Trae is a bad player or anything, I'm saying that Trae and Luka are simply NOT the same archetype as each other. That is clear. And yes this Hawks team would be A LOT better than it is with Luka instead of Trae.

[OxAndFox]

And the POs haven't even been mentioned. Luka elevates his game in the POs. Trae, not so much.
Luka
32.5/9.3/7.9 on .473/.366/.692 eFG% .546

Trae
25.6/3.3/8.7 on .402/.286/.850 eFG% .463

[Liver_Pooty]

If Miles Bridges didn't tombstone his wife off a roof like a dumbass he'd definitely be up there.

[CraftylikeaFox]

1. Luka Doncic
2. Shai Gilgeous Alexander
3. Trae Young
4. JJJ
5. Mikal Bridges
6. DeAndre Ayton
7. Jalen Brunson
8. MPJ
9. Mitchell Robinson
10. Wendell Carter Jr.
11. Anfernee Simons
12. Robert Williams
13. Miles Bridges
14. Jarred Vanderbilt
15. Kevin Huerter
16. Gary Trent Jr.
17. Bruce Brown
18. DeAnthony Melton
19. Donte Divincenzo
20. Collin Sexton
21. Grayson Allen
22. Davante Graham
23. Landry Shamet

God this draft is stupid deep, it's possible to have 40 legitimate NBA players ranked here. Not gonna do any more, but this draft is ridiculous.

The draft is deep and the one that wins a ring first is going to be the right answer at 1. Unless it Ayton lol cause all credit will go to KD. But if Jalen, SGA, Luka or Trae get a ring as the center piece- they take the lead - no doubt they will ascend to the top spot. Luka doesn’t have that spot locked up IMO… Luka didn’t take a step back- SGA took a leap forward

In no way will Jalen Brunson or Trae Young winning a ring make them a better player than SGA or Luka. Unless they completely change what they are as a player and ascend to something completely different. SGA I could see. But with Jalen Williams taking a presumed leap next year and Chet coming into the mix there is no way his usage remains where it is.

[CobraCommander]

1. Luka Doncic
2. Shai Gilgeous Alexander
3. Trae Young
4. JJJ
5. Mikal Bridges
6. DeAndre Ayton
7. Jalen Brunson
8. MPJ
9. Mitchell Robinson
10. Wendell Carter Jr.
11. Anfernee Simons
12. Robert Williams
13. Miles Bridges
14. Jarred Vanderbilt
15. Kevin Huerter
16. Gary Trent Jr.
17. Bruce Brown
18. DeAnthony Melton
19. Donte Divincenzo
20. Collin Sexton
21. Grayson Allen
22. Davante Graham
23. Landry Shamet

God this draft is stupid deep, it's possible to have 40 legitimate NBA players ranked here. Not gonna do any more, but this draft is ridiculous.

The draft is deep and the one that wins a ring first is going to be the right answer at 1. Unless it Ayton lol cause all credit will go to KD. But if Jalen, SGA, Luka or Trae get a ring as the center piece- they take the lead - no doubt they will ascend to the top spot. Luka doesn’t have that spot locked up IMO… Luka didn’t take a step back- SGA took a leap forward

In no way will Jalen Brunson or Trae Young winning a ring make them a better player than SGA or Luka. Unless they completely change what they are as a player and ascend to something completely different. SGA I could see. But with Jalen Williams taking a presumed leap next year and Chet coming into the mix there is no way his usage remains where it is.

If trae wins a ring in Atlanta as the best player on that team, our opinions won’t matter. He will be a champion at the same age as those guys. To me - wining matters- if trae end up with 2 or so rings and Luka and SGA end up with zero it wouldn’t be a question.

Jaylen win a ring in NYC as the best player on the team and he becomes legendary lol

Neither of these scenarios likely - but... you know - IF


But is SGA ends up with more rings than Luka and Luka never learns to play defense and is a problem on a team from a complaining for every call and not getting back - then SGA all day...

I don’t see Luka repeating this year tho.

[CobraCommander]

And the POs haven't even been mentioned. Luka elevates his game in the POs. Trae, not so much.
Luka
32.5/9.3/7.9 on .473/.366/.692 eFG% .546

Trae
25.6/3.3/8.7 on .402/.286/.850 eFG% .463

You gotta be in the playoffs tho...

Playoff Luka and playoff trae are special (if you exclude last years playoff for trae)

If you count last years playoff against trae then you have to count this years collapse against Luka... Luka still better player but it ain’t a foregone conclusion that it’s always gonna be that way

[OxAndFox]

And the POs haven't even been mentioned. Luka elevates his game in the POs. Trae, not so much.
Luka
32.5/9.3/7.9 on .473/.366/.692 eFG% .546

Trae
25.6/3.3/8.7 on .402/.286/.850 eFG% .463

You gotta be in the playoffs tho...

Playoff Luka and playoff trae are special (if you exclude last years playoff for trae)

If you count last years playoff against trae then you have to count this years collapse against Luka... Luka still better player but it ain’t a foregone conclusion that it’s always gonna be that way

Have a look at the roster around Luka though. It wasn't great to begin the season, and it was even worse to end the season.
Luka has to take some of the blame for sure, but I know which roster I would want and it's not particularly close. Maybe I'm underrating the rest of the Mavs roster compared to the Hawks, I'm not sure, but I really, really like the pieces the Hawks have. They might not be superstars, but there is so much versatility over there.

[CobraCommander]

And the POs haven't even been mentioned. Luka elevates his game in the POs. Trae, not so much.
Luka
32.5/9.3/7.9 on .473/.366/.692 eFG% .546

Trae
25.6/3.3/8.7 on .402/.286/.850 eFG% .463

You gotta be in the playoffs tho...

Playoff Luka and playoff trae are special (if you exclude last years playoff for trae)

If you count last years playoff against trae then you have to count this years collapse against Luka... Luka still better player but it ain’t a foregone conclusion that it’s always gonna be that way

Have a look at the roster around Luka though. It wasn't great to begin the season, and it was even worse to end the season.
Luka has to take some of the blame for sure, but I know which roster I would want and it's not particularly close. Maybe I'm underrating the rest of the Mavs roster compared to the Hawks, I'm not sure, but I really, really like the pieces the Hawks have. They might not be superstars, but there is so much versatility over there.

Cant keep using that argument the year after Jaylen Brunson and Dinwiddie wasn’t good enough and KP wasn’t good enough - now Kyrie isn’t good enough - at some point it’s what ever - play ball

[OxAndFox]

You gotta be in the playoffs tho...

Playoff Luka and playoff trae are special (if you exclude last years playoff for trae)

If you count last years playoff against trae then you have to count this years collapse against Luka... Luka still better player but it ain’t a foregone conclusion that it’s always gonna be that way

Have a look at the roster around Luka though. It wasn't great to begin the season, and it was even worse to end the season.
Luka has to take some of the blame for sure, but I know which roster I would want and it's not particularly close. Maybe I'm underrating the rest of the Mavs roster compared to the Hawks, I'm not sure, but I really, really like the pieces the Hawks have. They might not be superstars, but there is so much versatility over there.

Cant keep using that argument the year after Jaylen Brunson and Dinwiddie wasn’t good enough and KP wasn’t good enough - now Kyrie isn’t good enough - at some point it’s what ever - play ball

I mean you literally just listed KP who is a career loser (has only played in the POs with Mavs mind you) who can't even make the play in with Beal and Kuzma. Dinwiddie, I mean I think you're stretching it a bit far here. He isn't anything special and we're not talking about this season's Jalen Brunson, last seasons Brunson was at a whole 16ppg. Kyrie played all of 20 games with the Mavs. It would be like saying Fox should have made the POs last season because he had Sabonis.

Again, I would take playing next to Murray/Hunter/Collins/Capella/Bogadanovic with young guys like Okongwu, Johnson, Griffin and now Bey.
Even if you count Kyrie for the whole season.

Murray < Kyrie
Hunter > THJ
Collins > Bullock
Capela > Powell
Bogi > Green
Okongwu > Kleiber
Johnson > Hardy
Griffin > Wood
Bey > Bertans

Most of them aren't even close either. On either end of the floor.

Then you factor in coaching:
Snyder >>>> Kidd
Even when you factor in the lack of time Snyder has had with the team.

I have been far from a Luka apologist in the past. In fact far from it. I hate how much he whinges and generally, I don't like (hate) his style of play. But I can't deny how good he is. He isn't a typical PG, as what the original comment was about, there aren't many 6-7 PGs that are this good in the history of the sport.

[CobraCommander]

Have a look at the roster around Luka though. It wasn't great to begin the season, and it was even worse to end the season.
Luka has to take some of the blame for sure, but I know which roster I would want and it's not particularly close. Maybe I'm underrating the rest of the Mavs roster compared to the Hawks, I'm not sure, but I really, really like the pieces the Hawks have. They might not be superstars, but there is so much versatility over there.

Cant keep using that argument the year after Jaylen Brunson and Dinwiddie wasn’t good enough and KP wasn’t good enough - now Kyrie isn’t good enough - at some point it’s what ever - play ball

I mean you literally just listed KP who is a career loser (has only played in the POs with Mavs mind you) who can't even make the play in with Beal and Kuzma. Dinwiddie, I mean I think you're stretching it a bit far here. He isn't anything special and we're not talking about this season's Jalen Brunson, last seasons Brunson was at a whole 16ppg. Kyrie played all of 20 games with the Mavs. It would be like saying Fox should have made the POs last season because he had Sabonis.

Again, I would take playing next to Murray/Hunter/Collins/Capella/Bogadanovic with young guys like Okongwu, Johnson, Griffin and now Bey.
Even if you count Kyrie for the whole season.

Murray < Kyrie
Hunter > THJ
Collins > Bullock
Capela > Powell
Bogi > Green
Okongwu > Kleiber
Johnson > Hardy
Griffin > Wood
Bey > Bertans

Most of them aren't even close either. On either end of the floor.

Then you factor in coaching:
Snyder >>>> Kidd
Even when you factor in the lack of time Snyder has had with the team.

I have been far from a Luka apologist in the past. In fact far from it. I hate how much he whinges and generally, I don't like (hate) his style of play. But I can't deny how good he is. He isn't a typical PG, as what the original comment was about, there aren't many 6-7 PGs that are this good in the history of the sport.

We agree - Snyder is light years ahead of Kidd. Kidd may be the worse coach in the nba. I’m sure he hates his “bosses” and his “team” that he just watches but Luka is too damn good to get a pass.

Luka should be on the same level as Giannis, Jokic, Embiid and KD...but he isn’t.

Luka has too many self imposed negatives that prevent him from fulfilling his promise and missing the playoffs is the out put of him not playing well off the ball- He doesn’t move when Kyrie i has the ball- doesn’t play good defense - complains so much in game that he is leading the league in techs all while not getting back on defense - shows bad body language on the floor and isn’t in shape.

Thus he isn’t a good leader- Jokic, Giannis and Embiid are the leaders of their teams...KD just the perfect basketball player - but he has never been the leader of a winning team.

If Luka gonna be the leader of a winning team, he has crap he needs to clean up.

SGA is definitely a better leader than Luka or Trae... SGA might be that guy -

[KingFox]

Gimme SGA. Seems like he actually works hard on top
Of being a next level talent. You can’t go wrong with Luka of course, I’d take either one. But i feel like i could trust SGA and he’ll be in the league longer

[dakomish23]

How is Williams that high but Mitchell Robinson didn’t make the cut?

[OxAndFox]

Cant keep using that argument the year after Jaylen Brunson and Dinwiddie wasn’t good enough and KP wasn’t good enough - now Kyrie isn’t good enough - at some point it’s what ever - play ball

I mean you literally just listed KP who is a career loser (has only played in the POs with Mavs mind you) who can't even make the play in with Beal and Kuzma. Dinwiddie, I mean I think you're stretching it a bit far here. He isn't anything special and we're not talking about this season's Jalen Brunson, last seasons Brunson was at a whole 16ppg. Kyrie played all of 20 games with the Mavs. It would be like saying Fox should have made the POs last season because he had Sabonis.

Again, I would take playing next to Murray/Hunter/Collins/Capella/Bogadanovic with young guys like Okongwu, Johnson, Griffin and now Bey.
Even if you count Kyrie for the whole season.

Murray < Kyrie
Hunter > THJ
Collins > Bullock
Capela > Powell
Bogi > Green
Okongwu > Kleiber
Johnson > Hardy
Griffin > Wood
Bey > Bertans

Most of them aren't even close either. On either end of the floor.

Then you factor in coaching:
Snyder >>>> Kidd
Even when you factor in the lack of time Snyder has had with the team.

I have been far from a Luka apologist in the past. In fact far from it. I hate how much he whinges and generally, I don't like (hate) his style of play. But I can't deny how good he is. He isn't a typical PG, as what the original comment was about, there aren't many 6-7 PGs that are this good in the history of the sport.

We agree - Snyder is light years ahead of Kidd. Kidd may be the worse coach in the nba. I’m sure he hates his “bosses” and his “team” that he just watches but Luka is too damn good to get a pass.

Luka should be on the same level as Giannis, Jokic, Embiid and KD...but he isn’t.

Luka has too many self imposed negatives that prevent him from fulfilling his promise and missing the playoffs is the out put of him not playing well off the ball- He doesn’t move when Kyrie i has the ball- doesn’t play good defense - complains so much in game that he is leading the league in techs all while not getting back on defense - shows bad body language on the floor and isn’t in shape.

Thus he isn’t a good leader- Jokic, Giannis and Embiid are the leaders of their teams...KD just the perfect basketball player - but he has never been the leader of a winning team.

If Luka gonna be the leader of a winning team, he has crap he needs to clean up.

SGA is definitely a better leader than Luka or Trae... SGA might be that guy -

I can certainly agree with this. Luka should absolutely not get a pass all the time. I do think context should be taken into account.
The FO took a team that made the WC, had good chemistry and played D, and then decided to low ball a good young player which put in motion the current events.