2023 Draft Discussion Part III

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Watching some of Cissoko, he's got a PF game. Decent handle for his size (can he go left in half court?), can bring the ball up the court, might be a decent 3 pt shooter, I don't see half court creation at all, he's going to get called for fouls playing defense like that, will need a big adjustment. I see him more as a 3&D guy but I didn't see any full games. You got to discount G league games, the defense and effort level is very inconsistent.

He's as much a jumbo creator as Scottie was at Florida State.

Start at 9:58 for playmaking. Look at all of that halfcourt penetration, that would make you forget about Dick (for shooting).

Seriously though, is there a sweeter more creative passer in this draft that Sidy?

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His handles are significantly better than Scottie’s. His touch around the rim if he isn’t dunking is significantly worse than Scottie’s though.

I don't see that as too much of a problem. He was a 6'5 PG over a year ago and now a 6'7 point forward and still developing his game to match his body. He turned 19 this month.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

He's as much a jumbo creator as Scottie was at Florida State.

Start at 9:58 for playmaking.

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We cannot keep piling these kinds of players onto our roster and expect success.

These kinds of players? He's a playmaker. Dump players like Boucher.

Boucher is actually one of the most efficient bench players in the league. Look at his advanced stats. He's just a punching bag and scapegoat for most fans.

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I didn't even realize Cissoko is grabbing 3.5 rebounds per 36, for a guy his size and strength that is unacceptable.

His oRB is meh, but not super awful. dRBs are often scheme related and very poor predictors of future rebounding ability.
He's a pg/sg with good size, decent stocks, outlier free throw rate, and the potential to be a good shooter.
I like him, only issue is it's hard to project G league stats as their isn't a lot to compare to.

Leonard Miller and Eric Mika got all of the rebounds. The FT rate for the GLeague is different than any other league.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Yeah Cissoko looks huge but plays weak. There's no way he won't be a beast with NBA training unless he's allergic to work. Whether he has that competitive gene that separates the good from the talented is something else to find out. Scottie is a competitor that even KG has to acknowledge.

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Yeah Cissoko looks huge but plays weak. There's no way he won't be a beast with NBA training unless he's allergic to work. Whether he has that competitive gene that separates the good from the talented is something else to find out. Scottie is a competitor that even KG has to acknowledge.

When Scoot went down Sidy stepped up. Cissoko is duking on guys and driving to the lane inviting contact for and 1's. I know he's getting used to his 6'7 frame but I don't think he plays weak.

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We cannot keep piling these kinds of players onto our roster and expect success.

These kinds of players? He's a playmaker. Dump players like Boucher.

Boucher is actually one of the most efficient bench players in the league. Look at his advanced stats. He's just a punching bag and scapegoat for most fans.

Dump is an overreaction. I don't want to see Boucher on the Raptors next year like I don't want to see FVV on the team.

He's making less than the MLE so if other teams see the same value as you do with 2 years left, then he should be able to be traded for a late 1st pick.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Cissoko reminds me of Draymond in a few regards from the passing, inconsistent shooting, overaggressive defense and dirty plays minus his particular brand of fire and personality. Just a really bad fit for Toronto. Could work on a team that has guys who can create for themselves off the bounce and shoot the lights out.

[Yallbecrazy]

I would jump for joy at drafting Draymond at #13.

I don't think Cissoko plays like Draymond though.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

I would jump for joy at drafting Draymond at #13.

I don't think Cissoko plays like Draymond though.

I'm not saying he's Draymond, stylistically however, there are a number of similarities.

[HumbleRen]

We cannot keep piling these kinds of players onto our roster and expect success.

These kinds of players? He's a playmaker. Dump players like Boucher.

Boucher is actually one of the most efficient bench players in the league. Look at his advanced stats. He's just a punching bag and scapegoat for most fans.

Boucher not a guy you go to war with in the playoffs.

He’s a regular szn player.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Also I'm tired of just thinking about BPA BPA BPA, we need to have a vision for the team and when team-building we need to make sure that the pieces fit together otherwise it's pointless. We need true guards who can cook, not more SF/PF players who think they're guards but who can't do what more agile and fundamentally skilled guards can.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

These kinds of players? He's a playmaker. Dump players like Boucher.

Boucher is actually one of the most efficient bench players in the league. Look at his advanced stats. He's just a punching bag and scapegoat for most fans.

Boucher not a guy you go to war with in the playoffs.

He’s a regular szn player.

He had one of the greatest playoff performances for a bench player in Raptors history last year, but ok.

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Cissoko reminds me of Draymond in a few regards from the passing, inconsistent shooting, overaggressive defense and dirty plays minus his particular brand of fire and personality. Just a really bad fit for Toronto. Could work on a team that has guys who can create for themselves off the bounce and shoot the lights out.

At just turning 19, he's already a better 3pt shooter from NBA range than Draymond. Most college players are shooting closer than even the Euro 3. To me he's mini Scottie, that can shoot 3's better and guard guards a bit better.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Also I'm tired of just thinking about BPA BPA BPA, we need to have a vision for the team and when team-building we need to make sure that the pieces fit together otherwise it's pointless. We need true guards who can cook, not more SF/PF players who think they're guards but who can't do what more agile and fundamentally skilled guards can.

Good players make it work, and then you flip talent for ideal fits/specialists. Just take a peak at draft history to find out how many 'true guards who can cook' come from each draft. You won't be excited by the results.

[DreamTeam09]

To me the most important part of any draft, is to actually draft an NBA player. Weather you can trade that player for another NBA player, or that draft pick becomes a certified NBAer, is the real measuring stick of a draft.

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Also I'm tired of just thinking about BPA BPA BPA, we need to have a vision for the team and when team-building we need to make sure that the pieces fit together otherwise it's pointless. We need true guards who can cook, not more SF/PF players who think they're guards but who can't do what more agile and fundamentally skilled guards can.

Good players make it work, and then you flip talent for ideal fits/specialists. Just take a peak at draft history to find out how many 'true guards who can cook' come from each draft. You won't be excited by the results.

They are just as prevalent as drafting for any other kind of player that your team needs. The point is we need to stop with the vision 6'9 BS.

Good players make it work is such an ambiguous statement. There are countless examples of teams with "good players" that went nowhere because those players stylistically did not fit well alongside one another and weren't able to mask each others weaknesses.

[ItsDanger]

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Caruso type player. I'd love him in 2nd round for your bench. These players make winning plays a routine. Something sorely lacking on this roster.

[Rapsfan07]

Watching some of Cissoko, he's got a PF game. Decent handle for his size (can he go left in half court?), can bring the ball up the court, might be a decent 3 pt shooter, I don't see half court creation at all, he's going to get called for fouls playing defense like that, will need a big adjustment. I see him more as a 3&D guy but I didn't see any full games. You got to discount G league games, the defense and effort level is very inconsistent.

He's as much a jumbo creator as Scottie was at Florida State.

Start at 9:58 for playmaking.

Watch on YouTube

We cannot keep piling these kinds of players onto our roster and expect success.

I was literally about to say the same thing.

I get the lure around Cissoko but we already have Barnes who is bigger, better and NBA proven. We don't need anymore of these long passer, non scorer guys. If the Bufkins and Jones and Wallaces and Coulibaly's are off the board then sure, I'd take the swing. But if not, then no.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

He's as much a jumbo creator as Scottie was at Florida State.

Start at 9:58 for playmaking.

Watch on YouTube

We cannot keep piling these kinds of players onto our roster and expect success.

Prove it!

The Raptors have already proven it. It's the reason you're watching the Atlanta Hawks tonight and the reason we had to trade our 2024 first round pick for Jakob Poeltl and the reason we are likely moving OG or Pascal.

[ItsDanger]

Good rebounders get the ball out of their zone. Bad rebounders either leave the play or don't move out of their zone. Should be able to tell after 1 full game.