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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#241 » by Eatgreenz » Thu Apr 13, 2023 10:10 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:Dame is not the guy anyway. Hes too old and makes way too much money.

If we did trade for a star I would prefer Luka or Tatum. Sometimes its best to hold your powder dry.

Till then we need to keep developing Bridges/Clax/Cam. And rehabilitate Simmons.

Unless a star legit demands to come here. I think this off season more resigning and signing smaller free agents. Seeing what this team looks like with Ben at 100% with his athleticism back. Feels more like 2024 or more likely 2025 could be the star hunting time. We might make a move to get into the lottery this year to.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#242 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Apr 14, 2023 12:11 am

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MGrand15 wrote:The only move that turns into a contender right away is Dame.

Ben Simmons + Cam Thomas + 4 1st round picks for Dame works. It might seem like a meh price but I think he's only an option if Lillard tells the Blazers he wants to come here and they do him a solid. Dame also has injury risks and is owed 200+ million over the next 4 years.

Right now, all of our good lineups are elite on defense. So elite that we're beating teams with some pretty terrible offense. If we can replace Dinwiddie with Lillard, those guys are about the same defensively and Lillard is a MASSIVE upgrade on offense. And it pushes Dinwiddie to the bench where he's at his best on a really good team.

Dame might've been the best guard in the league this year and he's a super high character guy. I'd bet on him any day.


Pairing Lillard with Bridges and Claxton is a gamble I'd take, but the idea of paying 4 1sts makes my head hurt :cry:

Co signed as well, Lillard is the type of high character guy you want to clean up the stench of Kyrie and KD.


Eh I was just throwing that out there. We'd be getting a legit star for 2 guys that don't play for us. I think 4 sounds about right.

Us Net fans should definitely be scared of trading picks :lol: but we actually have a lot of picks now. We can afford to give some up. I'm also cool being patient. I wouldn't be mad at waiting for Luka to demand out.


Yeah, i don't think Marks can rush this.

Spending 4 1sts for Lillard and getting Simmons off the books might be worth it, but it depends on the picks. That Dallas pick and the later Phoenix picks should be off limits or protected
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#243 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Apr 14, 2023 12:12 am

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MGrand15 wrote:The only move that turns into a contender right away is Dame.

Ben Simmons + Cam Thomas + 4 1st round picks for Dame works. It might seem like a meh price but I think he's only an option if Lillard tells the Blazers he wants to come here and they do him a solid. Dame also has injury risks and is owed 200+ million over the next 4 years.

Right now, all of our good lineups are elite on defense. So elite that we're beating teams with some pretty terrible offense. If we can replace Dinwiddie with Lillard, those guys are about the same defensively and Lillard is a MASSIVE upgrade on offense. And it pushes Dinwiddie to the bench where he's at his best on a really good team.

Dame might've been the best guard in the league this year and he's a super high character guy. I'd bet on him any day.


Yuck, to trading 4 FRPs. Two of those better be massively protected. I guess trading Ben requires 1 FRP maybe.


Two 1st rd picks at a minimum. He's the worst contract in the league.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#244 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Apr 14, 2023 12:14 am

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MGrand15 wrote:The only move that turns into a contender right away is Dame.

Ben Simmons + Cam Thomas + 4 1st round picks for Dame works. It might seem like a meh price but I think he's only an option if Lillard tells the Blazers he wants to come here and they do him a solid. Dame also has injury risks and is owed 200+ million over the next 4 years.

Right now, all of our good lineups are elite on defense. So elite that we're beating teams with some pretty terrible offense. If we can replace Dinwiddie with Lillard, those guys are about the same defensively and Lillard is a MASSIVE upgrade on offense. And it pushes Dinwiddie to the bench where he's at his best on a really good team.

Dame might've been the best guard in the league this year and he's a super high character guy. I'd bet on him any day.

IDK about that bro 4 picks kinda steep we would be helping the Blazers do a full rebuild with getting Dames contract. We shouldnt have to give up that many picks, and its not like 28-30yrs.


But getting Dame gets rid of Simmons and makes us way better. We can't forget, we have to maximize Bridges' time here soon.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#245 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Apr 14, 2023 12:16 am

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
MGrand15 wrote:The only move that turns into a contender right away is Dame.

Ben Simmons + Cam Thomas + 4 1st round picks for Dame works. It might seem like a meh price but I think he's only an option if Lillard tells the Blazers he wants to come here and they do him a solid. Dame also has injury risks and is owed 200+ million over the next 4 years.

Right now, all of our good lineups are elite on defense. So elite that we're beating teams with some pretty terrible offense. If we can replace Dinwiddie with Lillard, those guys are about the same defensively and Lillard is a MASSIVE upgrade on offense. And it pushes Dinwiddie to the bench where he's at his best on a really good team.

Dame might've been the best guard in the league this year and he's a super high character guy. I'd bet on him any day.


Were not a contender with Dame. I don't know why anyone thinks we would be.

I like Bridges, but its way to early to say hes capable of being the leading star on a title team. Lillard can't be the main guy.

He needs to go play with Embiid or Giannis.

Nets should just focus on developing talent for now and see where it goes.


Bridges will be 27 next year. We need to pair him up with a great player sooner than later.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#246 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Apr 14, 2023 12:19 am

Hello Brooklyn wrote:Dame is not the guy anyway. Hes too old and makes way too much money.

If we did trade for a star I would prefer Luka or Tatum. Sometimes its best to hold your powder dry.

Till then we need to keep developing Bridges/Clax/Cam. And rehabilitate Simmons.


I'd rather get Simmons off of the books. I see zero reason to devote any time rehabilitating him. Regardless of his back, he's a headcase.

You make great points on Lillard though. Damn.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#247 » by GTR11 » Fri Apr 14, 2023 2:17 am

I'm not even entertaining Dame trade until I see what being offered and what is going on this off-season.

Miami and ATL looking to get assets for and cap space for Brown + all star along.

Pelicans have rumbling inside locker. It's been brewing for some time now. Twitter heads said it's Ingram not being happy. You wait to get his level player no matter what.

LaMelo already saying anything can happen. It's clear signal to GM's that he wants out. I'd go as far as to say he won't sign that QO.

Dame is worst kept secret. LA banking on him to be available if Kyrie plan won't work out. They not ready to part ways with 2 picks but Portland playing along so far. Dame on the other hand starting to look around. If he's our target, than I want Marks fired ASAP.

Not fan of Brown but will be more than happy to sign him as a FA.

Don't want Trae, Herro, Butler ( washed up ) KAT or Bam.

As I said already, I want to sit and wait. If anything time is working in our favor here. More interested in trading for Anthony Black, Gradey Dick and Taylor Hendricks. Pairing Nic with Hendricks makes me super exited at possibilities this team can have. Dude does everything Nic can and shoot 3's at 40% clip. I'm willing to send 2 picks with CamJ and CamT to get him.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#248 » by Hello Brooklyn » Fri Apr 14, 2023 3:17 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:
MGrand15 wrote:The only move that turns into a contender right away is Dame.

Ben Simmons + Cam Thomas + 4 1st round picks for Dame works. It might seem like a meh price but I think he's only an option if Lillard tells the Blazers he wants to come here and they do him a solid. Dame also has injury risks and is owed 200+ million over the next 4 years.

Right now, all of our good lineups are elite on defense. So elite that we're beating teams with some pretty terrible offense. If we can replace Dinwiddie with Lillard, those guys are about the same defensively and Lillard is a MASSIVE upgrade on offense. And it pushes Dinwiddie to the bench where he's at his best on a really good team.

Dame might've been the best guard in the league this year and he's a super high character guy. I'd bet on him any day.


Were not a contender with Dame. I don't know why anyone thinks we would be.

I like Bridges, but its way to early to say hes capable of being the leading star on a title team. Lillard can't be the main guy.

He needs to go play with Embiid or Giannis.

Nets should just focus on developing talent for now and see where it goes.


Bridges will be 27 next year. We need to pair him up with a great player sooner than later.


Only if it makes sense.

Taking Dame at 33 and paying him 60 million in 3 years makes little sense.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#249 » by Hello Brooklyn » Fri Apr 14, 2023 3:18 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:Dame is not the guy anyway. Hes too old and makes way too much money.

If we did trade for a star I would prefer Luka or Tatum. Sometimes its best to hold your powder dry.

Till then we need to keep developing Bridges/Clax/Cam. And rehabilitate Simmons.


I'd rather get Simmons off of the books. I see zero reason to devote any time rehabilitating him. Regardless of his back, he's a headcase.

You make great points on Lillard though. Damn.


We can't trade his contract anyway. We have to rehabilitate him.

People forget during the win streak he was looking really good. Many said he was at his previous level on defense.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#250 » by Marvin Martian » Fri Apr 14, 2023 3:33 am

Bridges is 26, not 20. We are running out of time. We shouldn't be content with wasting his talent when he is prepared to do more for this franchise than KD and Ky ever did.

If the Nets won't commit to getting him help, then you might as well as trade him this offseason. Because he doesn't get hurt and he has enough talent to stop this team from doing a proper tank in the future
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#251 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Apr 14, 2023 2:55 pm

Marvin Martian wrote:Bridges is 26, not 20. We are running out of time. We shouldn't be content with wasting his talent when he is prepared to do more for this franchise than KD and Ky ever did.

If the Nets won't commit to getting him help, then you might as well as trade him this offseason. Because he doesn't get hurt and he has enough talent to stop this team from doing a proper tank in the future


Exactly. This has to be a consideration. Do we want to waste the next 2 years rehabilitating Simmons or do we want to actually maximize this guy while he's in his prime?
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#252 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Apr 14, 2023 2:56 pm

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Were not a contender with Dame. I don't know why anyone thinks we would be.

I like Bridges, but its way to early to say hes capable of being the leading star on a title team. Lillard can't be the main guy.

He needs to go play with Embiid or Giannis.

Nets should just focus on developing talent for now and see where it goes.


Bridges will be 27 next year. We need to pair him up with a great player sooner than later.


Only if it makes sense.

Taking Dame at 33 and paying him 60 million in 3 years makes little sense.


I guess, but we need to remember, we aren't in control of our own picks and Bridges is not some young kid. we need to make a step forward.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#253 » by Hello Brooklyn » Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:10 pm

Marvin Martian wrote:Bridges is 26, not 20. We are running out of time. We shouldn't be content with wasting his talent when he is prepared to do more for this franchise than KD and Ky ever did.

If the Nets won't commit to getting him help, then you might as well as trade him this offseason. Because he doesn't get hurt and he has enough talent to stop this team from doing a proper tank in the future


Going all in just doesn't make sense right now.

Bridges and Dame are not winning the East.

Makes more sense to wait. Its not the end of the world if we are just a treadmill team for a few years.

I'd rather trade Bridges than just go all in again on some non contender and lose more picks.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#254 » by Marvin Martian » Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:24 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
Marvin Martian wrote:Bridges is 26, not 20. We are running out of time. We shouldn't be content with wasting his talent when he is prepared to do more for this franchise than KD and Ky ever did.

If the Nets won't commit to getting him help, then you might as well as trade him this offseason. Because he doesn't get hurt and he has enough talent to stop this team from doing a proper tank in the future


Going all in just doesn't make sense right now.

Bridges and Dame are not winning the East.

Makes more sense to wait. Its not the end of the world if we are just a treadmill team for a few years.

I'd rather trade Bridges than just go all in again on some non contender and lose more picks.


In a few years, Bridges amazingly cheap contract will expire, and with the way he is playing, he will ask for at least double his current pay. Waiting will kill the future financial flexibility of the team.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#255 » by TheNetsFan » Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:37 pm

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Bridges will be 27 next year. We need to pair him up with a great player sooner than later.


Only if it makes sense.

Taking Dame at 33 and paying him 60 million in 3 years makes little sense.


I guess, but we need to remember, we aren't in control of our own picks and Bridges is not some young kid. we need to make a step forward.

Bridges is not some old guy either. He's just entering his prime and probably has another decade plus worth of basketball ahead. We're much better off taking our time now & finding a guy with longevity (at the expense of a season or two), than going all in on a 2-3 year stopgap & then having to find a new star when Mikal & Cam J are 29-30.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#256 » by CalamityX12 » Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:46 pm

Any real truth to winning our current eastern structure, IMO, is to have that Durant level player or start adding/improving the interior presence in order to help combat the Giannis and Embiid.

Having Durant helped offset that significant disadavantage we have and Dame aint it.

if we looking for immediate finals like competition, gotta fix the inside dilemma first. IMO
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#257 » by Marvin Martian » Fri Apr 14, 2023 8:25 pm

Kristaps Porzingis would be a great fit at PF. Unlike Cam J and DFS, Porzingis can score at all 3 levels and he has the length to contest shots at the rim. Having him along with Clax would be great defensively. If Clax gets beat on the outside, KP will guard the rim and vice versa
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#258 » by Hello Brooklyn » Fri Apr 14, 2023 8:31 pm

Marvin Martian wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:
Marvin Martian wrote:Bridges is 26, not 20. We are running out of time. We shouldn't be content with wasting his talent when he is prepared to do more for this franchise than KD and Ky ever did.

If the Nets won't commit to getting him help, then you might as well as trade him this offseason. Because he doesn't get hurt and he has enough talent to stop this team from doing a proper tank in the future


Going all in just doesn't make sense right now.

Bridges and Dame are not winning the East.

Makes more sense to wait. Its not the end of the world if we are just a treadmill team for a few years.

I'd rather trade Bridges than just go all in again on some non contender and lose more picks.


In a few years, Bridges amazingly cheap contract will expire, and with the way he is playing, he will ask for at least double his current pay. Waiting will kill the future financial flexibility of the team.


lol so make a move in a few years. Not now.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#259 » by Tha King » Fri Apr 14, 2023 9:14 pm

agree with the wait and see approach. Not really sure Bridges is a clear #2 on a contender just yet as well.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#260 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Apr 14, 2023 9:59 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
Marvin Martian wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:
Going all in just doesn't make sense right now.

Bridges and Dame are not winning the East.

Makes more sense to wait. Its not the end of the world if we are just a treadmill team for a few years.

I'd rather trade Bridges than just go all in again on some non contender and lose more picks.


In a few years, Bridges amazingly cheap contract will expire, and with the way he is playing, he will ask for at least double his current pay. Waiting will kill the future financial flexibility of the team.


lol so make a move in a few years. Not now.


This team is going to bleed financially as well. Don't forget that part. Fans aren't going to show up next season for this.

It's f*cked honestly. I know we have some future firsts that might yield some good talent, but in the interim this team is doomed.
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