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Re: 1st Round : #3 Sixers - #6 Nets 

Post#101 » by 76ciology » Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:15 pm

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76ciology wrote:Nets just didnt have any options.

After watching G1 and post game, it just seems that Sixers knew Nets will double team heavy. That the Sixers even spent the entire week practicing making accurate passes to the shooters (doc rivers strike/ball baseball analogy postgame).

Jacque Vaughn, who’s great in these press con, also sounds satisfied in doubling Jojo. I thought when Sixers were knocking those 3s, he should have stopped sending double teams. But it sounds like he doesn’t mind them, and he said its not those 3s off double teams that killed his team but its the 3s off second chance points. Where if Nets were to take away those 3s off second chance points and take away those off the dribble 3s from Tobi and Harden, his team could have won.


If I'm Vaughn, I'm going down with that plan and just saying "if they can continue to hit 3's like that, so be it". He's picking his poison, and the likelihood of the Sixers getting cold from 3 is far higher than stopping the P&R, especially with his personnel. His point about 2nd chance 3's is a good one.


Embiid scores around 1.00ppp on his money spots around the FT line and left elbow (shoots at 50-54%). Sixers scores around 1.18-1.20ppp when team double teams of Embiid or Harden. Sixers is the best 3pt shooting team in % at 38.+%

Not only that doubling a lot leads being prone to getting outrebounded which Cam Johnson talked about here

Numbers aside, I feel players get demoralized giving up open 3s and getting outrebounded and can be easier to be in a “next play mode” and live with it if Embiid is just shooting contested jumpers.

Just my point of view. But I also see your point and JV’s POV
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Re: 1st Round : #3 Sixers - #6 Nets 

Post#102 » by 76ciology » Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:45 pm

G1: 55 spot up points on 1.62 points per shot
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Re: 1st Round : #3 Sixers - #6 Nets 

Post#103 » by sixerswillrule » Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:52 pm

Those aren't travels on Embiid.
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Post#104 » by Negrodamus » Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:52 pm

Sixerscan wrote:He’s a step of head of tobias offensively now I think. He’s not quite the creator DeRozan was at his peak but he’s much better from distance.

Putting a negative spin on where his game is at right now is some weird goal post moving.


I thought I was being pretty nice with my evaluation of him.
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Re: 1st Round : #3 Sixers - #6 Nets 

Post#105 » by Sixerscan » Sun Apr 16, 2023 6:27 pm

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Sixerscan wrote:He’s a step of head of tobias offensively now I think. He’s not quite the creator DeRozan was at his peak but he’s much better from distance.

Putting a negative spin on where his game is at right now is some weird goal post moving.


I thought I was being pretty nice with my evaluation of him.

Oh yeah I was more referring to whatever knobble was getting at
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Re: 1st Round : #3 Sixers - #6 Nets 

Post#106 » by Kobblehead » Sun Apr 16, 2023 7:25 pm

Bridges is getting WAYYY too much benefit of doubt. If any other player was taking 18 or more FGA ever game with a 13% assist percentage or lower and career low defensive metrics, he'd be getting killed for being a selfish gunner.

How can anyone think Bridges is remotely valuable playing like this? He's playing like the definition of a tank commander. He's giving career low defensive effort and nobody around him benefits from him taking a ton of field goal attempts and not passing.
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Post#107 » by Jailblazers7 » Sun Apr 16, 2023 7:32 pm

I agree that Bridges has bad tunnel vision & doesn’t have the playmaking chops to be a top dog. But the Nets stink, have no better options, and have had an intensely dysfunctional season. There’s really no harm in getting a chance to evaluate Bridges offensive limits to enable better roster building decisions down the road.
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Post#108 » by mjkvol » Sun Apr 16, 2023 8:16 pm

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Kobblehead wrote:Mikal Bridges got tired in the 2nd half. Because he's an overextended roleplayer masquerading as a scorer. He doesn't have the stamina to carry an offensive load an entire game.


Maybe so, but add an alpha scorer/creator to that group and he's much more in his wheelhouse as a second option benefiting from some gravity. I generally agree with your viewpoints, but I think you're a bit harsh and off-base on Bridges, a rock solid 2-way player in a league begging for them.

I don't see the two-way game, anymore, though. His defense numbers have gotten worse as his offensive load has gotten bigger and bigger. And that's the biggest tell that he's overextended in the role he's performing in now. Also, a leading scorer with a sub 15% assist percentage is atrocious. Which is what Bridges has been since getting traded to the Nets. 1 assist and 18 FGA in game 1 is difficult to explain to coaches and teammates. Just not seeing the Mikal Bridges crush that the majority of fans are. Him sacrificing his potentially elite defensive ability to sell out on offense where he shoots a bunch of shots and doesn't pass is not appealing to me.


Is it possible this is the role Vaughn wants him to play with this group? That team has no real go-to scorers, just a lot of shooters. My guess is that Bridges is doing exactly what he's being asked to do. The playmaking part of it is something he needs to work on if his role stays this way next year.
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Re: 1st Round : #3 Sixers - #6 Nets 

Post#109 » by mjkvol » Sun Apr 16, 2023 8:18 pm

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mjkvol wrote:
76ciology wrote:Nets just didnt have any options.

After watching G1 and post game, it just seems that Sixers knew Nets will double team heavy. That the Sixers even spent the entire week practicing making accurate passes to the shooters (doc rivers strike/ball baseball analogy postgame).

Jacque Vaughn, who’s great in these press con, also sounds satisfied in doubling Jojo. I thought when Sixers were knocking those 3s, he should have stopped sending double teams. But it sounds like he doesn’t mind them, and he said its not those 3s off double teams that killed his team but its the 3s off second chance points. Where if Nets were to take away those 3s off second chance points and take away those off the dribble 3s from Tobi and Harden, his team could have won.


If I'm Vaughn, I'm going down with that plan and just saying "if they can continue to hit 3's like that, so be it". He's picking his poison, and the likelihood of the Sixers getting cold from 3 is far higher than stopping the P&R, especially with his personnel. His point about 2nd chance 3's is a good one.


Embiid scores around 1.00ppp on his money spots around the FT line and left elbow (shoots at 50-54%). Sixers scores around 1.18-1.20ppp when team double teams of Embiid or Harden. Sixers is the best 3pt shooting team in % at 38.+%

Not only that doubling a lot leads being prone to getting outrebounded which Cam Johnson talked about here

Numbers aside, I feel players get demoralized giving up open 3s and getting outrebounded and can be easier to be in a “next play mode” and live with it if Embiid is just shooting contested jumpers.

Just my point of view. But I also see your point and JV’s POV


Bottom line is that it's pick your poison either way. This Nets group just can't contend with the offensive arsenal of the Sixers.
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Re: 1st Round : #3 Sixers - #6 Nets 

Post#110 » by Jamel_Embiiden » Sun Apr 16, 2023 8:26 pm

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Post#111 » by Embiid-MVP » Sun Apr 16, 2023 11:28 pm

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Post#112 » by eyeatoma » Mon Apr 17, 2023 1:11 am

Lmao ofcourse Doc throws Harden under the bus.

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Post#113 » by mjkvol » Mon Apr 17, 2023 1:19 am

eyeatoma wrote:Lmao ofcourse Doc throws Harden under the bus.

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I really can't stand him. Rivers getting another ring would be the one glaring negative in the Sixers winning it all.
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Post#114 » by Negrodamus » Mon Apr 17, 2023 2:35 am

Can someone please stop Harden from making personnel decisions? Don't we have like a decade's worth of data that the teams built around him in Houston were flawed and couldn't get him into the Finals? Why does Doc need to "convince" him that Harrell is essentially worthless in the league right now?
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Post#115 » by eyeatoma » Mon Apr 17, 2023 2:51 am

Hmmmm

“Oh, a lot,” Rivers said. “When we go with the non-Joel group … and let’s be honest, guys, that hasn’t been a great group all year. And we’ve been switching guys. Early in the year, James [Harden] wanted no one else on the floor but (Montrezl Harrell), because he felt he was the better offensive player. We’ve tried to convince him that we need defense too with that group.

“I think Paul in particular has kind of grown in James’ confidence. That’s important for James, to be able to trust that he can pass it to him and he’ll finish — and that Paul will make the right play. And that’s what James had a major concern with.

“I think adding Jalen with James, we have a defensive group on the floor with James that’s still scoring now. Before, we had a bunch of offensive guys on the floor and if we didn’t score, we got mauled on the other end. So I think that group has been really good with James.”


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Post#116 » by SixthStreet » Mon Apr 17, 2023 3:00 am

I believe that Harden preferred Harrell so Rivers isn't lying. But to make it sound like it's not his call is Doc being disingenuous. You are the coach, a highly paid coach, to make these decisions and you are empowered to do so. So it is your fault, Doc.
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Post#117 » by 76ciology » Mon Apr 17, 2023 3:00 am

Umm yeah.. same with DeAndre Jordan.
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Post#118 » by eyeatoma » Mon Apr 17, 2023 3:05 am

SixthStreet wrote:I believe that Harden preferred Harrell so Rivers isn't lying. But to make it sound like it's not his call is Doc being disingenuous. You are the coach, a highly paid coach, to make these decisions and you are empowered to do so. So it is your fault, Doc.



Well apparently he's a players coach, so is this what he lets happen?
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Post#119 » by M2J » Mon Apr 17, 2023 3:15 am

eyeatoma wrote:Lmao ofcourse Doc throws Harden under the bus.

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Should be common sense. Doc River said the same thing last year about DeAndre Jordan in the heat series. DeAndre Jordan came there because of Harden, just like Trez got there because of Harden. It was clear that Hardin hated even throwing passes to Reed early on.

Funny, stating the truth draws criticism when he was getting criticism for not making the change.
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Post#120 » by eyeatoma » Mon Apr 17, 2023 3:19 am

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eyeatoma wrote:Lmao ofcourse Doc throws Harden under the bus.

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Should be common sense. Doc River said the same thing last year about DeAndre Jordan in the heat series. DeAndre Jordan came there because of Harden, just like Trez got there because of Harden. It was clear that Hardin hated even throwing passes to Reed early on.

Funny, stating the truth draws criticism when he was getting criticism for not making the change.


Yeah I'm not sure Harden is without fault here, but still, Doc needs to know better, Jo needs to get on Harden. They should have never gotten Harrell/Jordan.

Hell we would have been able to keep one of Thybulle/Joe/Bassey.

Additionally, Doc has been known to lie. He said that Maxey called him so he could play off the bench, where that was far from the truth.

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