Summer 2023 Trade Thread

[BlazersBroncos]

Portland trades: Simons, Nurkic, Little, NYK Pick
Portland Receives: DeRozen, Turner, Portland Pick
Why: Talent and remove the issue with a pick owed to Chicago. I think this is a little light though.

Chicago Trades: DeRozen, Portland Pick
Chicago Receives: Nurkic, Isaac's, NYK Pick
Why: The Bulls need to shake it up a bit. With Nurkic, they don't need to resign Vucevic. They get a young talent in Isaacs, as well as a pick in this years draft.

Orlando Trades: Carter Jr, Isaacs
Orlando Receives: Simons
Why: They get a young talented offensive player, which they need. They have a good size PG to pair with him.

Indiana Trades: Turner
Indiana Receives: Carter Jr, Little
Why: They get a cheaper, yet talented center in Carter Jr and another young player in Little.

What more is needed? Does the #5 pick need to go to Chicago?

Lillard / Johnson
Sharpe / Thybulle
DeRozen /
Grant / Watford / Walker
Turner / Eubanks

I think Simons for DDR is fair - I dont see IND moving Turner for a downgrade at C and a meh guy in Little.

Think it would have to be Simons + NYK FRP for DDR + PDX FRP - then something like Nurkic + 2 FRP for Turner. I probably would do that - this is a really well balanced roster -

G - Damian Lillard / George Hill (FA) / Reece Beekman (43)
G - Matisse Thybulle / Shadeon Sharpe
F - Demar DeRozan / Nas Little / Kevin Knox
F - Jerami Grant / Jarace Walker (5) / Jabari Walker JR
C - Myles Turner / Drew Eubanks / Trendon Watford

I don't hate that at all. Maybe add Love as another backup big, as well.

Ya, the holdup would be the protections on those picks to IND - I think they would see Nurkic as a bad contract and would demand extra loose protection on the picks to compensate for taking him on. Maybe DAL takes him and sends Bertans to IND (His 23/24 salary is only 5M GTD).

But I think IND rightfully would demand one of the picks be unprotected. They are not in a spot where they have to move him.

[DaVoiceMaster]

I think Simons for DDR is fair - I dont see IND moving Turner for a downgrade at C and a meh guy in Little.

Think it would have to be Simons + NYK FRP for DDR + PDX FRP - then something like Nurkic + 2 FRP for Turner. I probably would do that - this is a really well balanced roster -

G - Damian Lillard / George Hill (FA) / Reece Beekman (43)
G - Matisse Thybulle / Shadeon Sharpe
F - Demar DeRozan / Nas Little / Kevin Knox
F - Jerami Grant / Jarace Walker (5) / Jabari Walker JR
C - Myles Turner / Drew Eubanks / Trendon Watford

I don't hate that at all. Maybe add Love as another backup big, as well.

Ya, the holdup would be the protections on those picks to IND - I think they would see Nurkic as a bad contract and would demand extra loose protection on the picks to compensate for taking him on. Maybe DAL takes him and sends Bertans to IND (His 23/24 salary is only 5M GTD).

But I think IND rightfully would demand one of the picks be unprotected. They are not in a spot where they have to move him.

Yeah, Indy didn't just re-sign him to trade him for cap space. There has to be more incentive and enough to entice them to move Turner.

[Jsun947]

Our best bet to end up with Turner is if Indy wins the lottery & we end up #2 or #3 with a chance at Scoot. They’d be a lot more apt to Trade Turner with Wemby as a replacement & add additional young talent to pair with Haliburton & Mathurin.

Something like

Indy Outgoing
Turner
Indy Incoming
Nurkic & #7

Magic Outgoing
#7, #12, Cole Anthony, Bol Bol
Magic Incoming
Scoot, Knox

Toronto Outgoing
OG
Toronto Incoming
Simons & #12

Portland Outgoing
Simons, Nurkic, Knox, Scoot
Portland Incoming
OG, Turner, Anthony, Bol Bol

Blazers
Dame/Anthony
Sharpe/Thybule/Johnson
OG/Little/Reddish
Grant/Bol Bol/Walker
Turner/Eubanks/Watford

Is this a championship caliber team? I think the depth is good enough, the defense is about as good as it can realistically get with Lillard on the roster, but it’s missing that #2 offensive option that can create off the dribble. Despite Sharpes last few games of the season he definitely isn’t there, and his first step is weak.

Maybe you’d be able to find away to swap OG with Bridges in this scenario, or even include Sharpe and end up with both Bridges & OG with Bridges playing SG?

[BlazersBroncos]

I like that roster but end of the day you need that #2. Whether it’s a clear cut guy like Pascal, Brown and Butler or a bubble #2 like Lauri and DDR. You need a robin.

OG and Turner are probably 2 of the 5 best upper tier role players in the league. But a robin they are not.

And Bol stinks.

[LillardTime]

I like that roster but end of the day you need that #2. Whether it’s a clear cut guy like Pascal, Brown and Butler or a bubble #2 like Lauri and DDR. You need a robin.

OG and Turner are probably 2 of the 5 best upper tier role players in the league. But a robin they are not.

And Bol stinks.

How quickly can Sharpe get to that level of a number 2 scorer on a strong team? I think using our pieces to get elite role players that fit with an offense focused on Dame and Shaedon is a more likely outcome than pairing Dame with another top 10-20 player in the league. Just gotta hope Sharpe continues to develop and blows up into a top 3 SG which he has the tools to become IMO.

[The Sebastian Express]

I also think the Magic need to give up more than 7 and 12 for Scoot.

[Goldbum]

How about this deal to start the summer rebuild.

Orl
Ant+Nas

POR
Suggs + Collins

ATL
Isaac + Okeke + Keon + 23 + 43 + lotto protect future Orlando 1st (Issac could be cut or bought out.

[Brandon-Clyde]

How about this deal to start the summer rebuild.

Orl
Ant+Nas

POR
Suggs + Collins

ATL
Isaac + Okeke + Keon + 23 + 43 + lotto protect future Orlando 1st (Issac could be cut or bought out.

No thanks. Suggs has not looked good in his first two seasons with some truly poor shooting and an assist to turnover ratio worse than Simons.
Wouldn't mind Collins if the price is right ( cheap) hoping he returns to peak level but his last couple seasons have been disappointing.
This trade has a lot of outgoing with Simons, Nas, Keon, the NY first and the 43rd pick in this draft. That is a way overpay for what Portland gets in return.

[ChettheJet]

speaking for the Bulls

If they are going to make some changes over the summer, I just got done explaining on that board that getting some certainty on your pick should be the first move of the summer. Either taking the #23 or as part of a big deal for the lottery pick, the Bulls could use a 2023 pick and you guys could use the option of trading future picks

they wouldn't try to fleece the Blazers out of their lottery pick, it's not realistic to give up #5 when it could be #16 by 2028 just to be able to trade other picks before then.

I think they would quickly agree to getting the Knicks pick if a pair of 2nds were attached because they're short on 2nds

If there was any interest in DeRozan, expiring and an all star sure the Bulls would take Simons if offered, they would have to follow up trading Lavine as neither can start at the 1 or 3 and the desperate need for a PG remains.

They could look at DeRozan and the obligation to the protected pick for Nurlic, the NYK pick but Issac is a firm no. It's not when he's going to get injured for $17m it's how early and for how long. The Bulls can't afford another high priced injured player because the have Lonzo Ball out another year at $20m. But they know if he returns he's a major missing piece. Find somebody healthier and more useful. Nurkic is a minor cost savings over Vucevic, slightly younger so working out a S&T for Vuc would be the answer just not enough of a difference maker without more in the trade

[Jsun947]

I also think the Magic need to give up more than 7 and 12 for Scoot.

I agree, more future picks would be required, whether they are future Orlando protected picks, or via Orl moving young players for picks from other teams.

Those picks could then be re-routed to teams like Indy, Toronto, and Brooklyn for guys like Bridges, OG, and Turner.

[PDXKnight]

I also think the Magic need to give up more than 7 and 12 for Scoot.

I agree, more future picks would be required, whether they are future Orlando protected picks, or via Orl moving young players for picks from other teams.

Those picks could then be re-routed to teams like Indy, Toronto, and Brooklyn for guys like Bridges, OG, and Turner.

what about some of their young assets on top of picks?

[Sinobas]

I it depends on what draft pick the Blazers get. At this stage in Dame's career, it would be tough to pass on someone you think will be a future star to appease him. It's not like we are a piece a way from competing. We had the 5th worst record in the league.

But if we get the #6 pick and we can package it for a good player...sure, go ahead.

[Norm2953]

Portland has a 58% chance at dropping 1-3 spots at 5 and they did drop 1 spot last year from 6-7 in 2022.

It's almost certain they won't be picking at 5 but one would think Portland would draft between 4-6, which
means they will be able to draft their choice of Walker/Hendricks if they keep their pick.

The thing is that pick between 4-6 in a 1 player draft is going to yield a good but hardly great player, which
makes you wonder how much Portland can expect if they trade the pick. I'd still like to keep the pick for
adding a guy to play a Jeremy Sochan role would certainly help Portland for somebody has to rebound and
play defense.

[DaVoiceMaster]

Trade #1
NYK pick and 1-2 second round picks to Chicago for the Blazers pick.

Trade #2
Simonsand Walker to Orlando for Carter Jr and #12.

Trade #3
Nurkic to Dallas for Bullock and filler if needed.

Trade #4
Bullock, #5, #12, one future picks to Utah for Markkanan.

Re-sign Thybulle, Winslow, and Knox
Sign George Hill and Kevin Love

I wouldn't mind sending Little to San Antonio for Collins to have an extra big man. I don't know why San Antonio would do it though.

I would sign a backup guard to round out the roster.

PG Lillard / Hill / Johnson
SG Thybulle / Sharpe / ??
SF Grant / Winslow / Knox
PF Markkanan / Love / Watford
_C Carter Jr / Collins / Eubanks

[dunlop212]

Rumor has it that Portland turned down Kobe for Oden. I think this was when Kobe had a pending rape case, though. Probably the last super high value number one pick to get moved was Chris Webber.

[Case2012]

Just came here to mention I called the Draymond thing.

[zzaj]

Just chiming in to say once again, that IMO it was a massive mistake to let Hart go. The fact that the Blazers let a multi-dimensional winner get away, and will likely sign a single-dimensional player (who hasn't really won games) for too much money in Grant? ...shows that management isn't capable of making winning basketball decisions. /rant.

[BlazersBroncos]

Just chiming in to say once again, that IMO it was a massive mistake to let Hart go. The fact that the Blazers let a multi-dimensional winner get away, and will likely sign a single-dimensional player (who hasn't really won games) for too much money in Grant? ...shows that management isn't capable of making winning basketball decisions. /rant.

Ya, I am with you on this. I dont think the return for Hart was bad. As you pointed out, the issue was prioritizing Grant over Hart. We likely could have gotten even more in return for Jerami and signed Hart for a good deal less than what Grant will cost.

I was hoping that we kept Hart and traded both Grant and Simons. Looks like we are going to be in for a future where Grant / Simons make over 50M combined, which has been my 'worst case' scenario for a while now.

[Village Idiot]

Here's one I haven't seen before. This assumes we get some lottery luck and jump ahead of the Rockets in the lottery up to #2 or #3 and Scoot Henderson is on the board.

Portland trades:

#2 or #3
Jusuf Nurkic

Portland receives:

Mikal Bridges
#20 from Houston (Clippers pick)

Brooklyn trades:

Mikal Bridges

Brooklyn receives:

Own 1sts 2024, 2026
Cancel pick swap option to Houston in 2025 and 2027
Nassir Little
Jusuf Nurkic

Houston trades:

Brooklyn 1sts 2024, 2026 returned
Cancel pick swap option with Brooklyn in 2025 and 2027
#20

Houston receives:

#2 or #3

Follow that up with:

Simons and #20 to Orlando for WCJ and the highest of their two firsts (assuming it is #7, 8 or 9) Draft Wallace or Hendricks with that pick

[cucad8]

Just chiming in to say once again, that IMO it was a massive mistake to let Hart go. The fact that the Blazers let a multi-dimensional winner get away, and will likely sign a single-dimensional player (who hasn't really won games) for too much money in Grant? ...shows that management isn't capable of making winning basketball decisions. /rant.

Hart was almost certainly going to walk in the summer. He's an east coast guy. So is his wife. He gave an interview that mentioned his wife not really liking being so far away from friends and family, by being in portland, because she doesn't like to fly. Unless we SEVERELY overpaid him, he was going to walk for nothing in the offseason. Yes, I'd love to have guys like him on the team. But we've watched plenty of guys walk for nothing. Why do that when he likely told Cronin he'd be leaving in the offseason? We landed Reddish, Thybulle and the #23 pick for a guy likely to walk. That's a great trade.