Trade Discussion 22/23

[41Dirk41]

Nico said in his exit interview that as much as he loves DFS the human being, they (the team) were not as good defensively when he was on the floor with them.

He would raise our defense a bit (because Dallas is at rock bottom right now and any slight upgrade is an upgrade) but not raise it enough to a point where you want it to move the needle. So that being said and coming from management itself, I dont think they'd make a move for DFS at all. Time to try other 3&D players.

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If you trade a player without and not replace him this is what happens.

First Brunson and now DFS.
But right now the situation is drammatic and they will make a lot of moves next summer, this is the last opportunity before Luka asks for a trade.

[daoneandonly]

Thybulle for the MLE? He shot 38.8% from 3 for Portland and is still an elite perimeter defender.

Substitute Thybulle for Holiday in my trade scenario and I think he'd be a great guy to sign for MLE.

Luka/Wright/Frank
Kyrie/Hardy/
Green/Thybulle/Lawson
Collins/Bertans/Morris?
Capela/McGee/Powell

Pretty good blend of offense and defense.

Think it is a bit of an overpay as well. And our starting 5 is still questionable on D. We know Luka, Kyrie, and Collins are not good defenders. Jury is still out on Green, so Capela can't cover for everyone

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Nico said in his exit interview that as much as he loves DFS the human being, they (the team) were not as good defensively when he was on the floor with them.

He would raise our defense a bit (because Dallas is at rock bottom right now and any slight upgrade is an upgrade) but not raise it enough to a point where you want it to move the needle. So that being said and coming from management itself, I dont think they'd make a move for DFS at all. Time to try other 3&D players.

It takes a special type of talent to dismantle a championship winning team and a team that goes to WCF. Cuban has proven he's really good at that.

I think DFS had a voice on the floor. He often pumped up the team and was somewhat of a leader. Granted, everyone saw his decline from last season and Green emerged as a possible replacement. But his leadership and presence is what this team missed. I wouldn't mind if they can somehow get him back and he starts playing better again. From what i saw, he wasn't that good on the Nets either, so maybe a cheap deal?

All in all, i agree that this team would need to completely change winds and go in other direction because if you're trying to do the same thing over and over again and it's not working, that's definition of insanity.

[arkuo]

Nico said in his exit interview that as much as he loves DFS the human being, they (the team) were not as good defensively when he was on the floor with them.

He would raise our defense a bit (because Dallas is at rock bottom right now and any slight upgrade is an upgrade) but not raise it enough to a point where you want it to move the needle. So that being said and coming from management itself, I dont think they'd make a move for DFS at all. Time to try other 3&D players.

It takes a special type of talent to dismantle a championship winning team and a team that goes to WCF. Cuban has proven he's really good at that.

I think DFS had a voice on the floor. He often pumped up the team and was somewhat of a leader. Granted, everyone saw his decline from last season and Green emerged as a possible replacement. But his leadership and presence is what this team missed. I wouldn't mind if they can somehow get him back and he starts playing better again. From what i saw, he wasn't that good on the Nets either, so maybe a cheap deal?

All in all, i agree that this team would need to completely change winds and go in other direction because if you're trying to do the same thing over and over again and it's not working, that's definition of insanity.

Cuban feels he's some tech genius who can see lightyears ahead of the game. But the truth is his wallet is just not as thick as the Balmers of the world. So he masks some of these weaknesses by saying Tyson's new contract will lock the Mavs up for years etc etc. Selling plan powder to the common folk. At some point the public will catch on to the smoke and mirrors act. But at the end of the day, it's his money and it's a business. He just hustles everyone into believing things like a political campaign. Bottomline is Mavs team is not as rich as the LA teams and Dallas is no free agent destination. Mavs have to be extra creative in building a team around Luka and Kyrie, which they said they will do. They've acknowledged the problem, they've said they will make steps into solving said problem. So we'll see what kind of genius trick Mr. Nike can pull off this summer to address DEFENSE and REBOUNDING. As those two he clearly mentioned in his exit interview. His moves this summer will define if he's a good GM or another Donnie Nelson 2.0 IMO.

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Cuban feels he's some tech genius who can see lightyears ahead of the game. But the truth is his wallet is just not as thick as the Balmers of the world. So he masks some of these weaknesses by saying Tyson's new contract will lock the Mavs up for years etc etc. Selling plan powder to the common folk. At some point the public will catch on to the smoke and mirrors act. But at the end of the day, it's his money and it's a business. He just hustles everyone into believing things like a political campaign. Bottomline is Mavs team is not as rich as the LA teams and Dallas is no free agent destination. Mavs have to be extra creative in building a team around Luka and Kyrie, which they said they will do. They've acknowledged the problem, they've said they will make steps into solving said problem. So we'll see what kind of genius trick Mr. Nike can pull off this summer to address DEFENSE and REBOUNDING. As those two he clearly mentioned in his exit interview. His moves this summer will define if he's a good GM or another Donnie Nelson 2.0 IMO.

He's no tech genius, I've spent my proffisional career around these types, he's far from it.
I think Cuban just hit his spending limit, he has no FCF from other businesses and can't get the credit necessary for expensive roster, his mistakes ended up costing him more this year.
Cuban should invest in a pro, and let him run things, he's in over his head, and it'l cost him the gym he found in Luka.
Ballmer has been a high ranking executive in the most politically connected corporate for ages, Cuban is a nobody next to him.

[arkuo]

Cuban feels he's some tech genius who can see lightyears ahead of the game. But the truth is his wallet is just not as thick as the Balmers of the world. So he masks some of these weaknesses by saying Tyson's new contract will lock the Mavs up for years etc etc. Selling plan powder to the common folk. At some point the public will catch on to the smoke and mirrors act. But at the end of the day, it's his money and it's a business. He just hustles everyone into believing things like a political campaign. Bottomline is Mavs team is not as rich as the LA teams and Dallas is no free agent destination. Mavs have to be extra creative in building a team around Luka and Kyrie, which they said they will do. They've acknowledged the problem, they've said they will make steps into solving said problem. So we'll see what kind of genius trick Mr. Nike can pull off this summer to address DEFENSE and REBOUNDING. As those two he clearly mentioned in his exit interview. His moves this summer will define if he's a good GM or another Donnie Nelson 2.0 IMO.

He's no tech genius, I've spent my proffisional career around these types, he's far from it.
I think Cuban just hit his spending limit, he has no FCF from other businesses and can't get the credit necessary for expensive roster, his mistakes ended up costing him more this year.
Cuban should invest in a pro, and let him run things, he's in over his head, and it'l cost him the gym he found in Luka.
Ballmer has been a high ranking executive in the most politically connected corporate for ages, Cuban is a nobody next to him.

I agree. He's just faking it til he makes it. It's marketing for his brand. The Mark Cuban brand so he csn get investors. Especially if he's partnering up with the big boys from Vegas to turn some area of Dallas into a resort casino.

But going back to basketball, the Kings leaned on an undersized big man who doesnt play defense at all in Sabonis. All season long they've started him at center and ended up 2nd or 3rd in the west. So their formula worked, Mavs' formula didnt. And I think the difference is Bullock in the starting 5. I've said it before and that I think the root cause if these problems are Bullock and Powell. Those are the only difference the Mavs have with the #2 Kings. Because they have Barnes and Sabonis manning those positions. Others are almost equal with what the Mavs have. The Mavs need to bring those two back on the bench and get quality starters to replace them. The difference should be night and day.

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The tanking job Mavs did kinda blew up way more than i expected. It was even on CNN lol... I wonder if that will be an aditional problem when Mavs try to lure free agents. We already know they're not good at that but it's just another one of Cuban's masterplan blunders which puts this team to shame.

Obviously players chase rings/money, whatever... but at some point you have to wonder what players really think of Mavs and ownership doing stunts like that.

[arkuo]

The tanking job Mavs did kinda blew up way more than i expected. It was even on CNN lol... I wonder if that will be an aditional problem when Mavs try to lure free agents. We already know they're not good at that but it's just another one of Cuban's masterplan blunders which puts this team to shame.

Obviously players chase rings/money, whatever... but at some point you have to wonder what players really think of Mavs and ownership doing stunts like that.

I think this is where Kyrie comes into play. You're signing Kyrie not just for his on court play but also his clout league wide. Luka cant recruit the good free agents. Cuban sure as hell cant recruit the good ones as he looks like he's getting clowned at every corner. They need a player with gravitas around the league to be able to talk players into joining the team. I'd like to believe part of the investment on Kyrie involves that in some sort of way. If you lock up Kyrie and Luka for the long term, pretty sure you will be able to lure one or two big names your way down the road.

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The tanking job Mavs did kinda blew up way more than i expected. It was even on CNN lol... I wonder if that will be an aditional problem when Mavs try to lure free agents. We already know they're not good at that but it's just another one of Cuban's masterplan blunders which puts this team to shame.

Obviously players chase rings/money, whatever... but at some point you have to wonder what players really think of Mavs and ownership doing stunts like that.

I think this is where Kyrie comes into play. You're signing Kyrie not just for his on court play but also his clout league wide. Luka cant recruit the good free agents. Cuban sure as hell cant recruit the good ones as he looks like he's getting clowned at every corner. They need a player with gravitas around the league to be able to talk players into joining the team. I'd like to believe part of the investment on Kyrie involves that in some sort of way. If you lock up Kyrie and Luka for the long term, pretty sure you will be able to lure one or two big names your way down the road.

Kyrie's ability to lure FAs becomes a moot point once we sign him to a franchise destroying contract.
We thought KP's was difficult to move, wait until Kyrie wants out.

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The tanking job Mavs did kinda blew up way more than i expected. It was even on CNN lol... I wonder if that will be an aditional problem when Mavs try to lure free agents. We already know they're not good at that but it's just another one of Cuban's masterplan blunders which puts this team to shame.

Obviously players chase rings/money, whatever... but at some point you have to wonder what players really think of Mavs and ownership doing stunts like that.

I think this is where Kyrie comes into play. You're signing Kyrie not just for his on court play but also his clout league wide. Luka cant recruit the good free agents. Cuban sure as hell cant recruit the good ones as he looks like he's getting clowned at every corner. They need a player with gravitas around the league to be able to talk players into joining the team. I'd like to believe part of the investment on Kyrie involves that in some sort of way. If you lock up Kyrie and Luka for the long term, pretty sure you will be able to lure one or two big names your way down the road.

I do agree to some extent and i know what you're thinking. But here are aditional questions.

Is Kyrie really THAT guy you can trust to do that? He played with all the top guys in the league and almost dismantled every team he has been on. How much of that is really his fault, we'll probably never know.

But here is also another issue. Kyrie's contract is probably going to be massive. Out of 135M available cap, two players will fill up over 90M of that cap.

So basically two questions, would you really want to resign Kyrie? And if you do resign him, do you want him to help recruit?

The way i see it right now, Mavs have ZERO% chances in free agency to sign a great player. Their only option will be MLE, Vet min and BI anual contracts. You can only get certain role players with that.

MLE will be at 11M, BI is at 5M i think and VET min is 3M, which apparently is already reserved for Powell.

[arkuo]

The tanking job Mavs did kinda blew up way more than i expected. It was even on CNN lol... I wonder if that will be an aditional problem when Mavs try to lure free agents. We already know they're not good at that but it's just another one of Cuban's masterplan blunders which puts this team to shame.

Obviously players chase rings/money, whatever... but at some point you have to wonder what players really think of Mavs and ownership doing stunts like that.

I think this is where Kyrie comes into play. You're signing Kyrie not just for his on court play but also his clout league wide. Luka cant recruit the good free agents. Cuban sure as hell cant recruit the good ones as he looks like he's getting clowned at every corner. They need a player with gravitas around the league to be able to talk players into joining the team. I'd like to believe part of the investment on Kyrie involves that in some sort of way. If you lock up Kyrie and Luka for the long term, pretty sure you will be able to lure one or two big names your way down the road.

I do agree to some extent and i know what you're thinking. But here are aditional questions.

Is Kyrie really THAT guy you can trust to do that? He played with all the top guys in the league and almost dismantled every team he has been on. How much of that is really his fault, we'll probably never know.

But here is also another issue. Kyrie's contract is probably going to be massive. Out of 135M available cap, two players will fill up over 90M of that cap.

So basically two questions, would you really want to resign Kyrie? And if you do resign him, do you want him to help recruit?

The way i see it right now, Mavs have ZERO% chances in free agency to sign a great player. Their only option will be MLE, Vet min and BI anual contracts. You can only get certain role players with that.

MLE will be at 11M, BI is at 5M i think and VET min is 3M, which apparently is already reserved for Powell.

All Im basing this off is Luka's exit interview as I do not know Kyrie personally. He said two things that kind of ended the whole should we bring back Kyrie discussion. Luka said after getting to know Kyrie on a personal level, he felt what the media reporting was false or unfair. And secondly, he mentioned that he will try to recruit Kyrie to re-sign in Dallas. So if your star player wants him back, then I can get behind that. Kyrie's problems were born out of GMs that were white as rice. Boston's white as hell, so was his GM in BKN. Trust was not established so it took a spin. With Nico and Kidd, I think they can work out his kinks. Luka will try his best to recruit him back. So we'll see if that's enough to make him think of staying.

[arkuo]

The tanking job Mavs did kinda blew up way more than i expected. It was even on CNN lol... I wonder if that will be an aditional problem when Mavs try to lure free agents. We already know they're not good at that but it's just another one of Cuban's masterplan blunders which puts this team to shame.

Obviously players chase rings/money, whatever... but at some point you have to wonder what players really think of Mavs and ownership doing stunts like that.

I think this is where Kyrie comes into play. You're signing Kyrie not just for his on court play but also his clout league wide. Luka cant recruit the good free agents. Cuban sure as hell cant recruit the good ones as he looks like he's getting clowned at every corner. They need a player with gravitas around the league to be able to talk players into joining the team. I'd like to believe part of the investment on Kyrie involves that in some sort of way. If you lock up Kyrie and Luka for the long term, pretty sure you will be able to lure one or two big names your way down the road.

Kyrie's ability to lure FAs becomes a moot point once we sign him to a franchise destroying contract.
We thought KP's was difficult to move, wait until Kyrie wants out.

I would normally go the other direction too. But looking at the FA market, those are slim pickings. None of them would also voluntarily come to Dallas. Kyle Lowry at 35 still didnt want to come to Dallas. If the choice this summer was Kyrie or go for Fred Van Vleet at $30M per year, I'd just ride it out with Kyrie. There is absolutely no one in the 2023 free agent class that can work with Luka and Dallas and bring them over the Suns, Nuggets, Memphis, Clippers etc. Fred Van Vleet is probably the next best Kyrie replacement at guard, but I would rather pay Kyrie than FVV to be honest. The money you sign Kyrie to is easily returned via advertisements etc. Cuban the guy signing his check is okay to sign him to a max. If he's okay with it, then who are we to say he's wasting money right? Its his money.

The guy whose wallet will lose $200M on signing Kyrie says its okay. So why are we helping him save money? He's clearly ok with it?

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The guy whose wallet will lose $200M on signing Kyrie says its okay. So why are we helping him save money? He's clearly ok with it?

You didn't read my last paragraphs. No owner ever cared if they give a star player 100M or 300M contract. But what they do care are CAP thresholds.
Owners only care if they go above 162M which is a final threshold (luxury cap) and then Cuban will have to pay extra $$$ to the league. And Nico (GM's) will care if they're above 135M because he will be very limited in giving out or signing contracts at free will.

So you need to understand that it doesn't matter to Cuban how much he pays Kyrie until he's below TAX, but Nico will absolutely have his hands tied when 2 guys lock up almost 70% of their normal CAP.

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I'm ok with Capela(and probably his price isn't so high because the hawks have a younger and cheaper C on the bench) but the 4th starters can't be Collins, we need a big body defender. This is a priority just like the C.

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The guy whose wallet will lose $200M on signing Kyrie says its okay. So why are we helping him save money? He's clearly ok with it?

You didn't read my last paragraphs. No owner ever cared if they give a star player 100M or 300M contract. But what they do care are CAP thresholds.
Owners only care if they go above 162M which is a final threshold (luxury cap) and then Cuban will have to pay extra $$$ to the league. And Nico (GM's) will care if they're above 135M because he will be very limited in giving out or signing contracts at free will.

So you need to understand that it doesn't matter to Cuban how much he pays Kyrie until he's below TAX, but Nico will absolutely have his hands tied when 2 guys lock up almost 70% of their normal CAP.

Agreed. But you gotta spend to play the game. Golden State has like 4 to 5 guys on a max. If you penny pinch then you dont give yourself a chance to play with the big boys. No team on a budget ever won big. Most of the team will be fully unloaded on 2024-2025 anyway. So if you dont re-sign Kyrie in 2023 and take your chances on someone good deciding to go to Dallas in 2025, it looks kinda bleak. Kyrie and Luka are fine IMO. Golden state has 4 of those guys, Denver has 2 or more guys maxed out, Kings have two guys, Memphis has two guys, Clippers have a lot of overpaid guys plus two max guys, so Dallas maxing out two guys should not be beyond the norm IMO. Even if they take 70% of the cap, I think they should be fine. You gotta pay to play IMO. Cant ball on a budget. If a small market team like New Orleans and OKC can ball and max out their guys, Cuban will look really cheap if those budget teams spend more on Zion than he does with Kyrie. New Orleans who is like a plebe in the league with no one even watching them live and is able to pay guys like Zion, CJ and Ingram, Cuban will look really dumb if he gives a budget contract offer to Kyrie.

Luka ans Kyrie are fine even if they're paid a max. What needs to change is Powell earning that much, Kleber being paid that much, THJ's salary, Bertans etc. Consolidate all those and turn them into two way players. I think that's the fix.

[41Dirk41]

The guy whose wallet will lose $200M on signing Kyrie says its okay. So why are we helping him save money? He's clearly ok with it?

You didn't read my last paragraphs. No owner ever cared if they give a star player 100M or 300M contract. But what they do care are CAP thresholds.
Owners only care if they go above 162M which is a final threshold (luxury cap) and then Cuban will have to pay extra $$$ to the league. And Nico (GM's) will care if they're above 135M because he will be very limited in giving out or signing contracts at free will.

So you need to understand that it doesn't matter to Cuban how much he pays Kyrie until he's below TAX, but Nico will absolutely have his hands tied when 2 guys lock up almost 70% of their normal CAP.

Agreed. But you gotta spend to play the game. Golden State has like 4 to 5 guys on a max. If you penny pinch then you dont give yourself a chance to play with the big boys. No team on a budget ever won big. Most of the team will be fully unloaded on 2024-2025 anyway. So if you dont re-sign Kyrie in 2023 and take your chances on someone good deciding to go to Dallas in 2025, it looks kinda bleak. Kyrie and Luka are fine IMO. Golden state has 4 of those guys, Denver has 2 or more guys maxed out, Kings have two guys, Memphis has two guys, Clippers have a lot of overpaid guys plus two max guys, so Dallas maxing out two guys should not be beyond the norm IMO. Even if they take 70% of the cap, I think they should be fine. You gotta pay to play IMO. Cant ball on a budget. If a small market team like New Orleans and OKC can ball and max out their guys, Cuban will look really cheap if those budget teams spend more on Zion than he does with Kyrie. New Orleans who is like a plebe in the league with no one even watching them live and is able to pay guys like Zion, CJ and Ingram, Cuban will look really dumb if he gives a budget contract offer to Kyrie.

Luka ans Kyrie are fine even if they're paid a max. What needs to change is Powell earning that much, Kleber being paid that much, THJ's salary, Bertans etc. Consolidate all those and turn them into two way players. I think that's the fix.

Absolutely true.

The best teams have 2/3 max contract (GSW and Phoenix 4).

Cuban had to sign some stars before Doncic extension, now it's much more difficult.

But he went cheap from 10+ years so no surprise.

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You didn't read my last paragraphs. No owner ever cared if they give a star player 100M or 300M contract. But what they do care are CAP thresholds.
Owners only care if they go above 162M which is a final threshold (luxury cap) and then Cuban will have to pay extra $$$ to the league. And Nico (GM's) will care if they're above 135M because he will be very limited in giving out or signing contracts at free will.

So you need to understand that it doesn't matter to Cuban how much he pays Kyrie until he's below TAX, but Nico will absolutely have his hands tied when 2 guys lock up almost 70% of their normal CAP.

Agreed. But you gotta spend to play the game. Golden State has like 4 to 5 guys on a max. If you penny pinch then you dont give yourself a chance to play with the big boys. No team on a budget ever won big. Most of the team will be fully unloaded on 2024-2025 anyway. So if you dont re-sign Kyrie in 2023 and take your chances on someone good deciding to go to Dallas in 2025, it looks kinda bleak. Kyrie and Luka are fine IMO. Golden state has 4 of those guys, Denver has 2 or more guys maxed out, Kings have two guys, Memphis has two guys, Clippers have a lot of overpaid guys plus two max guys, so Dallas maxing out two guys should not be beyond the norm IMO. Even if they take 70% of the cap, I think they should be fine. You gotta pay to play IMO. Cant ball on a budget. If a small market team like New Orleans and OKC can ball and max out their guys, Cuban will look really cheap if those budget teams spend more on Zion than he does with Kyrie. New Orleans who is like a plebe in the league with no one even watching them live and is able to pay guys like Zion, CJ and Ingram, Cuban will look really dumb if he gives a budget contract offer to Kyrie.

Luka ans Kyrie are fine even if they're paid a max. What needs to change is Powell earning that much, Kleber being paid that much, THJ's salary, Bertans etc. Consolidate all those and turn them into two way players. I think that's the fix.

Absolutely true.

The best teams have 2/3 max contract (GSW and Phoenix 4).

Cuban had to sign some stars before Doncic extension, now it's much more difficult.

But he went cheap from 10+ years so no surprise.

Guys i don't disagree with you but i think you're slightly missing the point here. It's not if we want Mavs to have max players or whatever... it's how you get there!


You can only get to that point via trades (If you match the salary) or via BIRD RIGHTS (if the team is operating above normal salary cap table). You can not sign 3 max player from free agency, it doesn't work like that and it is mathematically almost impossible.

So, what you are suggesting.... I'll just use a rough example.

Mavs resign Kyrie = 1 max player
Luka = 2 max players

Then you go around your roster and figure out that Hardy is a star and you give him 3rd max via his BIRD RIGHTS.

So, that's 3 max players and if Mavs are above TAX cap, then we say, screw the money, it's Cuban's we don't care, let him pay extra $$$.

That's how GSW, Lakers, etc.. (rich teams), don't care about luxury table because they're willing to spend MORE than allowed. And that's how you get to more than just one or two max players. But in order to get there, you need to have players ALREADY on the team with BIRD rights. You see where i'm getting at?

So that's why developing in house talent is super important. Mavs only have 2 right now, Hardy and Green and none of them will be max worth. The closest one was Brunson, but Mavs went cheap when Brunson was still underdeveloped and they didn't think he can become a near max guy.

Still there is a question what to do with the rest of the roster? GSW for example had really good role players, so they didn't have to worry about that, they just used their BIRD rights to resign them..

This is how you can create a dynasty. Mavs in theory could start with Luka and Kyrie, but then they'll have to take a good look around the roster to see which role players fit and which don't.

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Agreed. But you gotta spend to play the game. Golden State has like 4 to 5 guys on a max. If you penny pinch then you dont give yourself a chance to play with the big boys. No team on a budget ever won big. Most of the team will be fully unloaded on 2024-2025 anyway. So if you dont re-sign Kyrie in 2023 and take your chances on someone good deciding to go to Dallas in 2025, it looks kinda bleak. Kyrie and Luka are fine IMO. Golden state has 4 of those guys, Denver has 2 or more guys maxed out, Kings have two guys, Memphis has two guys, Clippers have a lot of overpaid guys plus two max guys, so Dallas maxing out two guys should not be beyond the norm IMO. Even if they take 70% of the cap, I think they should be fine. You gotta pay to play IMO. Cant ball on a budget. If a small market team like New Orleans and OKC can ball and max out their guys, Cuban will look really cheap if those budget teams spend more on Zion than he does with Kyrie. New Orleans who is like a plebe in the league with no one even watching them live and is able to pay guys like Zion, CJ and Ingram, Cuban will look really dumb if he gives a budget contract offer to Kyrie.

Luka ans Kyrie are fine even if they're paid a max. What needs to change is Powell earning that much, Kleber being paid that much, THJ's salary, Bertans etc. Consolidate all those and turn them into two way players. I think that's the fix.

Absolutely true.

The best teams have 2/3 max contract (GSW and Phoenix 4).

Cuban had to sign some stars before Doncic extension, now it's much more difficult.

But he went cheap from 10+ years so no surprise.

Guys i don't disagree with you but i think you're slightly missing the point here. It's not if we want Mavs to have max players or whatever... it's how you get there!


You can only get to that point via trades (If you match the salary) or via BIRD RIGHTS (if the team is operating above normal salary cap table). You can not sign 3 max player from free agency, it doesn't work like that and it is mathematically almost impossible.

So, what you are suggesting.... I'll just use a rough example.

Mavs resign Kyrie = 1 max player
Luka = 2 max players

Then you go around your roster and figure out that Hardy is a star and you give him 3rd max via his BIRD RIGHTS.

So, that's 3 max players and if Mavs are above TAX cap, then we say, screw the money, it's Cuban's we don't care, let him pay extra $$$.

That's how GSW, Lakers, etc.. (rich teams), don't care about luxury table because they're willing to spend MORE than allowed. And that's how you get to more than just one or two max players. But in order to get there, you need to have players ALREADY on the team with BIRD rights. You see where i'm getting at?

So that's why developing in house talent is super important. Mavs only have 2 right now, Hardy and Green and none of them will be max worth. The closest one was Brunson, but Mavs went cheap when Brunson was still underdeveloped and they didn't think he can become a near max guy.

Still there is a question what to do with the rest of the roster? GSW for example had really good role players, so they didn't have to worry about that, they just used their BIRD rights to resign them..

This is how you can create a dynasty. Mavs in theory could start with Luka and Kyrie, but then they'll have to take a good look around the roster to see which role players fit and which don't.

Developing talent was never a Mavs staff strength IMO. Over the years it has been that way. They always need finished product. Expecting Mavs to develop talent is like going to a chinese restaurant and looking for burger and fries. They dont have it in them. They always just go out, find players that fit the star or in this case, stars. And then from there it's a crapshoot if they win any in the playoffs. Mavs have had a lot of playoff exits against the Spurs and the Kings too in the 2000s. They've always operated that way under Cuban. Cuban just doesnt have the patience to develop or even wait for draft picks to flourish. He always seems to trade them. So being realistic here, its something we can expect from him in the coming seasons.

As for Kyrie, he's no lock to re-sign with D'angelo Russell stinking it up in LA now. So if the Lakers want Kyrie, they'll get Kyrie and Dallas wont even have to offer that max to him. That max will fly conveniently to Fred Van Vleet and we'll all have bigger problems due to that. Man, if you have Luka and Van Vleet taking up 70% of your cap, damn that is a whole other set of rants from me.

My point is, realistically, they'll probably build this like the 2011 team. Dirk was the longest tenured one, they got Terry from Atlanta. Marion, Tyson then eventually Kidd all came years after. It wasnt all built in a single offseason. And the same I think would be true with this Luka thing. They'll be opportunistic here and there, but i do not see a scenario where Cuban will get a star immediately. Even moreso if Mavs lose Kyrie to the Lakers. Doncic + Van Vleet is a first round exit IMO.