Remind me why the Raptors traded Norman Powell

[Fairview4Life]

The question was why did they make the trade, not did the trade work out as planned.

[OakleyDokely]

All I remember were people upset with his constant missed rotations and defensive lapses.

Him playing with Baynes, birch, Stanley Johnson and whoever else, was not going to win us more games then inserting Trent for Powell.

Norm was better than Trent that season so it had to have had some impact.

Lose by 10 instead of 20.

Doesn't always work like that.

[ATLTimekeeper]

I've heard that argument for sitting Fred this year as well. I don't buy it.

They negotiated Thad's extension before the trade was even done and I'm sure Jakob and the front office know what it's going to take to have him back.

You have a guy come up thru the organization and have had the same front office since he was a rookie and you think they never talked about an extension leading up to the deadline before trading him? He wouldn't of left if there was an agreement in place because they were sitting him. That's nonsense.

They could have talked extension and agreed on a ballpark. If some team comes and offers Poeltl 25 million he's not going to say, 'but I told the Raptors I'd sign for 20.' If the Raptors said, "we'll give you 20, but you're taking the rest of the year off' Poeltl is saying, 'I'll see what I can get on the market.'

Give me a list of 5 UFAs that sat out post-all star game to help their teams tank and then re-signed, and I'll buy this strategy a little more.

[ItsDanger]

It's OK to admit some trades just don't work out as planned. Nobody's perfect.

But trades should always work out right. Being a GM is simple.

Trade away Norm, pay the replacement same rate, then trade picks to get older centre. Seems inconsistent. Masai taking Ls.

[Duffman100]

It's OK to admit some trades just don't work out as planned. Nobody's perfect.

But trades should always work out right. Being a GM is simple.

Trade away Norm, pay the replacement same rate, then trade picks to get older centre. Seems inconsistent. Masai taking Ls.

Just crazy you haven't applied for the job yet.

[OakleyDokely]

But trades should always work out right. Being a GM is simple.

Trade away Norm, pay the replacement same rate, then trade picks to get older centre. Seems inconsistent. Masai taking Ls.

Just crazy you haven't applied for the job yet.

He wanted to tank but at the same time keep all the good players.

simple.

[ItsDanger]

But trades should always work out right. Being a GM is simple.

Trade away Norm, pay the replacement same rate, then trade picks to get older centre. Seems inconsistent. Masai taking Ls.

Just crazy you haven't applied for the job yet.

Don't know why you all are so defensive about it. Like I said, nobody's perfect. Instead of insulting me, take a break and maybe question the direction of the team instead,

[Duffman100]

Trade away Norm, pay the replacement same rate, then trade picks to get older centre. Seems inconsistent. Masai taking Ls.

Just crazy you haven't applied for the job yet.

Don't know why you all are so defensive about it. Like I said, nobody's perfect. Instead of insulting me, take a break and maybe question the direction of the team instead,

I'm not insulting you.

You've said in previous threads that a GM is an easy job to do and isn't a competitive job to get. Considering you're passionate about the team and it pays really well, and you have incredible insight into drafting players like Kessler (despite only mentioning him once). It's just surprising that you haven't acquired this really easily to get, high paying job.

[YogurtProducer]

Norm dynamic scorer with huge wingspan, and a love for Toronto second only to DD.

Posters: Norm (29) doesn't fit our timeline.

Our timeline = Fred (29) + Pascal (28)

Same Posters: .... GTJ is young and can develop into Bradley Beal

Yup I remember a bunch of them saying this. Made zero sense, they're all the same age. Should've traded FVV and Siakam as well then. He's also on a decent contract, GTJ will ask for more than what Norm makes.

If you can trade Siakam/FVV for a similarly talented 24 year old I am sure we would do that.

[ItsDanger]

Just crazy you haven't applied for the job yet.

Don't know why you all are so defensive about it. Like I said, nobody's perfect. Instead of insulting me, take a break and maybe question the direction of the team instead,

I'm not insulting you.

You've said in previous threads that a GM is an easy job to do and isn't a competitive job to get. Considering you're passionate about the team and it pays really well, and you have incredible insight into drafting players like Kessler (despite only mentioning him once). It's just surprising that you haven't acquired this really easily to get, high paying job.

I denied it was complex.

[Fairview4Life]

Just crazy you haven't applied for the job yet.

Don't know why you all are so defensive about it. Like I said, nobody's perfect. Instead of insulting me, take a break and maybe question the direction of the team instead,

I'm not insulting you.

You've said in previous threads that a GM is an easy job to do and isn't a competitive job to get. Considering you're passionate about the team and it pays really well, and you have incredible insight into drafting players like Kessler (despite only mentioning him once). It's just surprising that you haven't acquired this really easily to get, high paying job.

He doesn't have the right connections unfortunately. None of his high paying clients want to help him out. They need to keep his accounting advice.

[Duffman100]

Don't know why you all are so defensive about it. Like I said, nobody's perfect. Instead of insulting me, take a break and maybe question the direction of the team instead,

I'm not insulting you.

You've said in previous threads that a GM is an easy job to do and isn't a competitive job to get. Considering you're passionate about the team and it pays really well, and you have incredible insight into drafting players like Kessler (despite only mentioning him once). It's just surprising that you haven't acquired this really easily to get, high paying job.

I denied it was complex.

Okay, so it isn't complex. Should still be pretty straightforward to do.

[OakleyDokely]

When you trade good, established NBA players for picks or inexperienced young players you can't expect the returns to always turn out as good as the guys you traded. There's risk in trading for the mystery box. That's why a lot of posters are cautious about trading guys like Siakam, VV, OG etc unless it's for a really good return.

There are posted here who advocated for the trading of a guy like GTJ for whatever you can get, but then months later would complain why the 2nd rounder they got in return isn't as good.

[YogurtProducer]

It's OK to admit some trades just don't work out as planned. Nobody's perfect.

It's OK to admit that you're now advocating against tanking.

I'm only stating it was a bad trade. Has nothing to do with tanking, that's just your perception.

Statistically they have been virtually the same player for the past 2 seasons, except one is 5 years younger.

How is that a bad trade?

Especially coming from you who stresses getting younger, how is this bad?

[Michael Bradley]

I wanted the Raptors to keep Powell, and hindsight certainly suggests that they should have given the alternative and the fact that they wanted to compete this season, but at the time the logic was that they were going to take a step back, so it made sense to go with a younger option. Again hindsight kind of muddies things a bit because they made the playoffs two years ago and then traded a draft pick to make the play-in round this season. Norm likely would have helped the team a lot more over the past two seasons, and Trent's new contract is going to be more than Norm will make over the next three years.

I wouldn't say it was a "bad" trade, but certainly not a good one in hindsight, both due to Trent's lack of development and the team not being able to convert him into other assets at the deadline (so now they either overpay him or lose him).

[ItsDanger]

Attacking another poster for stating a trade was bad isn't a very good look. Perhaps, reconsider.

[Duffman100]

When you trade good, established NBA players for picks or inexperienced young players you can't expect the returns to always turn out as good as the guys you traded. There's risk in trading for the mystery box. That's why a lot of posters are cautious about trading guys like Siakam, VV, OG etc unless it's for a really good return.

There are posted here who advocated for the trading of a guy like GTJ for whatever you can get, but then months later would complain why the 2nd rounder they got in return isn't as good.

This is just it. If we want to start trading for players like Shaedon Sharpe, etc etc etc... (which I'm not 100% against). We then have to be fully aware and accept that the % hit rate on these players isn't 100%. No GM is going to have 100%.

[Wise80]

I've heard that argument for sitting Fred this year as well. I don't buy it.

They negotiated Thad's extension before the trade was even done and I'm sure Jakob and the front office know what it's going to take to have him back.

You have a guy come up thru the organization and have had the same front office since he was a rookie and you think they never talked about an extension leading up to the deadline before trading him? He wouldn't of left if there was an agreement in place because they were sitting him. That's nonsense.

They could have talked extension and agreed on a ballpark. If some team comes and offers Poeltl 25 million he's not going to say, 'but I told the Raptors I'd sign for 20.' If the Raptors said, "we'll give you 20, but you're taking the rest of the year off' Poeltl is saying, 'I'll see what I can get on the market.'

Give me a list of 5 UFAs that sat out post-all star game to help their teams tank and then re-signed, and I'll buy this strategy a little more.

I'm not going to look thru each teams history. I'm sure they're out there. There's also a difference between a guy whose been in your organization since he was drafted and a guy whose coming to you with 15 games left or whatever it is before he hits free agency.

It's not outrageous to think a guy would pack it in with an agreement for a new contract in place while all his buddies he came up with were doing the same thing.

There's also different ways to sit. It's not sitting every game. Just look at how the raptors did it back then.

[Duffman100]

Attacking another poster for stating a trade was bad isn't a very good look. Perhaps, reconsider.

When you continually ask our team to tank and trade established players for potential and draft capital. And then turn with 20/20 hindsight and be like 'wow, another L for Masai' since that potential didn't pan out. You're going to be met with ridicule. Especially when you reference that being a Sports GM is not a complex job nor is it competitive.

If you want draft capital and potential, then at least be aware and acknowledge the inherent risk in those deals.

[Wise80]

Norm was better than Trent that season so it had to have had some impact.

Lose by 10 instead of 20.

Doesn't always work like that.

No way.