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Re: Rui Hachimura 2.0 

Post#901 » by prime1time » Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:08 am

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gesa2 wrote:Rui always seemed like a good guy and I’ll root for him wherever he goes. People getting upset about his treatment here have to be referring to *here* , on this chat board. He got all the court time he could handle his first 2 years, had the ball in his hands a ton. And when he struggled and needed time last year no one publicly did anything but support him and welcome him when he came back. With all that, as PIF would say, his numbers don’t lie. He was an ok isolation scorer by year 3 that offered little else. Once we believed we were going to keep Kuzma we weren’t going to be able to afford him.
I don’t really like Kuz or Rui as our power forward for the next 4 years. If we had to stay in house I’d use Deni and play Kispert at the 3. But we certainly weren’t going to keep both of them.

This is revisionist history. Hachimura's role on this team changed every year he was here because as an organization, we have no direction. As evinced by other people's comments, he was never given clear directions as to what his role or place on this team would be. From Dinwiddie's comments to Russ' comments about no one having a role, to him being out last year and not being able to compete for the starting spot he DID not get a fair shake here. Of course on this board, the comments were devoid of reality. But the Wizards are a perfect example of a moribund franchise. Organizational failure happens repeatedly. And it's why we don't resign any first-round draft picks. It's actually laughable that you wrote your comments.

Let me let you in on a little secret. Rui, Kuzma, Deni or Kispert it doesn't matter. The Wizards aren't going anywhere with any of them. I'm happy that Rui left and is no given a clear role that he can work towards.

I'd also point out the discrepancy between what the Wizards said and what the Wizards did. You say the Wizards supported Hachimura, when what they really did was prove the absolute dysfunction of the organization. For 2 years all we heard from Wizards management was that Hachimura needed to improve his 3-point shooting. They said it on the draft night. They said it during the summer league. They said it at during the bubble. They said it during the next season. Well in the 2021-2022 season, Hachimura showed significant improvement and he never even had a chance to fully show what he was capable of. He shot 44.6% from 3 yet his minutes dropped from 31.5 to 22.5.

He was an ok isolation scorer by year 3 that offered little else.

I guess 44.6% from 3 is nothing else. Also, funny how when Rui leaves the Wizards suddenly he knows how to play defense.
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In Rui's rookie year, the team was absolutely dysfunctional. Beal got injured and everyone on the organization just played for a contract. Here and there Rui had some good games, but he was playing a role that no competitive team would have put him in. For his actual development it was useless. In year 2, Rui played with Russ. So, Rui went from having the ball in his hands to playing around Russ' ball-dominant style. With Russ and Beal soaking up so many possessions, Rui literally had to change his entire style of play. IF you remember that season, the entire team was in dissarray until Westbrook demanded that every played define a role. It was out of this dysfunction, that Rui actually started to figure things out at the end of the season. He played some of his best games at the end of the season and in the 5 games against the 76ers.

Of course because we are the Wizards, we have to completely reshape the team in the offseason. So out goes Russ and in comes Kuz, KCP, Harell and Dinwiddie. Completely new team. Let's remember what the narrative was going into the season...
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Of course, Rui had his mental health problems and then he was quickly displaced by this organization. Other than Bradley Beal - whom Sheppard decide to build around - how is any player supposed to navigate his role drastically changing from one season to the next? Halfway through last year, we ended up trading Dinwiddie for Porzingis, a complete overhaul of our playstyle once again.

Rui Hachimura was never given a fair shake in DC. And this post doesn't even touch on the multitude of vicious attacks that people on this board personally made against Rui. Please stop defending dysfunction and actually look at the statistics. Look at how much his % assisted shots change from 2019/2020 => 2020/2021 (Playing with Ball dominant Russ) => 2021/2022 => 2022/2023. Actually, go on youtube and pull up his scoring clips from the different years and see how much he had place in the offense changed year to year. The Wizards handling of Hachimura is a textbook example of what not to do with a young player.
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Re: Rui Hachimura 2.0 

Post#902 » by gesa2 » Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:41 am

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Let me let you in on a little secret. Rui, Kuzma, Deni or Kispert it doesn't matter. The Wizards aren't going anywhere with any of them. I'm happy that Rui left and is no given a clear role that he can work towards.


I’ll just put this back up cause we agree 100% on this. The Wiz are a dysfunctional org and Tommy’s firing likely won’t change it. Rui is gone. You think he would have been a quality player if we handled him differently, I’m skeptical. We can watch what he does for the next few years and revisit it here. But we are in lockstep on the bigger point!
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Re: Rui Hachimura 2.0 

Post#903 » by Endless Loop » Thu Apr 20, 2023 1:30 am

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The Wizards have a bench full of assistant coaches. WTF do they do? Isn't it kind of basic to watch film?

If the coaches really weren't providing this basic level of... coaching- then the Wiz fired the wrong guy.
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Re: Rui Hachimura 2.0 

Post#904 » by prime1time » Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:32 am

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The Wizards have a bench full of assistant coaches. WTF do they do? Isn't it kind of basic to watch film?

If the coaches really weren't providing this basic level of... coaching- then the Wiz fired the wrong guy.

Imo, I think what happens is that because the Wizards core stars are not good enough to be competitive. For the players that we draft - going back much further than Hachimura tbh - there is never any clear sense of direction. One season it's "we need you to do this." The next season, it's "we need you to do that." When a player finally settles into the role, the whole team gets reconfigured in the offseason and then he goes into the next season and he has a different role.

In the last 4 years we went from having Bertans - Beal - Rui => Beal - Westbrook - Rui => Beal - Dinwiddie - Kuz - KCP...etc => Beal - Kuz - KP. Well for the role players on their team who are trying to figure out their role, these are tectonic shifts that lead to drastically different roles. A key number to key on for Rui is % of fg's assisted because it shows just how much his role has changed. As a rookie it was 62.9%, in his 2nd year it was 74%, in his 3rd year it was 60.6% and this season before he was traded it was 55%.

Did we want Hachimura to be an offensive initiator? Did we want Hachimura to be 3 and D? Did we want Hachimura to Pick and Pop. Did we want Hachimura to attack switches onto smaller defenders? Did we want Hachimura to play the 3 or the 4? Did we want Hachimura to defend the 5? What did we actually want from him? The reality is that it depends on who the "core players" are on the team? That answer is different, not based on Hachimura's skillset but based on whether we have Beal and Westbrook or Beal and KP or even Beal and Wall (what the team looked like when we initially drafted Hachimura).

Ultimately, the biggest indictment on the Wizards is our utter refusal to tank. A team with no clear direction needs to tank period. We should have tanked during Hachimura's rookie year. We should have tanked during Hachimura's 2nd year. We should have tanked during Hachimura's 3rd year. And we should have tanked (much better this year). By tanking all I mean is shutting down core pieces and letting the young guys play. People who are against tanking can scream until they are blue in the face that it hurts the competitive edge of an organization, but look at the putrid mediocrity that is the Wizards. Without generational talent, the Wizards are just a team searching for an identity which inevitably leads to the sabotage of young careers.

Because the Lakers have AD and Bron, it is crystal clear what Hachimura needs to do. They knew what they wanted from him before they even traded for him. And now that he has arrived, he provides it. It's a stunning indictment on the Wizards organization, that a player that was a throwaway player for us, is now a major contributor for the Lakers. Rui's career will likely be a perpetual indictment on the ineptitude of the Wizards organization for year to come.
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Re: Rui Hachimura 2.0 

Post#905 » by tleikheen » Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:42 pm

In five postseason games with the Wizards and now two games with the Lakers, Rui is shooting 47-73 from the field, a staggering 64.3%. And they’re not all simply layups, as fans have obviously seen the last two games, as he’s now 16-25 from the 3-point line in the playoffs, again a ridiculous 64%. He’s averaging 17.5 points per game in those seven contests and has scored 20 points in his last four playoff games, dating back to 2021 with Washington.

#PlayoffRui is real.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/d-angelo-russell-thinks-rui-hachimura-can-dominate-series-after-a-strong-game-2/ar-AA1a54Bn?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=5dc59b623f914d6cd82333b9438e9532&ei=63

Its very relevant ,the firing of Tommy Shepard and even though Wes Unseld Jr has been assured his job is safe I would think he knows his job is in the balance when a new GM gets hired and he is not the choice ofcoach for the new incoming GM.
Its been framed by Shepard and WUJ the choice needed to be made between Kuzma and Rui and Rui and Deni.
In 27 playoff games Kuzma avged { 9ppg and 3 rpg} . His career scoring high was 19 points.Rui has scored over 20 points his last 4 playoff games.
Its a stunning display of judgement on what Rui can do on the court between 2 organizations. At 25 Rui was a throwaway by the Wizards who now face a seismic shift within their organization. Rui who no matter how good he played the first 3 quarters never played in the 4th quarter for WUJ . Now he's closing out games on national TV in the playoffs and leading the Lakers in scoring ,24.5 ppg .
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Re: Rui Hachimura 2.0 

Post#906 » by DCZards » Thu Apr 20, 2023 1:14 pm

prime1time wrote:I'd also point out the discrepancy between what the Wizards said and what the Wizards did. You say the Wizards supported Hachimura, when what they really did was prove the absolute dysfunction of the organization.
The Zards supported Rui when he needed it the most…when he was going through his mental struggles at the start of the 2021-22 season. That’s real life. Everything else is just noise.

I’m thrilled to seeing him playing well for the Lakers.
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Re: Rui Hachimura 2.0 

Post#907 » by tleikheen » Thu Apr 20, 2023 1:54 pm

The Zards supported Rui when he needed it the most…when he was going through his mental struggles at the start of the 2021-22 season. That’s real life. Everything else is just noise.


They did .....but WUJ never had trust in Rui after that. My opinion it clouded his judgement and now this stunning vision between 2 organizations over what Rui can do on the court. The optics Rui was judged by Wizards fans and Lakers fans are so different. The dog whistles on his intelligence on the court are nowhere to be found by the Lakers or seen on National TV. The question of BBIQ has actually shifted to the Coaching of WUJ and to the front office of the Wizards in regards to Rui Hachimura and how he is playing in the national spotlight of the playoffs.
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Re: Rui Hachimura 2.0 

Post#908 » by TGW » Thu Apr 20, 2023 1:58 pm

I don't think Rui was a throwaway to the Wizards FO. They had a choice to make...him or Kuzma. They chose Kuzma. They reportedly offered Rui an extension and he turned it down. So it is what it is with Rui...as much as I don't care for Sheppard, he really didn't have a choice other than to trade him.
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Re: Rui Hachimura 2.0 

Post#909 » by Dark Faze » Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:00 pm

Recent takes are weird. This is a player who played the end of the season two years ago and shot a stupid 50%+ from 3 and had a good post season, then had a terrible start to the season. His overall stats with the *LAKERS* this year were only a tick better.

He's a high/low player, and now that he's on the high side again everyone is singing his praises lol. My god, just close this thread. It's ridiculous.
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Re: Rui Hachimura 2.0 

Post#910 » by JWizmentality » Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:02 pm

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prime1time wrote:
gesa2 wrote:Rui always seemed like a good guy and I’ll root for him wherever he goes. People getting upset about his treatment here have to be referring to *here* , on this chat board. He got all the court time he could handle his first 2 years, had the ball in his hands a ton. And when he struggled and needed time last year no one publicly did anything but support him and welcome him when he came back. With all that, as PIF would say, his numbers don’t lie. He was an ok isolation scorer by year 3 that offered little else. Once we believed we were going to keep Kuzma we weren’t going to be able to afford him.
I don’t really like Kuz or Rui as our power forward for the next 4 years. If we had to stay in house I’d use Deni and play Kispert at the 3. But we certainly weren’t going to keep both of them.

This is revisionist history. Hachimura's role on this team changed every year he was here because as an organization, we have no direction. As evinced by other people's comments, he was never given clear directions as to what his role or place on this team would be. From Dinwiddie's comments to Russ' comments about no one having a role, to him being out last year and not being able to compete for the starting spot he DID not get a fair shake here. Of course on this board, the comments were devoid of reality. But the Wizards are a perfect example of a moribund franchise. Organizational failure happens repeatedly. And it's why we don't resign any first-round draft picks. It's actually laughable that you wrote your comments.

Let me let you in on a little secret. Rui, Kuzma, Deni or Kispert it doesn't matter. The Wizards aren't going anywhere with any of them. I'm happy that Rui left and is no given a clear role that he can work towards.

I'd also point out the discrepancy between what the Wizards said and what the Wizards did. You say the Wizards supported Hachimura, when what they really did was prove the absolute dysfunction of the organization. For 2 years all we heard from Wizards management was that Hachimura needed to improve his 3-point shooting. They said it on the draft night. They said it during the summer league. They said it at during the bubble. They said it during the next season. Well in the 2021-2022 season, Hachimura showed significant improvement and he never even had a chance to fully show what he was capable of. He shot 44.6% from 3 yet his minutes dropped from 31.5 to 22.5.

He was an ok isolation scorer by year 3 that offered little else.

I guess 44.6% from 3 is nothing else. Also, funny how when Rui leaves the Wizards suddenly he knows how to play defense.
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In Rui's rookie year, the team was absolutely dysfunctional. Beal got injured and everyone on the organization just played for a contract. Here and there Rui had some good games, but he was playing a role that no competitive team would have put him in. For his actual development it was useless. In year 2, Rui played with Russ. So, Rui went from having the ball in his hands to playing around Russ' ball-dominant style. With Russ and Beal soaking up so many possessions, Rui literally had to change his entire style of play. IF you remember that season, the entire team was in dissarray until Westbrook demanded that every played define a role. It was out of this dysfunction, that Rui actually started to figure things out at the end of the season. He played some of his best games at the end of the season and in the 5 games against the 76ers.

Of course because we are the Wizards, we have to completely reshape the team in the offseason. So out goes Russ and in comes Kuz, KCP, Harell and Dinwiddie. Completely new team. Let's remember what the narrative was going into the season...
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Of course, Rui had his mental health problems and then he was quickly displaced by this organization. Other than Bradley Beal - whom Sheppard decide to build around - how is any player supposed to navigate his role drastically changing from one season to the next? Halfway through last year, we ended up trading Dinwiddie for Porzingis, a complete overhaul of our playstyle once again.

Rui Hachimura was never given a fair shake in DC. And this post doesn't even touch on the multitude of vicious attacks that people on this board personally made against Rui. Please stop defending dysfunction and actually look at the statistics. Look at how much his % assisted shots change from 2019/2020 => 2020/2021 (Playing with Ball dominant Russ) => 2021/2022 => 2022/2023. Actually, go on youtube and pull up his scoring clips from the different years and see how much he had place in the offense changed year to year. The Wizards handling of Hachimura is a textbook example of what not to do with a young player.


You mean Rui is actually a great defender? No gtfo. That will trigger our resudent fantasy GM blowhards and bandwagon Israelis.
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Re: Rui Hachimura 2.0 

Post#911 » by nate33 » Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:03 pm

TGW wrote:I don't think Rui was a throwaway to the Wizards FO. They had a choice to make...him or Kuzma. They chose Kuzma. They reportedly offered Rui an extension and he turned it down. So it is what it is with Rui...as much as I don't care for Sheppard, he really didn't have a choice other than to trade him.

Exactly. Indeed I'm fairly impressed that they addressed the situation proactively. Instead of just keeping Rui and then letting him walk in free agency, they exchanged him for three 2nd round picks that will provide value going forward. We can argue whether or not they made the right choice between Kuzma and Rui, but at least the process was right: pick one and trade the other for value. The Grunfeld regime would have kept them both and let one of them walk in the summer for nothing.
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Re: Rui Hachimura 2.0 

Post#912 » by DCZards » Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:08 pm

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The Zards supported Rui when he needed it the most…when he was going through his mental struggles at the start of the 2021-22 season. That’s real life. Everything else is just noise.


They did .....but WUJ never had trust in Rui after that. My opinion it clouded his judgement and now this stunning vision between 2 organizations over what Rui can do on the court. The optics Rui was judged by Wizards fans and Lakers fans are so different. The dog whistles on his intelligence on the court are nowhere to be found by the Lakers or seen on National TV. The question of BBIQ has actually shifted to the Coaching of WUJ and to the front office of the Wizards in regards to Rui Hachimura and how he is playing in the national spotlight of the playoffs.

Oh please…the only one talking about the Zards FO and coaching as it relates to Rui is you…and maybe one other person on this thread.
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Re: Rui Hachimura 2.0 

Post#913 » by payitforward » Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:45 pm

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prime1time wrote:I'd also point out the discrepancy between what the Wizards said and what the Wizards did. You say the Wizards supported Hachimura, when what they really did was prove the absolute dysfunction of the organization.
The Zards supported Rui when he needed it the most…when he was going through his mental struggles at the start of the 2021-22 season. That’s real life. Everything else is just noise.

I’m thrilled to see him playing well for the Lakers.

Me too! Rui's outstanding numbers in these first two playoff games are a treat to see -- may they continue!

But, they do not help show anything about his time as a Wizard.
Just as his numbers in these last two games were outstanding, in just the same way his numbers over almost four seasons as a Wizard were lousy. As a Wizard, Rui never had a season that was anything close to good.

But, improvement matters, & his numbers in his regular season stint with the Lakers, though still not at the level of an average 4, were a fair amount better overall than he'd shown with us.

& none of that is a matter of personal opinion in any direction! -- certainly not being a "hater."
It's just going down a table of numbers, comparing one number to another.

So, it's time to stop all this rhetoric. In particular, stop calling people "haters."
Don't call people names, prime. No one is calling you a name. You can show me where I'm wrong, no problem; point to the numbers. But, it's beneath you to call me (or anyone) names.

OTOH, it's not beneath tleikheen, who accused me of being a racist in his first post in my direction (& didn't take it back when I objected, btw) & then went on to show that, unlike you, there's no reason to take anything he writes seriously.
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Re: Rui Hachimura 2.0 

Post#914 » by payitforward » Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:52 pm

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TGW wrote:I don't think Rui was a throwaway to the Wizards FO. They had a choice to make...him or Kuzma. They chose Kuzma. They reportedly offered Rui an extension and he turned it down. So it is what it is with Rui...as much as I don't care for Sheppard, he really didn't have a choice other than to trade him.

Exactly. Indeed I'm fairly impressed that they addressed the situation proactively. Instead of just keeping Rui and then letting him walk in free agency, they exchanged him for three 2nd round picks that will provide value going forward. We can argue whether or not they made the right choice between Kuzma and Rui, but at least the process was right: pick one and trade the other for value. The Grunfeld regime would have kept them both and let one of them walk in the summer for nothing.

Right -- tho I suppose they could have traded both of them.
(I suppose, however, that would have contravened Ted's prime directive to "make the playoffs no I mean the play-in games at all cost so we can call the season a success.")
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Re: Rui Hachimura 2.0 

Post#915 » by prime1time » Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:28 pm

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prime1time wrote:I'd also point out the discrepancy between what the Wizards said and what the Wizards did. You say the Wizards supported Hachimura, when what they really did was prove the absolute dysfunction of the organization.
The Zards supported Rui when he needed it the most…when he was going through his mental struggles at the start of the 2021-22 season. That’s real life. Everything else is just noise.

I’m thrilled to seeing him playing well for the Lakers.

When a player has a mental health issue what does not supporting him look like?
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Post#916 » by CobraCommander » Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:51 pm

prime1time wrote:
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gesa2 wrote:Rui always seemed like a good guy and I’ll root for him wherever he goes. People getting upset about his treatment here have to be referring to *here* , on this chat board. He got all the court time he could handle his first 2 years, had the ball in his hands a ton. And when he struggled and needed time last year no one publicly did anything but support him and welcome him when he came back. With all that, as PIF would say, his numbers don’t lie. He was an ok isolation scorer by year 3 that offered little else. Once we believed we were going to keep Kuzma we weren’t going to be able to afford him.
I don’t really like Kuz or Rui as our power forward for the next 4 years. If we had to stay in house I’d use Deni and play Kispert at the 3. But we certainly weren’t going to keep both of them.

This is revisionist history. Hachimura's role on this team changed every year he was here because as an organization, we have no direction. As evinced by other people's comments, he was never given clear directions as to what his role or place on this team would be. From Dinwiddie's comments to Russ' comments about no one having a role, to him being out last year and not being able to compete for the starting spot he DID not get a fair shake here. Of course on this board, the comments were devoid of reality. But the Wizards are a perfect example of a moribund franchise. Organizational failure happens repeatedly. And it's why we don't resign any first-round draft picks. It's actually laughable that you wrote your comments.

Let me let you in on a little secret. Rui, Kuzma, Deni or Kispert it doesn't matter. The Wizards aren't going anywhere with any of them. I'm happy that Rui left and is no given a clear role that he can work towards.

I'd also point out the discrepancy between what the Wizards said and what the Wizards did. You say the Wizards supported Hachimura, when what they really did was prove the absolute dysfunction of the organization. For 2 years all we heard from Wizards management was that Hachimura needed to improve his 3-point shooting. They said it on the draft night. They said it during the summer league. They said it at during the bubble. They said it during the next season. Well in the 2021-2022 season, Hachimura showed significant improvement and he never even had a chance to fully show what he was capable of. He shot 44.6% from 3 yet his minutes dropped from 31.5 to 22.5.

He was an ok isolation scorer by year 3 that offered little else.

I guess 44.6% from 3 is nothing else. Also, funny how when Rui leaves the Wizards suddenly he knows how to play defense.
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In Rui's rookie year, the team was absolutely dysfunctional. Beal got injured and everyone on the organization just played for a contract. Here and there Rui had some good games, but he was playing a role that no competitive team would have put him in. For his actual development it was useless. In year 2, Rui played with Russ. So, Rui went from having the ball in his hands to playing around Russ' ball-dominant style. With Russ and Beal soaking up so many possessions, Rui literally had to change his entire style of play. IF you remember that season, the entire team was in dissarray until Westbrook demanded that every played define a role. It was out of this dysfunction, that Rui actually started to figure things out at the end of the season. He played some of his best games at the end of the season and in the 5 games against the 76ers.

Of course because we are the Wizards, we have to completely reshape the team in the offseason. So out goes Russ and in comes Kuz, KCP, Harell and Dinwiddie. Completely new team. Let's remember what the narrative was going into the season...
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Of course, Rui had his mental health problems and then he was quickly displaced by this organization. Other than Bradley Beal - whom Sheppard decide to build around - how is any player supposed to navigate his role drastically changing from one season to the next? Halfway through last year, we ended up trading Dinwiddie for Porzingis, a complete overhaul of our playstyle once again.

Rui Hachimura was never given a fair shake in DC. And this post doesn't even touch on the multitude of vicious attacks that people on this board personally made against Rui. Please stop defending dysfunction and actually look at the statistics. Look at how much his % assisted shots change from 2019/2020 => 2020/2021 (Playing with Ball dominant Russ) => 2021/2022 => 2022/2023. Actually, go on youtube and pull up his scoring clips from the different years and see how much he had place in the offense changed year to year. The Wizards handling of Hachimura is a textbook example of what not to do with a young player.

Great post -

More evidence that the team/owner is the problem - the coach is part of that problem too

IMO

Rui, Deni, Beal,KP, Gaf and Kuz should be better than what they have produced provided they were given direction and guidance from a org commited to wink g
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Re: Rui Hachimura 2.0 

Post#917 » by CobraCommander » Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:55 pm

payitforward wrote:
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TGW wrote:I don't think Rui was a throwaway to the Wizards FO. They had a choice to make...him or Kuzma. They chose Kuzma. They reportedly offered Rui an extension and he turned it down. So it is what it is with Rui...as much as I don't care for Sheppard, he really didn't have a choice other than to trade him.

Exactly. Indeed I'm fairly impressed that they addressed the situation proactively. Instead of just keeping Rui and then letting him walk in free agency, they exchanged him for three 2nd round picks that will provide value going forward. We can argue whether or not they made the right choice between Kuzma and Rui, but at least the process was right: pick one and trade the other for value. The Grunfeld regime would have kept them both and let one of them walk in the summer for nothing.

Right -- tho I suppose they could have traded both of them.
(I suppose, however, that would have contravened Ted's prime directive to "make the playoffs no I mean the play-in games at all cost so we can call the season a success.")

But if they choose kuz over Rui in the here and now knowing that they will need to pay Kuz a kings ransom… they made a huge long term costly mistake.

Kuz is the 3rd or 4th best player on a good team.

Further - The lakers would take todays Rui over todays Kuz and the wiz don’t have todays AD or Lebron. Next year when contracts are done everyone will take Rui over Kuz…

Trading Rui is a mistake that will be be compounded when they sign Kuz

They should have built around role players like Rui and Deni and tanked fully this year in hopes of getting a great player in the top 3 picks- now we mid of draft pick again
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Re: Rui Hachimura 2.0 

Post#918 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:40 pm

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In five postseason games with the Wizards and now two games with the Lakers, Rui is shooting 47-73 from the field, a staggering 64.3%. And they’re not all simply layups, as fans have obviously seen the last two games, as he’s now 16-25 from the 3-point line in the playoffs, again a ridiculous 64%. He’s averaging 17.5 points per game in those seven contests and has scored 20 points in his last four playoff games, dating back to 2021 with Washington.

#PlayoffRui is real.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/d-angelo-russell-thinks-rui-hachimura-can-dominate-series-after-a-strong-game-2/ar-AA1a54Bn?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=5dc59b623f914d6cd82333b9438e9532&ei=63

Its very relevant ,the firing of Tommy Shepard and even though Wes Unseld Jr has been assured his job is safe I would think he knows his job is in the balance when a new GM gets hired and he is not the choice ofcoach for the new incoming GM.
Its been framed by Shepard and WUJ the choice needed to be made between Kuzma and Rui and Rui and Deni.
In 27 playoff games Kuzma avged { 9ppg and 3 rpg} . His career scoring high was 19 points.Rui has scored over 20 points his last 4 playoff games.
Its a stunning display of judgement on what Rui can do on the court between 2 organizations. At 25 Rui was a throwaway by the Wizards who now face a seismic shift within their organization. Rui who no matter how good he played the first 3 quarters never played in the 4th quarter for WUJ . Now he's closing out games on national TV in the playoffs and leading the Lakers in scoring ,24.5 ppg .
The inflexible lineups of WUJ are why I rate him a lesser coach than most. He was extremely reluctant to use Gafford with Porzingis. I hadn't noticed a pattern with Rui.

Rui probably impressed Ty Lue and Lebron right away in practice.

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Re: Rui Hachimura 2.0 

Post#919 » by CobraCommander » Fri Apr 21, 2023 4:31 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
tleikheen wrote:
In five postseason games with the Wizards and now two games with the Lakers, Rui is shooting 47-73 from the field, a staggering 64.3%. And they’re not all simply layups, as fans have obviously seen the last two games, as he’s now 16-25 from the 3-point line in the playoffs, again a ridiculous 64%. He’s averaging 17.5 points per game in those seven contests and has scored 20 points in his last four playoff games, dating back to 2021 with Washington.

#PlayoffRui is real.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/d-angelo-russell-thinks-rui-hachimura-can-dominate-series-after-a-strong-game-2/ar-AA1a54Bn?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=5dc59b623f914d6cd82333b9438e9532&ei=63

Its very relevant ,the firing of Tommy Shepard and even though Wes Unseld Jr has been assured his job is safe I would think he knows his job is in the balance when a new GM gets hired and he is not the choice ofcoach for the new incoming GM.
Its been framed by Shepard and WUJ the choice needed to be made between Kuzma and Rui and Rui and Deni.
In 27 playoff games Kuzma avged { 9ppg and 3 rpg} . His career scoring high was 19 points.Rui has scored over 20 points his last 4 playoff games.
Its a stunning display of judgement on what Rui can do on the court between 2 organizations. At 25 Rui was a throwaway by the Wizards who now face a seismic shift within their organization. Rui who no matter how good he played the first 3 quarters never played in the 4th quarter for WUJ . Now he's closing out games on national TV in the playoffs and leading the Lakers in scoring ,24.5 ppg .
The inflexible lineups of WUJ are why I rate him a lesser coach than most. He was extremely reluctant to use Gafford with Porzingis. I hadn't noticed a pattern with Rui.

Rui probably impressed Ty Lue and Lebron right away in practice.

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100%

Rui gets to a team with stars and is told his exact role- doesn’t say a word- just plays his role to the best of his ability.

It’s telling that Rui mentioned the coaches told him what shots to take and what to look for so he could practice and be ready to seize those opportunities. It’s telling because Rui is implying that’s not what the wiz did.

Like the wiz don’t develop players- they just say… play ball guys

The coach has proven he isn’t good- go get Toronto’s coach or Bostons ex coach… Wes ain’t it
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Re: Rui Hachimura 2.0 

Post#920 » by zimpy27 » Sun Apr 23, 2023 2:58 am

Has Rui always been a big game player?
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