Trade Pascal to Portland/Warriors?

[JRoy]

Simons sucks, Blazers will have to include more if they want us to take him and his fat contract for 3 more years. I'll need at least Sharpe, 2023 1st, 2024 1st (top 4 protected) and two 2nd rounders for Siakam if we're taking Simons too.

Pass for POR.

You keep your guys and we’ll keep ours.

Idk why you're so hellbent on not getting Siakam like he's some bum. He can be a good positive defender when he's not the #1 option and can be extremely efficient when he's not the focal point of a defense. He's already a really good offensive player as is as a number one option, you just can't win a championship with him in that role. If you only give Simons, Keon Johnson and 2-4 picks depending on protections , I'd be relatively interested. Obviously, the picks is what I'm after. I don't even want Sharpe since I know how high you guys are on him. He's obviously who I'd want but I'm staying realistic.

Getting Siakam while retaining Dame, Sharpe, Grant, Nurkic and Sharpe gets you a tad bit closer to contention in a relatively open West. You do need a much improved bench though.Now all of this doesn't matter if all you want is to rebuild in the first place, but that's not what I'm getting from your front office. Seems like your fanbase is somehow hoping for Chauncey Billups getting fired in his current contract structure and Boston to not give the bag to Brown? Idk you guys are in a weird spot.

I never said either Siakam or OG are bums; they are fine players.

They aren’t good enough to turn this team into a contender, the problems run too deep and they start with Billups; he is not a quality HC.

[Fairview4Life]

You guys smokin the good stuff tonight.

Light the beam means something different on the Raps board.

[ArthurVandelay]

I was reading some Portland fans posts yesterday and posted this:

There is no question Ujiri values his players. There is a reason though, it’s because they are good players and they are hard to find.

Siakam is an All-star/All-NBA talent. There aren’t many of those guys in the league. He isn’t a bonafide #1, but there are only a handful of those players in the NBA. But he is a two-way player which many #1 (like Lillard) are not. You’re not getting a player like Siakam without giving up something of value.

Simons (a really good offensive player, but undersized SG and very poor defender) and a lotto pick (very much an unknown, hit or miss) isn’t nearly worth a definite All-Star/All-NBA player like Siakam.

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I think the same message goes for Raptors fans. Despite whatever shortfalls Siakam has, he is a damn good player. Can’t just trade him for the sake of trading him.

Any trade with Portland should start with their lotto pick, Sharpe, and Simons. If they say no, wish them luck finding another 24/8/6 PF to put next to Lillard.

Everything Sharpe is good at is going to be lost playing next to Lillard, Siakam, and Grant. They’d be better off playing Thybulle, unless they start playing with two basketballs.

They did a great job maximizing their assets, now they need to get a return.

*If they are trading Lillard then disregard all this.

[ArthurVandelay]

Also the road to dealing with Portland should begin in Chicago. Get that owed 1st. It will open up many more opportunities for Portland.

S&T FVV for Ball, Williams, Terry, and the Portland 1st. That cost of taking Ball’s $40m is Williams and the first. Willing to do the sign and trade cost is Terry.

[Jadoogar]

you can trade siakam to the trail blazers, but youre not getting sharpe lol

Portland really has no leverage. Everybody can plainly tell that they do not want to go into a full rebuild by trading Dame, probably because of the potential loss of revenue more than optics.

I'm not even in favour of trading Pascal who is probably better now than Scottie ever will be. But if Dame is telling Portland to go out and get Pascal, Masai is going to bend Cronin over a barrel.

Last summer, the Raptors refused to trade scottie for Kevin freaking Durant. Why in the world would the Blazers trade their best asset for a dude who was psyched out by a 9 year old?

[TravisScott55]

you can trade siakam to the trail blazers, but youre not getting sharpe lol

I know Portland fans are hellbent on keeping Sharpe, but it seems the front office is going to acquiesce to all of Dame's demand to keep him happy. If Sharpe is the one holding up a deal to get an all nba player like Siakam, Dame will push the front office to pull the trigger.

[QingJames]

you can trade siakam to the trail blazers, but youre not getting sharpe lol

Portland really has no leverage. Everybody can plainly tell that they do not want to go into a full rebuild by trading Dame, probably because of the potential loss of revenue more than optics.

I'm not even in favour of trading Pascal who is probably better now than Scottie ever will be. But if Dame is telling Portland to go out and get Pascal, Masai is going to bend Cronin over a barrel.

Last summer, the Raptors refused to trade scottie for Kevin freaking Durant. Why in the world would the Blazers trade their best asset for a dude who was psyched out by a 9 year old?

Because they're beholden to Dame Lillard and his desire to add established NBA talent to the roster.

[Jadoogar]

Portland really has no leverage. Everybody can plainly tell that they do not want to go into a full rebuild by trading Dame, probably because of the potential loss of revenue more than optics.

I'm not even in favour of trading Pascal who is probably better now than Scottie ever will be. But if Dame is telling Portland to go out and get Pascal, Masai is going to bend Cronin over a barrel.

Last summer, the Raptors refused to trade scottie for Kevin freaking Durant. Why in the world would the Blazers trade their best asset for a dude who was psyched out by a 9 year old?

Because they're beholden to Dame Lillard and his desire to add established NBA talent to the roster.

I hope you're right but i wouldn't hold my breath. I can't imagine a GM watching the Raptors this season and thinking "this is what i want on my team".

[Mr Funk]

If you're going to make huge changes, you don't go for Sharpe. You move almost everyone and offer a massive haul of picks and young prospects for Shai. He is the one.

[Steelo Green]

Raptors fans get too attached to not elite players.

Utah traded a better player in Mitchell and it is for the best of the franchise.

Pascal is a what top 20-30 player? Why are we getting attached to that.

[QingJames]

Last summer, the Raptors refused to trade scottie for Kevin freaking Durant. Why in the world would the Blazers trade their best asset for a dude who was psyched out by a 9 year old?

Because they're beholden to Dame Lillard and his desire to add established NBA talent to the roster.

I hope you're right but i wouldn't hold my breath. I can't imagine a GM watching the Raptors this season and thinking "this is what i want on my team".

No GM would think that because no GM is going to trade for the entire team. The underperformance of the team this year is more of a damning indictment of our roster-building philosophy and a culture of selfish bag-chasing, rather than an indictment on the pieces themselves. Not to mention that despite all of the turmoil this year, Pascal has been a consummate professional the entire time and is clearly far and away the hardest worker on the team.

Put another way: probably the guy who took the most hit trade value-wise from this season was OG. Why? Because OG has made it very clear through backchannels that he wants a bigger role in the offense of any NBA team going forward - he wants to be a second or first-option guy. That's a desire that will remain independent of whether he is playing for the Raptors or not, and every GM in the league knows that OG is not and never will be capable of being a first or second offensive option. Nevertheless, there were plenty of trade offers for him even with the knowledge that he might be unhappy with his usage on his new team.

My point ultimately is the talent is the talent and executives are generally capable of divorcing the talent of a player from the context of their season. Our failures this year weren't on Pascal and in fact he yet again showed improvement in his game this year over last. I doubt his trade value has been impacted at all from whatever it was before this season commenced because GMs can easily imagine how impactful he could be when not surrounded by a roster of bricklayers.

That's why I wouldn't even bother moving him unless you're going to fleece some desperate team like Portland. Pascal is the lynchpin of whatever vestige of accountability and work ethic this team's culture has left. Unless you're getting a godfather offer, I would much rather see the selfish bag chasers and malcontents like Gary and OG shipped out before Pascal.

[QingJames]

If you're going to make huge changes, you don't go for Sharpe. You move almost everyone and offer a massive haul of picks and young prospects for Shai. He is the one.

It's too late for that as Shai is now an MVP candidate and Presti is not going to trade him. Hindsight is 20/20 but the time to make the offer for Shai was last offseason. Barnes + 1-2 frps probably could've gotten it done then.

[Rapsfan07]

Last summer, the Raptors refused to trade scottie for Kevin freaking Durant. Why in the world would the Blazers trade their best asset for a dude who was psyched out by a 9 year old?

Because they're beholden to Dame Lillard and his desire to add established NBA talent to the roster.

I hope you're right but i wouldn't hold my breath. I can't imagine a GM watching the Raptors this season and thinking "this is what i want on my team".

Siakam has been phenomenal this season. I think any GM that would consider trading for him would be looking at him individually and not the team success as a whole.

[Mr Funk]

If you're going to make huge changes, you don't go for Sharpe. You move almost everyone and offer a massive haul of picks and young prospects for Shai. He is the one.

It's too late for that as Shai is now an MVP candidate and Presti is not going to trade him. Hindsight is 20/20 but the time to make the offer for Shai was last offseason. Barnes + 1-2 frps probably could've gotten it done then.

Maybe, maybe not. Presti is ballsy and loves making bold moves and the prospect of having a super stacked team in less than five years could appeal to him.

[Rapsfan07]

If you're going to make huge changes, you don't go for Sharpe. You move almost everyone and offer a massive haul of picks and young prospects for Shai. He is the one.

No you don't.

First of all, why would Presti move a young MVP candidate locked into a long term deal when his young team is in the rebuilding process? If anything, he should be looking to consolidate his boatload of picks and young talent into NBA vets and all-stars to build around SGA, not trade him.

Secondly, if we were to offer a deal too good for Presti to refuse for SGA, we'd be left with nothing to surround SGA with.

Makes no sense for either team.

[QingJames]

If you're going to make huge changes, you don't go for Sharpe. You move almost everyone and offer a massive haul of picks and young prospects for Shai. He is the one.

It's too late for that as Shai is now an MVP candidate and Presti is not going to trade him. Hindsight is 20/20 but the time to make the offer for Shai was last offseason. Barnes + 1-2 frps probably could've gotten it done then.

Maybe, maybe not. Presti is ballsy and loves making bold moves and the prospect of having a super stacked team in less than five years could appeal to him.

If he wants a super-stacked team in less than 5 years he should just keep Shai. SGA is arguably the best isolation player in the entire league - Barnes will never sniff that level. Presti would only trade him now if he wanted to punt on the timeline of a 24-year-old MVP candidate and get even younger for some reason.

[Jadoogar]

Because they're beholden to Dame Lillard and his desire to add established NBA talent to the roster.

I hope you're right but i wouldn't hold my breath. I can't imagine a GM watching the Raptors this season and thinking "this is what i want on my team".

Siakam has been phenomenal this season. I think any GM that would consider trading for him would be looking at him individually and not the team success as a whole.

He was great in the first half and definitely faded as the season went on. Was that due to minutes? Maybe but fact remains, he played worse as the season went on.

I'm not saying he doesn't have value. He's a fantastic #2 option and would probably be a good fit on the Blazers. I just think his value isn't as high as you guys are thinking for a couple reasons:
- Positional overlap with Scottie so teams know we would rather move him than Barnes
- aforementioned poor performance post allstar
- Contract status. This is the big one, any team trading for him is only getting one playoff run with him without an extension. This is why i was advocating to move him at the deadline so the receiving team was guaranteed 2 playoff runs (similar to how Sabonis was traded last year).

I am in favour of trading him because i don't think we can actually reset with him on the roster and his awkward fit with Scottie but i would temper expectations. I don't think we will get a donovon mitchell or Gobert type package for him.

[dTox]

If you're going to make huge changes, you don't go for Sharpe. You move almost everyone and offer a massive haul of picks and young prospects for Shai. He is the one.

It's too late for that as Shai is now an MVP candidate and Presti is not going to trade him. Hindsight is 20/20 but the time to make the offer for Shai was last offseason. Barnes + 1-2 frps probably could've gotten it done then.

Maybe, maybe not. Presti is ballsy and loves making bold moves and the prospect of having a super stacked team in less than five years could appeal to him.

You are not going to get Shai, this dream died before the season started and Shai became an MVP caliber player. No player / picks we have can get him any more, not even Barnes.

[Mr Funk]

If you're going to make huge changes, you don't go for Sharpe. You move almost everyone and offer a massive haul of picks and young prospects for Shai. He is the one.

No you don't.

First of all, why would Presti move a young MVP candidate locked into a long term deal when his young team is in the rebuilding process? If anything, he should be looking for consolidate his boatload of picks and young talent into NBA vets and all-stars to build around SGA, not trade him.

Secondly, if we were to offer a deal too good for Presti to refuse for SGA, we'd be left with nothing to surround SGA with.

Makes no sense for either team.

SGA's contract is up in 2027 and unless I'm mistaken, he's currently not (yet) in the MVP race. And are they still rebuilding or now a young up and coming team?

Also, who knows what transpires in OKC in the next few years. Certainly they could become a juggernaut with Shai. But if things do not go as planned and turn sour, Shai may at some point want out.

Even if said dream scenario played out, we'd have Scottie and Shai and surrounding them with good role players isn't an overly monumental task.

[Mr Funk]

Presti would only trade him now if he wanted to punt on the timeline of a 24-year-old MVP candidate and get even younger for some reason.

Or if things go wrong and Shai wanted out. Total dream scenario, but so was acquiring someone on Kawhi's level as well.