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Post#201 » by doclinkin » Sun Apr 16, 2023 2:21 am

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Not only that but there were actually were 6 NBA teams this year that were worse than we were. That alone should tell you how productive KP was.


I like seeing stats showing both Zinger and Gaff defended well at the rim. Strange though. You'd think we could've been better overall if we had 2 frontcourt stoppers plus ball pressure from Delon and Goodwin (and Deni before the referees bled him dry).

We need better 2-way play from our forwards and the 2-guard position.
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Post#202 » by payitforward » Sun Apr 16, 2023 2:51 am

Only 4 teams in the East allowed more points overall than we did. OTOH, 9 Western Conference teams did.
I guess there were other areas -- not "at the rim" -- where we were less effective in preventing the other team from scoring.
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Post#203 » by AFM » Sun Apr 16, 2023 2:56 am

That and the fact that Porzingus doesn't play 48 minutes a game and we can't play him and 4 clones at the same time. Basketball is a 10 person game.
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Post#204 » by DCZards » Sun Apr 16, 2023 4:33 am

PIF, why must all of your responses to stats suggesting that KP had an outstanding season come down to "well the Zards are a bad team?" We know that. But that doesn't change the fact that KP played very well this season.
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Post#205 » by gambitx777 » Sun Apr 16, 2023 12:14 pm

Of all the issues this team has a healthy KP is NOT one of them.

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Post#206 » by bsilver » Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:07 pm

I'm with PIF on this one. Since other teams are scoring a lot, and it's not at the rim, then there must be easy pickings elsewhere. If this stat was a true measure, then you'd see players like Embiid and Gobert high on the list.
A better measure of KP's rim defense would be opponents points per drive to the basket, including the foul shots.

I'm not down on KP. He had an excellent season and was our best player.
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Post#207 » by payitforward » Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:54 pm

DCZards wrote:PIF, why must all of your responses to stats suggesting that KP had an outstanding season come down to "well the Zards are a bad team?" We know that. But that doesn't change the fact that KP played very well this season.

This is a fair question, Zards.

In an important way you are obviously correct: after all, if KP had been a lock to stay healthy & play well, he wouldn't have been available for next to nothing in a trade!

On top of which, not only did KP answer that single most significant question about him -- can he stay healthy for a full season? -- he also had the best year of his career.*

Although KP had always been a high usage player, he had never scored with volume & efficiency akin to this season. & it was the leap in scoring efficiency that made '22-23 his best year yet.

Plus, it's worth noting that KP is still only 27. & he doesn't have the miles on him that you would normally expect -- e.g. Karl-Anthony Towns, picked the same year as KP & the same age as him, has played 17,500 NBA minutes; KP has only played 12,500.

All that is good.
But, obviously, "answered the durability question" & "had his best year" are not the same as "KP had an outstanding season." I.e. both of those were outstanding things for him to do, but they don't amount to the same thing as "had an outstanding season," where we mean (b/c basketball is a competitive sport) "outstanding in comparison with other Centers in the league."

Moreover, when we ask that kind of comparison question, e.g., "who had a better season, KP or Clint Capela?" we also aren't asking "did Clint Capela do the same things as KP?" & concluding -- since he didn't -- that KP had a more outstanding season than Capela. Or even that KP is outstanding while Capela is... say "a solid journeyman."

Rinse & repeat for e.g. Walker Kessler, Mitchell Robinson, Kevon Looney, Steven Adams, Nicolas Claxton, Jarrett Allen, Jacob Poeltl, Onyeka Okongwu, Jalen Duren....

To compare those guys -- either to KP or to one another -- we need a way to figure out how all their numbers have meaning in decide whether one of them was better than another or better than KP?

In fact, even just to say that KP just had his best year, -- we need ways to compare his numbers in different seasons. I compare him this year to him in other years & see that he at his best this year.

And when I compare his numbers this year to the numbers of every single guy on that list above, in exactly the same way I conclude that overall, compared to a bunch of other NBA Centers, KP wasn't outstanding in fact.

& that's where that business of "well, the Zards are a bad team" comes in. If your players have outstanding years compared to other players at their positions on other teams, you are a good team not a bad one. You win more games not fewer games.

In other words, if Clint Capela put up better numbers overall than KP, then we'd be a better team with Capela than with KP. & he did. & we would be.

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?player_id2=capelca01&p1yrfrom=2023&player_id1=porzikr01&p2yrfrom=2023&sum=0&request=1&utm_campaign=2023_01_wdgt_player_comparison&utm_source=bbr&utm_medium=sr_xsite&utm_id=porzikr01


* In fact, overall, he'd been just slightly better with us the previous year -- but that was a 17-game end of the year stretch. '22-23 was his best full season.
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Re: Porzinga! Kristaps Porzingis appreciation thread. 

Post#208 » by GoneShammGone » Sun Apr 16, 2023 7:48 pm

The position you consider KP to play makes a huge difference here.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2023_advanced.html#advanced_stats::ts_pct

When you hide the non-qualifiers in this table KP is 15th when ranked against centers, but 4th when ranked against PFs. So if you consider him a center, then yeah, his offensive efficiency is about average for a starting NBA center. But for about half the season, we started KP with Gafford. Who was the center? Offensively and defensively I would say it was Gaff. Did KP do a good job defending the PF position? If so, then why not consider him a PF? And if you do, his offensive efficiency looks a lot better than an average starting PF.

Of course, a lot of KPs minutes were at center with Gaff on the bench, so no, we can't just call him a PF and declare him an all-star. But it does point to the reason why the KP/Gaff lineups had a nicely positive net rating (+5.8 in 400 minutes). If you keep KP, then we should play him alongside Gaff or Huff more.

Having said that, and despite the fact that I like watching KP play, the right thing for the Wizards to do is sign and trade him for some assets. But we all know that isn't going to happen.
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