Why is Jordan so insecure about his legacy

[OdomFan]

Sounds more like you're insecure about Jordan in general.

So what that he made fun of Jerry. Jerry was a grown man when he was running that team, and from what I recall was very unlikable to majority of the Bulls staff during that time. I'm sure most of, if not all of the team and maybe even coach Phil Jackson had some names in mind for that guy.

Lol at you bringing up his sons personal life. His son is a grown man and that decision of him getting together with Scotties ex wife has nothing to do with Michael Jordan or his legacy. Not even sure why you brought that up other than for the reason I said at the top.

Charles Oakley is also a grown man with his own decisions. You act like these people are video game characters that MJ controls with a joystick. They are not. Oakley has always been outspoken so it's no surprise that he had something to say about Isiah. When he was with the Knicks he spoke out about Michael and the Bulls too in not so friendly ways. It's just the way he is. Has nothing to do with MJs legacy.

So where does the insecurity really stem from? definitely nothing you suggested in this thread. Last I checked MJ lets the fans and media make that decision. He just went out there and played the game and succeeded very well at it. He might have called himself black jesus to take opponents off their game in the middle of a game, but he never once said he was the best ever, and that's something I'll always respect him for. You say Lebrons the best teammate, yet the fact that he has no memorable coaches plays a part in why I disagree with that.

Year after year Lebrons coaches all do the same thing more often than not. Give him the ball. Draw up plays that pretty much runs through him running around to kick the ball out to somebody. It work quite a bit because of his basketball IQ being so high, but I can't help but wonder how much better he could have been if he had played within an actual system the way MJ and the Bulls did with Phil and Tex Winters triangle offense and defense gameplans.

This is the key reason why the Bulls continued to be great after Jordan retired while every team Lebron left behind fell apart right after. They had no system other than let Lebron do whatever so once he was gone they had to literally go back to the drawing board. That doesn't sound like the best teammate if you ask me. Not to mention Lebrons leaving the team as soon as the chances of them winning again becoming lesser and less likely.

You say Jerry was the better GM? I say he got a little lucky that some of the decisions he made worked out. It seemed like Jerry hated everything about his most succesful 1990s team. He from what I read did not like Phil Jackson at all. Did not like Michael or Scottie. He wanted to trade Scottie. Refused to even try to get Scottie paid better despite Pippen being the second best player on the team. Tell me this. If he was so good how come he never did much of anything else from 1999 till 2003 which is when he stepped down.

The Bulls went on to get better again almost right after he stepped down by putting together the baby bulls roster and going on to sweep the defending champion Heat in 2007. Never won a championship again, but remained a very good contender consistently for a good little while. All without Jerry.

Jerrys time of success in the 1990s does make him a better GM than Michael, but nothing he did in that short time after the championship era makes me think that he would have done any better if he was the General Manager of the Hornets at any point of this modern era instead of Michael.

[DOT]

the Bulls continued to be great after Jordan retired while every team Lebron left behind fell apart right after

I don't think this would be a pro-MJ argument.

[balla4lyf23]

lmao your whole post reaks of insecurity are you kidding me? bring up his son dating scotties ex-wife? what dies that have to do with anything?

great Friday post, gave me a good laugh, thx!

[OdomFan]

the Bulls continued to be great after Jordan retired while every team Lebron left behind fell apart right after

I don't think this would be a pro-MJ argument.

Well its not supposed to be. I was pointing out the difference between a team that has a actual good coaching system vs one (Lebrons) that relied heavily on letting him run the entire thing himself more often than not. That is why the Bulls continued to be good and won 55 games in 1994 while the Cavs fell apart and went from winning 61 games in 2010 to only 19 a year later. Their entire identity was just gone. Plus they had a new coach.

[Blacksheep25]

It’s impossible to compare the top few guys across different eras and the old timers are always insecure. Jordan isn’t any different than Jim Brown. Jim Brown was constantly passive aggressive about all the RBs after him. I’d watch old Jim Brown highlights from before I was alive and saw him dragging a pile 10 yards play after play and be amazed. All my fathers generation would insist no one was close. Are they right? I have no idea?


He was amazing, but he weighed more than your average LB and close to half the tackles. There’s a reason all the amazing RB highlight films were from the 60s and 70s. Jack Lambert and Jack Ham weighed 215. Tackles weighed 255. A 230lb monster could drag those guys. Now you’re being met by 330lb guys on the first level and 260lb linebackers. No one alive ever could push a pile of that 10 yards play after play.

Jordan/Jim Brown/Wilt, all those dudes were insecure about their legacies. You aren’t that great if you’re not a little messed up in the head and pathologically competitive to where you can’t lose at anything. That’s a personality type. It doesn’t go away when the games end.

[mccluskey]

Jordan: "Son, Scottie said some bad things about me. Go f*** Larsa for me."

[Joao Saraiva]

Well we got enough evidence on MJ being a moron outside the court.

That, for me at least, as nothing to do with the evaluation of his in court play. Otherwise I'd put Karl Malone outside the top 1000, because he's definitely one of the biggest idiots ever.

Jordan promoting his brand and his status... I guess it's normal. And it sells. Was he a bad teammate? I guess yes. He punched a guy during practice, he talked bad to a bunch of people, he didn't thank anyone at his hall of fame speech.

Oh well, he can have any posture he wants. It's his right to be an idiot.

[Wallace_Wallace]

You should go watch this new movie "Air". I'm pretty sure that was not how the whole meeting went.

[Xatticus]

I think his fans are worse than he is.....if thats possible.

His fans started all the animosity with any and every player that gets close. Kobe was called a rapist by his fans until he died. They hated Kobe like they now hate Bron.

Or perhaps you are making false associations?

One doesn't have to be a fan of Jordan to believe he is the best player they have seen.

One doesn't have to be a Jordan fan to believe Kobe raped someone.

One doesn't have to be a Jordan fan to despise LeBron.

[Ein Sof]

A few hot takes for Friday while everyone drinking their coffee


Read this article and made me think

https://aedmonds503.medium.com/thanks-to-michael-jordans-insecurities-we-re-getting-a-20-year-old-documentary-d23206263c30

We have done endless polls around here and everyone still picks him year after year as the Goat. He is part of what made the NBA so popular.

I don't understand why he is so threatened by Lebron. The whole last dance thing really made me dislike him to the point where I'd rather build a team around Tim Duncan . He made fun of Jerry Krause weight even though he was a better gm than Jordan ever has been and has his son date scotties x. He just does a lot of petty stuff and isn't sorry for it deep down.

Alot of people have smoke with him. Charles Barkley nice enough not to air out his laundry dirty from gambling. He also has Charles Oakley go out there and insult Isiah Thomas. Even though I don't like Isiah from his Knicks antics I feel he ain't trying to hold on to old beef.

So where does the insecurity really stem from. He was also an excellent defender. Probably one of the best. Really the only reason the lebron goat debate goes on is because Jordan has beef he still refuses to let go. I mean as whiney as lebron is I would say he is probably a better teammate to have.

At the end of the day lebron is just a dude that tried to make a success out of his life despite not having a father and making the mistakes when you don't have that in.life. Jordan of all people should understand how important his father was to him.
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With LeBron's ascendance, people came to realize what unfiltered greatness looks like. MJ's legacy as a mentally soft shoe salesman paled in comparison.

[alebaba]

Jordan never ever claim hes the goat, how is he insecure. You Lebron fans are the most insecure, making trash threads like this...

[Sane]

How absurd. The Last Dance was just another chance for him to be the champion of something in basketball (champion of having the best show) and he NAAAAAAAAAIIIILED it. None of these other copycat shows are even coming close. Just another MJ thing.

[Cavsfansince84]

o boy, this thread is just what the gb needed as the playoffs are rolling around.

[Ni Da Ye]

I think his fans are worse than he is.....if thats possible.

His fans started all the animosity with any and every player that gets close. Kobe was called a rapist by his fans until he died. They hated Kobe like they now hate Bron.

Nope. I only hate Kobe whether or not he is alive or not. And I don't mind Lebron.

So what you said is full of bs.

[Jkam31]

I think his fans are worse than he is.....if thats possible.

His fans started all the animosity with any and every player that gets close. Kobe was called a rapist by his fans until he died. They hated Kobe like they now hate Bron.

Kobe is 4-5 tiers below mike

[Dubnation]

Nothing you wrote even remotely makes me think of MJ's "legscy"

Are you drinking?

[Yank3525]

Bron stans are just mad that Mike can put out the Last Dance and get casuals interested in the Jordan story again. Bron could never pull this off because outside of basketball fans, no one gives **** about him.

[zimpy27]

The man has some of the best selling shoes and makes a killing from marketing still..

He may not be the best GM but he's a smart business man.

Look for LeBron staying relevant like this after player retirement too.

Only fans are insecure, these athletes are making money hand over fist and are deified.

[Ben-N1ce]

Apr 26, 2020

[KyRo23]

Really weird thread.

Really weird posts in here as well. Not everyone who doesn't like Jordan is a LeBron stan... That also comes off as insecure