Summer 2023 Trade Thread

[Malapropism]

Ok, crazy idea time: Siakiam, OG for Simons, Sharpe, Nurkic, Blazers lottery pick, 2 futures and 1 swap?

Dame
OG
Little
Grant
Siakiam

This is a massive overpay. That team has no upside. If that's the best they can do I sincerely hope Cronin realizes he should trade Dame.

[Jsun947]

Ok, crazy idea time: Siakiam, OG for Simons, Sharpe, Nurkic, Blazers lottery pick, 2 futures and 1 swap?

Dame
OG
Little
Grant
Siakiam

All of these trades are completely moronic until we know what pick we have. If Toronto loses VanVleet, Trent, and Nurse and they're going into the last year of OG & Siakam's deal then they are negotiating from a position of weakness trading those two.

Portland with the #2 pick and Simons as a trade asset is vastly different than Portland with the #7-8 pick and SImons. Frankly I think Simons & #2 to a rebuilding Toronto team is more value then they'll ever get out of trading OG & Siakam to someone else.

[GEE]

Ok, crazy idea time: Siakiam, OG for Simons, Sharpe, Nurkic, Blazers lottery pick, 2 futures and 1 swap?

Dame
OG
Little
Grant
Siakiam

All of these trades are completely moronic until we know what pick we have. If Toronto loses VanVleet, Trent, and Nurse and they're going into the last year of OG & Siakam's deal then they are negotiating from a position of weakness trading those two.

Portland with the #2 pick and Simons as a trade asset is vastly different than Portland with the #7-8 pick and SImons. Frankly I think Simons & #2 to a rebuilding Toronto team is more value then they'll ever get out of trading OG & Siakam to someone else.

Although I would agree that the above trade is suspect and likely wouldn't win squat, I don't think the trades I suggested are "moronic" at all. Possible poor choice of verbage there , but I factored Nurkic as slight negative value to another team combined with the addition of Dame, and though I have a favorite or two earlier in this thread, I think I'd consider doing any one of them, and feel they are all somewhat feasible.

Our lottery pick has nothing to do with the future of Dame IMO. Regardless of whether Dame decides to stay or go, we wil likely use the pick to add a really good post presence, whether we draft that player, or use the pick in trade for that player. NYK pick plus a future 2nd to the Bulls seems also likely.

[DusterBuster]

Ok, crazy idea time: Siakiam, OG for Simons, Sharpe, Nurkic, Blazers lottery pick, 2 futures and 1 swap?

Dame
OG
Little
Grant
Siakiam

All of these trades are completely moronic until we know what pick we have. If Toronto loses VanVleet, Trent, and Nurse and they're going into the last year of OG & Siakam's deal then they are negotiating from a position of weakness trading those two.

Portland with the #2 pick and Simons as a trade asset is vastly different than Portland with the #7-8 pick and SImons. Frankly I think Simons & #2 to a rebuilding Toronto team is more value then they'll ever get out of trading OG & Siakam to someone else.

Obviously they are. I’ve long said the the lottery is a red letter day for the Blazers summer plans. Any of these trades I’m discussing right now are assuming the Blazers are 5-9, and in reality, that’s more like 6-8, but regardless, I’m assuming the Blazers are where they are or dropping.

Any scenario where the Blazers moves up changes the calculus exponentially with each position moved up. Didn’t think that needed to be spelled out, but there ya go.

[DusterBuster]

Our lottery pick has nothing to do with the future of Dame IMO. Regardless of whether Dame decides to stay or go, we wil likely use the pick to add a really good post presence, whether we draft that player, or use the pick in trade for that player. NYK pick plus a future 2nd to the Bulls seems also likely.

I disagree with this. I actually think the lottery pick is the linchpin of if Dame stays or goes. If the Blazers move up (increasing in value to other teams or the Blazers @ 1), the chances of Dame stay goes up with it, if it goes down (decreasing it’s value to other teams), it makes the chances Dame leaves greater because making deals gets harder.

[Norm2953]

I don't know if Portland ending up at 2-4 really makes that much difference unless Scoot or someone else
just blows up in the workouts.

It would be interesting to see what Portland does if they win the lottery. Victor is still going to need some
time to adjust to the league and there will be those in Portland who might advocate to trade the draft
rights for a instant fix for all those guys that might be available would be available to Portland if they
traded the draft rights to Victor.

[PDXKnight]

I don't know if Portland ending up at 2-4 really makes that much difference unless Scoot or someone else
just blows up in the workouts.

It would be interesting to see what Portland does if they win the lottery. Victor is still going to need some
time to adjust to the league and there will be those in Portland who might advocate to trade the draft
rights for a instant fix for all those guys that might be available would be available to Portland if they
traded the draft rights to Victor.

I wonder what kind of package vic would draw. It'd probably take a top 5-10player to make it worth what we might be giving up in vic and who knows if any of those teams would consider that even for a highly revered talent.

More than likely we wouldn't deal vic away if we win the lotto as vic is probably enough to keep dame happy despite what he said about playing with younger players. Vic is a generational talent that you take a risk on and unless you can pull giannis or embeiid or some other super-duper star (very very unlikely) you just roll with it and find out what you've got with or without Dame on board (hopefully and very likely Dame would be down with playing with vic)

[Jsun947]

The problem with trading Vic for a super duper star includes needing to come up with roughly $40,000,000 in salary as well, which is Difficult when all the guys on our team making money are also the good players you’d need to keep.

[BlazersBroncos]

Trading Vic would be nuts.

[Goldbum]

How about something like this
Ant + NYK pick
4
OG + Precious Achiuwa
I feel like Achiuwa is going to break out.
I love that he could backup both Grant at PF or OG at SF with Grant sliding to SF. He can play small ball center, but that's not ideal. The guy is a powerful freak athlete, plays with force and is a borderline elite defender.
I can't take credit for the idea it was suggested by a national writer(can't remember who...sorry), who proposed the trade without the NYK pick. I don't think that gets it done so I added the first. I think if FVV opts out this trade could happen.
Another I like
Dame + Nurkic
4
Bridges + Simmons + some draft capital.
Then Simons
4
Suggs+ Isaac (negative asset)+Bol
Suggs
Sharpe
Bridges
Simmons
Bol

Isaac as a negative asset gets ORL to bite.
They have the size to sacrifice Bol.
Suggs is my pick to replace Ant as PGOTF
and in my eyes fits perfectly with Sharpe in our backcourt.
Having Simmons as a playmaker keeps a dynamic passing player on the court at all times and Bol's shooting balances with Simmons lack there of.
We do a sign in trade of Grant for a future 1st to a competing team without the space to sign him(taking on an expiring to make it work).
We draft either Walker or Amen with our pick and sign Mayes to a Watford type contract.
That's just so much defense/playmaking to put around Sharpe and he gets the green light to grow as a primary scorer.

[PDXKnight]

Trading Vic would be nuts.

In theory yes unless something unrealistic comes our way

[PDXKnight]

The problem with trading Vic for a super duper star includes needing to come up with roughly $40,000,000 in salary as well, which is Difficult when all the guys on our team making money are also the good players you’d need to keep.

Might be hard with anfs contract but him plus nurk are about 40 mil give or take next year

[Blaze the Nugz]

Over half the league is in "win now" mode. This team is multiple pieces from contending but lacks the ammo to acquire those multiple pieces. The best move, and I think the vast majority of pundits agree, is to do right by Dame and trade him to a team with another superstar for picks and young talent. Easier said than done, I know. But if you look at this team objectively, it's just too far away from contending to make it work with Dame.

Blow it up. Start 5 youngsters, get another high draft pick, convert draft capital to win-now players when ready to contend.

[m0ng0]

Over half the league is in "win now" mode. This team is multiple pieces from contending but lacks the ammo to acquire those multiple pieces. The best move, and I think the vast majority of pundits agree, is to do right by Dame and trade him to a team with another superstar for picks and young talent. Easier said than done, I know. But if you look at this team objectively, it's just too far away from contending to make it work with Dame.

Blow it up. Start 5 youngsters, get another high draft pick, convert draft capital to win-now players when ready to contend.

Should have done it last year, but we folks were CRAZY PEOPLE!!!

Everybody is so caught up in a "big 2 or 3". How about we take a more Golden stateish approach and build and draft a good "team" where everybody has a role and we continue to draft the right people for the team. We have Schmitz or whatever his name is, let him work, have a vision and build it.

He hit pretty good last year with Sharpe and Walker, let him do his thing again. This pie in the sky fantasy basketball approach never seems to work and is unrealistic considering we are Portland and nobody really wants to play here.

If that involves Dame that's fantastic but if it does not lets build for the future and do it the right way this time.

[ArthurVandelay]

This trade assumes Lillard is not traded and Portland not picking #1 in 2023. I gather most posters here oppose Liklard staying and are seeking full rebuild so please note this is if Lillard stays. Trade works on Fanspo trade machine (with both Little or S&T Thybulle).

Chicago IN: NY 2023 1st, ATL 2023 2nd, CHA/MIN 2024 2nd
Chicago OUT: rights to Portland future first

Portland IN: Siakam, Adebayo, Flynn, Highsmith
Portland OUT: Simons, Nurkic, Sharpe, Little or S&T Thybulle, Johnson, Walker, 2025/2027/2029 firsts, ATL 2023 2nd, CHA/MIN 2024 2nd

Miami IN: Simons, Nurkic, Walker, Portland 2025/2027/2029 firsts
Miami OUT: Adebayo, Highsmith

Toronto IN: Sharpe, Little or S&T Thybulle, Johnson, Portland 2023 1st
Toronto OUT: Siakam, Flynn


Portland lineup:
Lillard, Flynn
Thybulle
Grant, Highsmith
Siakam, Watford
Adebayo
*With MLE, BAE, TE, vet min, and bird rights to Reddish, Knox, Eubanks, Winslow to round out roster.

[DaVoiceMaster]

Portland trades: Simons, Nurkic, Little, NYK Pick
Portland Receives: DeRozen, Turner, Portland Pick
Why: Talent and remove the issue with a pick owed to Chicago. I think this is a little light though.

Chicago Trades: DeRozen, Portland Pick
Chicago Receives: Nurkic, Isaac's, NYK Pick
Why: The Bulls need to shake it up a bit. With Nurkic, they don't need to resign Vucevic. They get a young talent in Isaacs, as well as a pick in this years draft.

Orlando Trades: Carter Jr, Isaacs
Orlando Receives: Simons
Why: They get a young talented offensive player, which they need. They have a good size PG to pair with him.

Indiana Trades: Turner
Indiana Receives: Carter Jr, Little
Why: They get a cheaper, yet talented center in Carter Jr and another young player in Little.

What more is needed? Does the #5 pick need to go to Chicago?

Lillard / Johnson
Sharpe / Thybulle
DeRozen /
Grant / Watford / Walker
Turner / Eubanks

[Norm2953]

It would be interesting what offers Portland would get if the draft rights to Victor were up for
auction for the win now pieces.

Remember though, these win now proposals provide a window of perhaps 2-3 years or as long as
Dame's contract runs. If they win the lottery and build around Ant, Sharpe and Victor, that team
will need time to grown together, but when they are ready, could be good for 7-8 years for all
are under 25 in 2023-24.

That's the question Portland faces this off season is it in the franchises best interest to do right
by Dame and craft a win now strategy or go young and build around Ant, Sharpe and whoever
they pick at 5 and seek a Dame trade package that will help the new young core eventually win?

[BlazersBroncos]

Portland trades: Simons, Nurkic, Little, NYK Pick
Portland Receives: DeRozen, Turner, Portland Pick
Why: Talent and remove the issue with a pick owed to Chicago. I think this is a little light though.

Chicago Trades: DeRozen, Portland Pick
Chicago Receives: Nurkic, Isaac's, NYK Pick
Why: The Bulls need to shake it up a bit. With Nurkic, they don't need to resign Vucevic. They get a young talent in Isaacs, as well as a pick in this years draft.

Orlando Trades: Carter Jr, Isaacs
Orlando Receives: Simons
Why: They get a young talented offensive player, which they need. They have a good size PG to pair with him.

Indiana Trades: Turner
Indiana Receives: Carter Jr, Little
Why: They get a cheaper, yet talented center in Carter Jr and another young player in Little.

What more is needed? Does the #5 pick need to go to Chicago?

Lillard / Johnson
Sharpe / Thybulle
DeRozen /
Grant / Watford / Walker
Turner / Eubanks

I think Simons for DDR is fair - I dont see IND moving Turner for a downgrade at C and a meh guy in Little.

Think it would have to be Simons + NYK FRP for DDR + PDX FRP - then something like Nurkic + 2 FRP for Turner. I probably would do that - this is a really well balanced roster -

G - Damian Lillard / George Hill (FA) / Reece Beekman (43)
G - Matisse Thybulle / Shadeon Sharpe
F - Demar DeRozan / Nas Little / Kevin Knox
F - Jerami Grant / Jarace Walker (5) / Jabari Walker JR
C - Myles Turner / Drew Eubanks / Trendon Watford

[DaVoiceMaster]

Portland trades: Simons, Nurkic, Little, NYK Pick
Portland Receives: DeRozen, Turner, Portland Pick
Why: Talent and remove the issue with a pick owed to Chicago. I think this is a little light though.

Chicago Trades: DeRozen, Portland Pick
Chicago Receives: Nurkic, Isaac's, NYK Pick
Why: The Bulls need to shake it up a bit. With Nurkic, they don't need to resign Vucevic. They get a young talent in Isaacs, as well as a pick in this years draft.

Orlando Trades: Carter Jr, Isaacs
Orlando Receives: Simons
Why: They get a young talented offensive player, which they need. They have a good size PG to pair with him.

Indiana Trades: Turner
Indiana Receives: Carter Jr, Little
Why: They get a cheaper, yet talented center in Carter Jr and another young player in Little.

What more is needed? Does the #5 pick need to go to Chicago?

Lillard / Johnson
Sharpe / Thybulle
DeRozen /
Grant / Watford / Walker
Turner / Eubanks

I think Simons for DDR is fair - I dont see IND moving Turner for a downgrade at C and a meh guy in Little.

Think it would have to be Simons + NYK FRP for DDR + PDX FRP - then something like Nurkic + 2 FRP for Turner. I probably would do that - this is a really well balanced roster -

G - Damian Lillard / George Hill (FA) / Reece Beekman (43)
G - Matisse Thybulle / Shadeon Sharpe
F - Demar DeRozan / Nas Little / Kevin Knox
F - Jerami Grant / Jarace Walker (5) / Jabari Walker JR
C - Myles Turner / Drew Eubanks / Trendon Watford

I don't hate that at all. Maybe add Love as another backup big, as well.

[PDXKnight]

Over half the league is in "win now" mode. This team is multiple pieces from contending but lacks the ammo to acquire those multiple pieces. The best move, and I think the vast majority of pundits agree, is to do right by Dame and trade him to a team with another superstar for picks and young talent. Easier said than done, I know. But if you look at this team objectively, it's just too far away from contending to make it work with Dame.

Blow it up. Start 5 youngsters, get another high draft pick, convert draft capital to win-now players when ready to contend.

Should have done it last year, but we folks were CRAZY PEOPLE!!!

Everybody is so caught up in a "big 2 or 3". How about we take a more Golden stateish approach and build and draft a good "team" where everybody has a role and we continue to draft the right people for the team. We have Schmitz or whatever his name is, let him work, have a vision and build it.

He hit pretty good last year with Sharpe and Walker, let him do his thing again. This pie in the sky fantasy basketball approach never seems to work and is unrealistic considering we are Portland and nobody really wants to play here.

If that involves Dame that's fantastic but if it does not lets build for the future and do it the right way this time.

I've been saying blow it up about 4 years now, even at 50 wins the writing was on the wall when we didn't have the assets for a second let alone third all star

Fatal mistake number 1 was not picking up ainge who I think would've chose portland over utah. Ainge is from here and has portland ties I'm still pissed about that as I was screaming for him since he and Boston went separate ways. I think he'd still come here if we got off our butts bit unfortunately bert always opts for yes men over skilled men