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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#1561 » by Kevin Willis » Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:17 pm

Dalek wrote:
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Dalek wrote:I thought I posted this earlier today, but I think I forgot to submit. These are pretty decent videos of Coulibaly showing his offense and the second one highlights the defense:

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I think his size, wiry frame and shooting ability remind me most of Mikal Bridges. He will be a guy who moves up because he has a good base to work from, is young and malleable.

Whether Toronto wants him is another story. He is a a very good prospect, but likely a couple years away from producing, and at pick 13 there might be a bit more pressure for immediate returns. To me, he could be better served as a draft and stash guy to get better reps where he is.

Looking at Coulibaly's stats he's had more TO's than assists. He doesn't look like a good shooter if we're going by the stats. The FT% is reassuring but I think Cissoko's ability to get to the line and the month by month improvement in that area shows he's gaining confidence in his physicality. Cissoko has double the FTr of Banton and better playmaking stats than him in the GLeague this season. Cissoko is 18 while Banton is 23 years old.

The reason I have faith in Cissoko is because he is easy to compare to NBA talent. I've seen him go against Champagnie and the 905 with borderline NBA players and out perform them. That's gives enough reasonable belief he can be a productive rotation player right away.

Cissoko's immediate skills are going to be his ability to get to the line, play POA defense, run an offense as the ball handler in a pick and roll, keep turnovers low, and play as a secondary ball handler. He's going to be a streaky shooter but I can see him improving on that. I guess his FT% is >65 next season but <75


I just don't think the G-League is a good place for him to develop. He has a good situation in Europe where he can gain confidence.

You have to remember that his highlights and stats are mainly against lower league and younger players and that's probably where he needs to be in year one to gain confidence, not watch journeyman G-Leaguers take turns running the offense over him.


I have to disagree with that. He can't go back to playing with the lower league, he's gone past that now. He should play with the varsity club which he's doing now, even with limited minutes. However he is play with VW right now, next year he might be playing with scrubs. I agree with everything else that his stats were against lower competition but he'll be alright in our G-League. Have him around Boucher and the french media. Even though he's still raw, by the end of the year he will be part of the rotation and pass guys like Banton.

Also shhhh, we talk about him too much. Let people forget, although I doubt scouts will because he's on the same team as VW.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#1562 » by Kevin Willis » Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:31 pm

Don't know where to put this but my boy Procida is probably coming the league next year. Rising star finalist.

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They make a good point that if they get VW along with Wiseman and Duren that's too many bigs. Something would have to give. Also Diallo as an inexpensive pick-up.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#1563 » by Rodrickle » Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:31 pm

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Nothing really new on Rupert.

45 min
Rayan Rupert
-offense is bad
-defense is special (can guard up or down)
-rare prospect -size/measurements
-top 25 worst case scenario
-great motor
-decent in transition offense
-strong going left attacking the rim
-if available at 25, teams should try to trade up for him
-can facilitate the PnR
-shooting form is good
-raw like Ousmane Dieng
-he doesn't have a skill that he excels at.
-If the shot doesn't develop he will be another Matisse Thybulle
-values where he plays. Likes the NBL.
-if Rupert played in different league his evaluation would be different.


The host of podcast has done thorough job of evaluating Coulibaly. The Biggest take away is Coulibaly natural feel for the game.

1:17:41min
Bilal Coulibaly
-The host of show has him 12th on his big board
-sales pitch for top 20 or late lottery range
-moves his feet as well as any other prospect he has evaluated in 12 years.
-the best euro step from a pure wing
-can handle the ball
-can get downhill
-can create for himself
-finishes around, over, and thru contact
-absorbes contact well on defense
-strong stature
-great foot speed
-jump shot needs to speed up.
-shown improvement as spot shooter and pull-up shooter.
-we need to understand that he played at junior level at some parts of the season.
-he dominated at that level, filled up the box score.
-transitioned well to the senior team
-should be taken more seriously as a 2023 draft pick.
-he doesn't play like an 18yr old.
-never looks out of place or lost
-Mets92 is a good team. A mixture fringe nba players, french vets and young prospects vying for the NBA.
-he fits on both sides of the ball
-nice mid-range pullup going right.
- believes he is top 6 in 2024 draft class.


I can see why Coulibaly is a better prospect than Rupert. Still raw but the offensive foundation and upside is there along with the length.
I can see OKC taking him at 11.

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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#1564 » by Smalltown » Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:33 pm

Kevin Willis wrote:Also shhhh, we talk about him too much. Let people forget, although I doubt scouts will because he's on the same team as VW.


Ya. Every scout has see him play every game this year and a ton in person. He's no secret.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#1565 » by Psubs » Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:46 pm

Rodrickle wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:
dozo wrote:
Read on Twitter


Nothing really new on Rupert.

45 min
Rayan Rupert
-offense is bad
-defense is special (can guard up or down)
-rare prospect -size/measurements
-top 25 worst case scenario
-great motor
-decent in transition offense
-strong going left attacking the rim
-if available at 25, teams should try to trade up for him
-can facilitate the PnR
-shooting form is good
-raw like Ousmane Dieng
-he doesn't have a skill that he excels at.
-If the shot doesn't develop he will be another Matisse Thybulle
-values where he plays. Likes the NBL.
-if Rupert played in different league his evaluation would be different.


The host of podcast has done thorough job of evaluating Coulibaly. The Biggest take away is Coulibaly natural feel for the game.

1:17:41min
Bilal Coulibaly
-The host of show has him 12th on his big board
-sales pitch for top 20 or late lottery range
-moves his feet as well as any other prospect he has evaluated in 12 years.
-the best euro step from a pure wing
-can handle the ball
-can get downhill
-can create for himself
-finishes around, over, and thru contact
-absorbes contact well on defense
-strong stature
-great foot speed
-jump shot needs to speed up.
-shown improvement as spot shooter and pull-up shooter.
-we need to understand that he played at junior level at some parts of the season.
-he dominated at that level, filled up the box score.
-transitioned well to the senior team
-should be taken more seriously as a 2023 draft pick.
-he doesn't play like an 18yr old.
-never looks out of place or lost
-Mets92 is a good team. A mixture fringe nba players, french vets and young prospects vying for the NBA.
-he fits on both sides of the ball
-nice mid-range pullup going right.
- believes he is top 6 in 2024 draft class.


I can see why Coulibaly is a better prospect than Rupert. Still raw but the offensive foundation and upside is there along with the length.
I can see OKC taking him at 11.

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OKC taking Rupert? He can be Andre Roberson 2.0

I guess based on potential, I'd gamble with Coulibaly over Rupert. I feel like Cissoko's passing, puts him head of both.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#1566 » by Raptorfan2012 » Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:54 pm

So whats the knock on Brice Sensabaugh? Shoots .480 FG, .405 3pt, .830 FT. 8.6 BPM. Only 19 years old and was a walking bucket (someone we need). Could boost our bench scoring.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#1567 » by dozo » Wed Apr 19, 2023 2:05 pm

Rodrickle wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:
dozo wrote:
Read on Twitter


Nothing really new on Rupert.

45 min
Rayan Rupert
-offense is bad
-defense is special (can guard up or down)
-rare prospect -size/measurements
-top 25 worst case scenario
-great motor
-decent in transition offense
-strong going left attacking the rim
-if available at 25, teams should try to trade up for him
-can facilitate the PnR
-shooting form is good
-raw like Ousmane Dieng
-he doesn't have a skill that he excels at.
-If the shot doesn't develop he will be another Matisse Thybulle
-values where he plays. Likes the NBL.
-if Rupert played in different league his evaluation would be different.


The host of podcast has done thorough job of evaluating Coulibaly. The Biggest take away is Coulibaly natural feel for the game.

1:17:41min
Bilal Coulibaly
-The host of show has him 12th on his big board
-sales pitch for top 20 or late lottery range
-moves his feet as well as any other prospect he has evaluated in 12 years.
-the best euro step from a pure wing
-can handle the ball
-can get downhill
-can create for himself
-finishes around, over, and thru contact
-absorbes contact well on defense
-strong stature
-great foot speed
-jump shot needs to speed up.
-shown improvement as spot shooter and pull-up shooter.
-we need to understand that he played at junior level at some parts of the season.
-he dominated at that level, filled up the box score.
-transitioned well to the senior team
-should be taken more seriously as a 2023 draft pick.
-he doesn't play like an 18yr old.
-never looks out of place or lost
-Mets92 is a good team. A mixture fringe nba players, french vets and young prospects vying for the NBA.
-he fits on both sides of the ball
-nice mid-range pullup going right.
- believes he is top 6 in 2024 draft class.


I can see why Coulibaly is a better prospect than Rupert. Still raw but the offensive foundation and upside is there along with the length.
I can see OKC taking him at 11.

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Flashbacks of 2012 (missing out on Dame).

Rupert role will be similar to OG's. 3D who can guard 4 positions. A valuable asset in todays NBA.


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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#1568 » by Psubs » Wed Apr 19, 2023 2:06 pm

Raptorfan2012 wrote:So whats the knock on Brice Sensabaugh? Shoots .480 FG, .405 3pt, .830 FT. 8.6 BPM. Only 19 years old and was a walking bucket (someone we need). Could boost our bench scoring.


Maybe he's a tweener version of Kenny Lofton? Or the forward version of Cam Thomas? On defense might not be able to guard anyone. He did get injured late in the season and seems like it was weight related.

Raptors need guard scoring, play-making and defense.
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Post#1569 » by ATLTimekeeper » Wed Apr 19, 2023 2:08 pm

New Zealand's owner says Rupert is the hardest working player they've ever had. They had Ousumane Dieng last year. Roberson's jumper was dead broken. He was a PF that had the mobility to switch to the wing. Rupert is going to be a guard in the NBA. Nice FT stroke. I would bet on him improving as a shooter over time or at least die trying. I like the Thabo comp, although Thabo was a better player heading into the NBA.

You do have to bet on character and work ethic, because those are enduring traits and we know the hours do contribute to shot efficiency. Sounds like Cissoko is all about the work, too, which bodes well for him. It seems like more and more going outside the NCAA is a better option this year based on where we're picking.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#1570 » by Thaddy » Wed Apr 19, 2023 2:33 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:New Zealand's owner says Rupert is the hardest working player they've ever had. They had Ousumane Dieng last year. Roberson's jumper was dead broken. He was a PF that had the mobility to switch to the wing. Rupert is going to be a guard in the NBA. Nice FT stroke. I would bet on him improving as a shooter over time or at least die trying. I like the Thabo comp, although Thabo was a better player heading into the NBA.

You do have to bet on character and work ethic, because those are enduring traits and we know the hours do contribute to shot efficiency. Sounds like Cissoko is all about the work, too, which bodes well for him. It seems like more and more going outside the NCAA is a better option this year based on where we're picking.

His shooting numbers are really bad and haven't improved in about 3 years. The form looks good but can't find the net consistently. At the very least Cissoko showed he can go hot/cold and played against NBA guys. The athleticism difference between the two also points to Cissoko having a higher potential.
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Post#1571 » by Psubs » Wed Apr 19, 2023 2:35 pm

Thaddy wrote:
ATLTimekeeper wrote:New Zealand's owner says Rupert is the hardest working player they've ever had. They had Ousumane Dieng last year. Roberson's jumper was dead broken. He was a PF that had the mobility to switch to the wing. Rupert is going to be a guard in the NBA. Nice FT stroke. I would bet on him improving as a shooter over time or at least die trying. I like the Thabo comp, although Thabo was a better player heading into the NBA.

You do have to bet on character and work ethic, because those are enduring traits and we know the hours do contribute to shot efficiency. Sounds like Cissoko is all about the work, too, which bodes well for him. It seems like more and more going outside the NCAA is a better option this year based on where we're picking.

His shooting numbers are really bad and haven't improved in about 3 years. The form looks good but can't find the net consistently. At the very least Cissoko showed he can go hot/cold and played against NBA guys. The athleticism difference between the two also points to Cissoko having a higher potential.




Outside of Wemby, who's shown they can do more than that?!?! That's an 18 year old, that moved like Lebron.

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Post#1572 » by Yallbecrazy » Wed Apr 19, 2023 2:38 pm

Raptorfan2012 wrote:So whats the knock on Brice Sensabaugh? Shoots .480 FG, .405 3pt, .830 FT. 8.6 BPM. Only 19 years old and was a walking bucket (someone we need). Could boost our bench scoring.


Can't pass, can't rebound, can't defend.
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Post#1573 » by AkelaLoneWolf » Wed Apr 19, 2023 2:49 pm

Raptorfan2012 wrote:So whats the knock on Brice Sensabaugh? Shoots .480 FG, .405 3pt, .830 FT. 8.6 BPM. Only 19 years old and was a walking bucket (someone we need). Could boost our bench scoring.

Howe does wieskamp compare to this guy
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Post#1574 » by ATLTimekeeper » Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:18 pm

Thaddy wrote:
ATLTimekeeper wrote:New Zealand's owner says Rupert is the hardest working player they've ever had. They had Ousumane Dieng last year. Roberson's jumper was dead broken. He was a PF that had the mobility to switch to the wing. Rupert is going to be a guard in the NBA. Nice FT stroke. I would bet on him improving as a shooter over time or at least die trying. I like the Thabo comp, although Thabo was a better player heading into the NBA.

You do have to bet on character and work ethic, because those are enduring traits and we know the hours do contribute to shot efficiency. Sounds like Cissoko is all about the work, too, which bodes well for him. It seems like more and more going outside the NCAA is a better option this year based on where we're picking.

His shooting numbers are really bad and haven't improved in about 3 years. The form looks good but can't find the net consistently. At the very least Cissoko showed he can go hot/cold and played against NBA guys. The athleticism difference between the two also points to Cissoko having a higher potential.


Cissoko is playing against NBA tryouts in a non-competitive environment on a losing team. So the players are more athletic and bigger than what he was facing in Spain, but there's no stakes. If Rupert makes the same mistake twice in Australia, he's getting benched. Not the same for Cissoko, so that has to be factored in. I don't see much of a difference in athleticism, personally.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#1575 » by Dalek » Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:44 pm

Yallbecrazy wrote:
Raptorfan2012 wrote:So whats the knock on Brice Sensabaugh? Shoots .480 FG, .405 3pt, .830 FT. 8.6 BPM. Only 19 years old and was a walking bucket (someone we need). Could boost our bench scoring.


Can't pass, can't rebound, can't defend.


I think we can get past the passing, rebounding numbers (19 dreb% is actually good) when the player shoots those percentages on volume and under tough contests. I don't think at his size and agility that he can't defend - it is just his role in college to pour in more effort on offense. Brice can and should easily be a lottery pick in this draft.

I mean, ESPN and other have Hawkins in the lottery and he is basically a one trick pony. Grady Dick has an even worse ast% and for some reason is higher on mocks.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#1576 » by ItsDanger » Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:49 pm

Raptorfan2012 wrote:So whats the knock on Brice Sensabaugh? Shoots .480 FG, .405 3pt, .830 FT. 8.6 BPM. Only 19 years old and was a walking bucket (someone we need). Could boost our bench scoring.

Can definitely score, excellent shooter, uses size well. Average quickness. On defense, I think he has a slow 1st step and off ball loses focus. I'd be concerned about potential knee issues, built like a football player.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#1577 » by Rodrickle » Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:54 pm

Psubs wrote:
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WuTang_OG wrote:
I can see why Coulibaly is a better prospect than Rupert. Still raw but the offensive foundation and upside is there along with the length.
I can see OKC taking him at 11.

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OKC taking Rupert? He can be Andre Roberson 2.0

I guess based on potential, I'd gamble with Coulibaly over Rupert. I feel like Cissoko's passing, puts him head of both.



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Post#1578 » by Yallbecrazy » Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:06 pm

Dalek wrote:
Yallbecrazy wrote:
Raptorfan2012 wrote:So whats the knock on Brice Sensabaugh? Shoots .480 FG, .405 3pt, .830 FT. 8.6 BPM. Only 19 years old and was a walking bucket (someone we need). Could boost our bench scoring.


Can't pass, can't rebound, can't defend.


I think we can get past the passing, rebounding numbers (19 dreb% is actually good) when the player shoots those percentages on volume and under tough contests. I don't think at his size and agility that he can't defend - it is just his role in college to pour in more effort on offense. Brice can and should easily be a lottery pick in this draft.

I mean, ESPN and other have Hawkins in the lottery and he is basically a one trick pony. Grady Dick has an even worse ast% and for some reason is higher on mocks.


I'm absolutely taking him ahead of Hawkins...but 1.2 assists v 2.0 turnovers doesn't inspire confidence.

I looked again and was mistaken as his rebounding is okay, not terrible.

The defense is really bad still...I like him more than Keyonte.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#1579 » by Dalek » Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:20 pm

Yallbecrazy wrote:
Dalek wrote:
Yallbecrazy wrote:
Can't pass, can't rebound, can't defend.


I think we can get past the passing, rebounding numbers (19 dreb% is actually good) when the player shoots those percentages on volume and under tough contests. I don't think at his size and agility that he can't defend - it is just his role in college to pour in more effort on offense. Brice can and should easily be a lottery pick in this draft.

I mean, ESPN and other have Hawkins in the lottery and he is basically a one trick pony. Grady Dick has an even worse ast% and for some reason is higher on mocks.


I'm absolutely taking him ahead of Hawkins...but 1.2 assists v 2.0 turnovers doesn't inspire confidence.

I looked again and was mistaken as his rebounding is okay, not terrible.

The defense is really bad still...I like him more than Keyonte.


The defense would be a problem for Toronto. He has pretty heavy feet, but if during the draft process he shed 10 lbs maybe he improves his lateral quickness. His combine results will be key.

The passing numbers look bad, but on film he has some really nice moments making reads.
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Post#1580 » by mademan » Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:57 pm

Rupert is 6'6 with a 7'3 wingspan

What are we debating here guys? You think Masai will ever pass up this type of prospect? lmfao

(I actually do like him a lot)

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