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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#7801 » by arkuo » Tue Apr 18, 2023 4:18 pm

Archx wrote:
BliscoSantos wrote:If Kyrie resigns I hope he recruits some Players on a cheap contract(he seems to be liked by other Players)...Mavs definetly need to get Younger and more athletic...P.J. Washington, Kelly Oubre, Hachimura, Mcdaniels, Cameron Johnson, Jaxon Hayes, Naz Reid,Watanabe should be some of the Players they should have a Look at...than there are some young(talented) Players who could fill the two ways like Orlando Robinson, E.J. Lidell,Luka Garza,maybe some Players who aren't gonna be drafted this season...I'd also Look at Pipen Jr. and Harper Jr...there Will be Young Players available for the g-league Squad,Mavs Just need to make sure they're better at evaluating talent than they were right now


It would mean that Mavs would need to completely restructure entire team and basically clean up the house. Unfortunately that will be extremely hard to do, specially if Kyrie resigns. They will be stuck with (probably) a lot of existing players, even though Nico said some of them won't be here next season. That might be true but probably not to the extent we all would want.

But i still like the idea of going younger, more athletic pushing the tempo and finally have more flexibility around the rim.


Will depend on where they are positioned with the draft.

Plan A - Sign Kyrie
Plan B - Draft defensive PF
Plan C - Trade for starting C

In that order perhaps.
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#7802 » by arkuo » Tue Apr 18, 2023 4:26 pm

Would anyone here trade Luka for the #1 pick?

Essentially trading Doncic for Wembanyama.
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#7803 » by Mavrelous » Tue Apr 18, 2023 4:30 pm

arkuo wrote:Would anyone here trade Luka for the #1 pick?

Essentially trading Doncic for Wembanyama.


I wouldn't...
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#7804 » by That_Casual » Tue Apr 18, 2023 4:38 pm

What’s the feeling on Reggie Bullock and Javale McGee?

What sort of draft capital - if any - would Dallas want for them?
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#7805 » by Mavrelous » Tue Apr 18, 2023 4:43 pm

That_Casual wrote:What’s the feeling on Reggie Bullock and Javale McGee?

What sort of draft capital - if any - would Dallas want for them?


Combined? I don't think they bring back any draft capital, but useful expiring or salary relief.
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#7806 » by Archx » Tue Apr 18, 2023 4:48 pm

arkuo wrote:
Archx wrote:
BliscoSantos wrote:If Kyrie resigns I hope he recruits some Players on a cheap contract(he seems to be liked by other Players)...Mavs definetly need to get Younger and more athletic...P.J. Washington, Kelly Oubre, Hachimura, Mcdaniels, Cameron Johnson, Jaxon Hayes, Naz Reid,Watanabe should be some of the Players they should have a Look at...than there are some young(talented) Players who could fill the two ways like Orlando Robinson, E.J. Lidell,Luka Garza,maybe some Players who aren't gonna be drafted this season...I'd also Look at Pipen Jr. and Harper Jr...there Will be Young Players available for the g-league Squad,Mavs Just need to make sure they're better at evaluating talent than they were right now


It would mean that Mavs would need to completely restructure entire team and basically clean up the house. Unfortunately that will be extremely hard to do, specially if Kyrie resigns. They will be stuck with (probably) a lot of existing players, even though Nico said some of them won't be here next season. That might be true but probably not to the extent we all would want.

But i still like the idea of going younger, more athletic pushing the tempo and finally have more flexibility around the rim.


Will depend on where they are positioned with the draft.

Plan A - Sign Kyrie
Plan B - Draft defensive PF
Plan C - Trade for starting C

In that order perhaps.


I think this is actually their entire off season plan. I mean, i'm not expecting much. I see people proposing all sorts of trades. Basically re-tool the entire roster. But in reality, i'm expecting exactly what you said here. And to be honest, if they manage to achieve that, we could call it a success anyway.

It obviously also depends WHO they trade and with what kind of long term contracts they'll end up.

That_Casual wrote:What’s the feeling on Reggie Bullock and Javale McGee?

What sort of draft capital - if any - would Dallas want for them?


I personally see only value in Bullocks expiring, but that is not saying much. Those type of contracts are more valuable at the trade deadlines than at the start of the season. Unless we're talking about a very productive player. But then teams like to resign those type of players anyway. If they're not resigned then you know that their own team doesn't think too much about them either.
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#7807 » by That_Casual » Tue Apr 18, 2023 5:01 pm

Mavrelous wrote:
That_Casual wrote:What’s the feeling on Reggie Bullock and Javale McGee?

What sort of draft capital - if any - would Dallas want for them?


Combined? I don't think they bring back any draft capital, but useful expiring or salary relief.

I haven’t watched much Mavs. But know that both were rated as very solid NBA role players in the not to distant past. Have they both fallen off?
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#7808 » by Mavrelous » Tue Apr 18, 2023 5:27 pm

That_Casual wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:
That_Casual wrote:What’s the feeling on Reggie Bullock and Javale McGee?

What sort of draft capital - if any - would Dallas want for them?


Combined? I don't think they bring back any draft capital, but useful expiring or salary relief.

I haven’t watched much Mavs. But know that both were rated as very solid NBA role players in the not to distant past. Have they both fallen off?

Bullock is still the same, McGee wasn't solid before and hasn't changed since, a vet min 3rd string center signed at 6 mil a year for 2 years
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#7809 » by Mr B » Wed Apr 19, 2023 12:31 am

arkuo wrote:
Archx wrote:
BliscoSantos wrote:If Kyrie resigns I hope he recruits some Players on a cheap contract(he seems to be liked by other Players)...Mavs definetly need to get Younger and more athletic...P.J. Washington, Kelly Oubre, Hachimura, Mcdaniels, Cameron Johnson, Jaxon Hayes, Naz Reid,Watanabe should be some of the Players they should have a Look at...than there are some young(talented) Players who could fill the two ways like Orlando Robinson, E.J. Lidell,Luka Garza,maybe some Players who aren't gonna be drafted this season...I'd also Look at Pipen Jr. and Harper Jr...there Will be Young Players available for the g-league Squad,Mavs Just need to make sure they're better at evaluating talent than they were right now


It would mean that Mavs would need to completely restructure entire team and basically clean up the house. Unfortunately that will be extremely hard to do, specially if Kyrie resigns. They will be stuck with (probably) a lot of existing players, even though Nico said some of them won't be here next season. That might be true but probably not to the extent we all would want.

But i still like the idea of going younger, more athletic pushing the tempo and finally have more flexibility around the rim.


Will depend on where they are positioned with the draft.

Plan A - Sign Kyrie
Plan B - Draft defensive PF
Plan C - Trade for starting C

In that order perhaps.

If there are only 3 things we can do to improve this roster it would be resign Kyrie, draft Taylor Hendricks, and sign/trade for Jakob Poeltl.
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#7810 » by BeiBeau » Wed Apr 19, 2023 2:04 am

That_Casual wrote:What’s the feeling on Reggie Bullock and Javale McGee?

What sort of draft capital - if any - would Dallas want for them?


McGee has negative value. Bullock is worth 2-3 2nds.
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#7811 » by BeiBeau » Wed Apr 19, 2023 2:06 am

arkuo wrote:Dearon Fox, Malik Monk and Sabonis dont play defense but are now up 2-0 on the Warriors. They're doing something that the Mavs are not no matter how good Luka's stats look like. Other team gets the job done. Luka can get those 30 point triple doubles but Warriors almost swept them 4-1 and he was quiet as a lamb against Draymond. Try being like Sabonis and grab a leg and elbow someone in the paint next season instead of those stepback 35 footers then complain to the refs his arm got hit during the stepback allowing a 5 on 4 fastbreak on the other end. LOL

Every season Luka is on the mic and says I need to do better. Every season he hits 16 techs LMAO


Dallas was missing the interior presence to win the series. They need a big man.
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#7812 » by BeiBeau » Wed Apr 19, 2023 2:10 am

Mr B wrote:
arkuo wrote:
Archx wrote:
It would mean that Mavs would need to completely restructure entire team and basically clean up the house. Unfortunately that will be extremely hard to do, specially if Kyrie resigns. They will be stuck with (probably) a lot of existing players, even though Nico said some of them won't be here next season. That might be true but probably not to the extent we all would want.

But i still like the idea of going younger, more athletic pushing the tempo and finally have more flexibility around the rim.


Will depend on where they are positioned with the draft.

Plan A - Sign Kyrie
Plan B - Draft defensive PF
Plan C - Trade for starting C

In that order perhaps.

If there are only 3 things we can do to improve this roster it would be resign Kyrie, draft Taylor Hendricks, and sign/trade for Jakob Poeltl.


That is a safe and solid offseason.
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#7813 » by Mr B » Wed Apr 19, 2023 2:23 am

Saw this posted on Twitter. Image
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#7814 » by BeiBeau » Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:11 am

Mr B wrote:Saw this posted on Twitter. Image


I mean no guarantee we get Hendricks at 10 but it looks like a good chance and I like Hendricks a fair bit more then Scohan.
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#7815 » by Maverick41 » Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:41 am

I don't see Sochan as a possibility. He might make 1st team all rookie and its very rare guys like that get traded for anything less then a star after just year 1.

Instead, if I'm looking at Spurs options, I'm looking at Zach Collins and Keita Bates Diop. Both guys that fit well with this team, versatile and actually gettable.

Or Devin Vassell who may be looking at a big extension soon. I like him a lot but I'm sure the Spurs and Pop do too.
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#7816 » by Teffer10 » Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:30 am

BeiBeau wrote:
Mr B wrote:
arkuo wrote:
Will depend on where they are positioned with the draft.

Plan A - Sign Kyrie
Plan B - Draft defensive PF
Plan C - Trade for starting C

In that order perhaps.

If there are only 3 things we can do to improve this roster it would be resign Kyrie, draft Taylor Hendricks, and sign/trade for Jakob Poeltl.


That is a safe and solid offseason.
I'd be more than happy with that depending on who we'd have to give back in the Poeltl deal. Hendricks would be the ideal replacement for Wood.
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#7817 » by Teffer10 » Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:41 am

BeiBeau wrote:
Mr B wrote:Saw this posted on Twitter. Image


I mean no guarantee we get Hendricks at 10 but it looks like a good chance and I like Hendricks a fair bit more then Scohan.

I doubt if Hendricks will be there at 10, but if he is, we absolutely have to take him. He fills several needs and would be a good PF/Small ball center.

Personally, if we are able to draft him at 10, I'd be fine with S&T Kyrie for young players and/or draft picks and rebuild this thing around Luka/Hardy/Green/Hendricks plus whatever we can yield out of a Kyrie S&T deal. I like the potentials of Wright and Lawson too.
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#7818 » by Mavrelous » Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:54 am

Maverick41 wrote:I don't see Sochan as a possibility. He might make 1st team all rookie and its very rare guys like that get traded for anything less then a star after just year 1.

Instead, if I'm looking at Spurs options, I'm looking at Zach Collins and Keita Bates Diop. Both guys that fit well with this team, versatile and actually gettable.

Or Devin Vassell who may be looking at a big extension soon. I like him a lot but I'm sure the Spurs and Pop do too.


I'd add also that rookies on bad teams are hard gauge, since the team is losing and hard to estimate the players' impact on winning.
I'm not sure where Hendricks and Walker are going in the draft, but if they are available at #10, I'd go for them.
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#7819 » by 41Dirk41 » Wed Apr 19, 2023 12:33 pm

Torrey Craig averaged 19,5ppg and 58% from 3 in first 2games... A DFS without Mavs fans hype :lol:
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Re: Trade Discussion 22/23 

Post#7820 » by Jg41 » Wed Apr 19, 2023 2:44 pm

If the Mavs land the 1st overall pick, who says no?

DAL ===> V. Wembanyama / J. Green / T. Hardaway Jr. / D. Bertans / J. McGee / ~6.3MM Cash
BKN ===> M. Bridges / D. Finney-Smith / N. Claxton / DAL '29 1st / DAL '27 2nd / DAL '29 2nd

The Nets get the best prospect to come along in 20 years to help them purge the fans' pain from the failed KD/Kyrie/Harden era. With Giannis and Embiid ruling the East for at least the next 3-5 years, this trade sets their timeline back to take advantage of that impending power vacuum. Claxton and Bridges are 23 and 26 respectively. The Nets move forward with a Wemby, Cam Thomas, Josh Green, 21st pick & 22nd pick 22-and-under core while retaining the full compliment of picks they received from Philly and Phoenix in the Harden and KD trades. Once they give those guys two years of seasoning, they could have close to 100MM in cap room during the summer of 2025 to work with if they so choose.

For the Mavericks, 1) they rebuild the entire front court with excellent immediate and longterm solutions; 2) they replenish their tradable draft capital; and 3) they shed the three most onerous contracts on their books. Bridges is everything right now that you hope Josh Green can be and is locked up on an excellent contract. He's an ironman from a health standpoint and an elite point-of-attack defender who has shown the ability to be more than capable of handling those duties while being a number 3 option on the offensive end. Claxton meanwhile, has a great relationship with Kyrie both on and off the court and is the same age as Luka. He's among the best young rim-protecting defensive anchors in the league at the moment. Bringing back Dodo to be your 3rd most important defender is a role he's much more suited to play, but if Dallas really wants to go all-in, (keeping in mind FRPs in '26, '28, and '30 would all now be available to trade in addition to swaps rights in '25, '27, and '29) they could coldly call Toronto two months later once Dorian's trade restriction expires and see if they'd bite on the following package:

DAL ===> D. Finney-Smith / R. Bullock / '26 Unprotected 1st / '28 Unprotected 1st / '30 1st (Top 4 Protected)
TOR ===> O. Anunoby / O. Porter Jr. / C. Koloko

PG: L. Doncic / G. Dragic
SG: K. Irving / J. Hardy / T. Pinson
SF: M. Bridges / J. Holiday / A. Lawson
PF: O. Anunoby / M. Kleber / O. Porter Jr.
C: N. Claxton / D. Powell / C. Koloko

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