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Post#381 » by bluejerseyjinx » Tue Apr 18, 2023 2:10 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:How do we feel about Jalen Hurts being the highest paid player in Football?


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Post#382 » by Mr B » Tue Apr 18, 2023 3:59 pm

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Well... I feel like the bar for Dak's 2nd extension was just established.

Do you think they give it to him? I get the impression that Jerry has some serious buyers remorse. Especially after watching Hurts lead his team to the SB. If Dak doesn’t do the same before he needs a new deal I don’t think Jerry is going to pay him.
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Re: 2023 Cowboys Offseason News & Notes 

Post#383 » by Micah Prescott » Tue Apr 18, 2023 4:15 pm

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Well... I feel like the bar for Dak's 2nd extension was just established.

Do you think they give it to him? I get the impression that Jerry has some serious buyers remorse. Especially after watching Hurts lead his team to the SB. If Dak doesn’t do the same before he needs a new deal I don’t think Jerry is going to pay him.

This coming season is make or break for both Dak and McCarthy. That's why I have been saying they need to push all in now. Because if Dallas doesn't make it deep we are going to be hiring a new coach, grooming a new QB, and entering rebuild mode.

Any regression next season results in the reset button being hit. If we improve both Dak and McCarthy get extensions.
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Post#384 » by bluejerseyjinx » Tue Apr 18, 2023 4:42 pm

I believe its make or break for McCarthy and numb nuts Prescott, but I don't think that for the rest of the team. This team is relatively young which is why I say keep building through the draft. McCarthy will be for sure gone after this season and we can start thinking about a QB replacement after next season. You can only go so far without a good QB. Look what happened to the 49ers last year and the previous years. I expect a similar year this season like we had last season, decent regular season which we all will enjoy and once again fall short once the playoffs start. Most likely the same reasons we will fall short again after 27 years in the playoffs we will see in the first 5 weeks of the season, turnovers by Dak, clock Management, penalties, lack of disipline, etc,.
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Re: 2023 Cowboys Offseason News & Notes 

Post#385 » by Micah Prescott » Tue Apr 18, 2023 8:17 pm

The question is how far does Dallas have to go for Jerry to extend both? I think the answer is 1 more PO win than last season. So if we make it to the NFC Championship game I think they will be safe. Anything less I think they are gone.

Resigning Cooper Rush was interesting. I do wonder if the front office believes that Cooper can be Dak's replacement if needed.
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Re: 2023 Cowboys Offseason News & Notes 

Post#386 » by Otis Driftwood » Tue Apr 18, 2023 8:38 pm

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Well... I feel like the bar for Dak's 2nd extension was just established.

Do you think they give it to him? I get the impression that Jerry has some serious buyers remorse. Especially after watching Hurts lead his team to the SB. If Dak doesn’t do the same before he needs a new deal I don’t think Jerry is going to pay him.


I honestly don't know... I know I wouldn't. Like Micah posted above - I would look at this season as a prove it year for him (and McCarthy as well). No one can look at last season without having serious doubts.

Having said that - we all know how Jerry does his business and I wouldn't be surprised in the least if he did something prior to training camp. He has to sign Parsons and it also sounds like Diggs (which I'm not so certain about either). And if doing Dak's deal now gives him cap space to do those deals as well, Jerry will do Jerry.
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Re: 2023 Cowboys Offseason News & Notes 

Post#387 » by Mr B » Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:28 pm

Here is some pretty good information about Dak’s contract and pending extension. Technically Dak 4 years left on his contract (including this coming season). The last two years of the deal are voidable though, so really he has 2 years left, this season and next season. If they want to save money in the long run they need to get a deal done this off season or during the season. If they wait until the 2024 off season he will likely just wait until that off season when he will become a true UFA. He has a no tag clause and a no trade clause in his contract.

https://youtu.be/OUmDeNq63-Y

I think if we see the Cowboys use a premium pick (1-3) on a QB that will tell us a lot about what their plans are for Dak and his extension.
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Re: 2023 Cowboys Offseason News & Notes 

Post#388 » by bluejerseyjinx » Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:28 pm

We are now in trade talk week with only a week left before the draft. Should be interesting see organizations move up and down depending on needs. Perhaps something unexpected may fall in our laps like C.D. Lamb did a couple years ago. OB's are always a top priority and part of the main discussions. I'm just not convinced the next guy for us or for anyone, is in this draft. And believe me I really want a new QB more than you can imagine. IMHO the best way forward for this year is to keep building the roster. Finish the defense and strengthen the O-line.
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Re: 2023 Cowboys Offseason News & Notes 

Post#389 » by Micah Prescott » Fri Apr 21, 2023 12:25 am

Mr B wrote:Here is some pretty good information about Dak’s contract and pending extension. Technically Dak 4 years left on his contract (including this coming season). The last two years of the deal are voidable though, so really he has 2 years left, this season and next season. If they want to save money in the long run they need to get a deal done this off season or during the season. If they wait until the 2024 off season he will likely just wait until that off season when he will become a true UFA. He has a no tag clause and a no trade clause in his contract.

https://youtu.be/OUmDeNq63-Y

I think if we see the Cowboys use a premium pick (1-3) on a QB that will tell us a lot about what their plans are for Dak and his extension.

I think they are going to wait and see what happens next season. I do not think they will draft a QB at all based on the fact that they didn't bring any in to look at and we resigned Cooper Rush. Like I questioned earlier, I wonder if they believe Rush is the future after Dak?

If Dak shows up next season and Dallas goes deep, they will keep him. Dak can't void they last 2 years of his contract, Jerry is the only one who can void that. If he doesn't show up we might be looking at the Cooper Rush era.

We could probably trade Dak's last 3 contract years too, get a multiple 1st round picks.
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Re: 2023 Cowboys Offseason News & Notes 

Post#390 » by Mr B » Fri Apr 21, 2023 2:46 am

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Mr B wrote:Here is some pretty good information about Dak’s contract and pending extension. Technically Dak 4 years left on his contract (including this coming season). The last two years of the deal are voidable though, so really he has 2 years left, this season and next season. If they want to save money in the long run they need to get a deal done this off season or during the season. If they wait until the 2024 off season he will likely just wait until that off season when he will become a true UFA. He has a no tag clause and a no trade clause in his contract.

https://youtu.be/OUmDeNq63-Y

I think if we see the Cowboys use a premium pick (1-3) on a QB that will tell us a lot about what their plans are for Dak and his extension.

I think they are going to wait and see what happens next season. I do not think they will draft a QB at all based on the fact that they didn't bring any in to look at and we resigned Cooper Rush. Like I questioned earlier, I wonder if they believe Rush is the future after Dak?

If Dak shows up next season and Dallas goes deep, they will keep him. Dak can't void they last 2 years of his contract, Jerry is the only one who can void that. If he doesn't show up we might be looking at the Cooper Rush era.

We could probably trade Dak's last 3 contract years too, get a multiple 1st round picks.

Here are the problems with that. The final two years are automatic void years. It’s happening regardless. Also the longer they wait the more they will have to pay, just like the last time they signed him. You have to remember that Josh Allen, Herbert, and Joe Burrow (not to mention Jackson) are all getting extensions this season or next season.

If they sign him now it’s likely for a deal similar to Hurts. If they wait the Cowboys are likely making Dak the highest paid player in NFL history on a fully guaranteed contract. Either that or they let him walk for nothing. They also cannot franchise him again.
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Post#391 » by Otis Driftwood » Fri Apr 21, 2023 2:10 pm

Mr B wrote:Here are the problems with that. The final two years are automatic void years. It’s happening regardless. Also the longer they wait the more they will have to pay, just like the last time they signed him. You have to remember that Josh Allen, Herbert, and Joe Burrow (not to mention Jackson) are all getting extensions this season or next season.

If they sign him now it’s likely for a deal similar to Hurts. If they wait the Cowboys are likely making Dak the highest paid player in NFL history on a fully guaranteed contract. Either that or they let him walk for nothing. They also cannot franchise him again.


Jerry & Stephen played that "Let's wait" game before and it burned them. I can't imagine them doing that again if they are truly committed to Dak. Because if they are - they will do a deal before the next round of 2nd contracts start with the group you mentioned.

The price of starting QB's never goes down. Ever. And if you believe in the guy you have - you pay him as soon as you can.
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Re: 2023 Cowboys Offseason News & Notes 

Post#392 » by Micah Prescott » Fri Apr 21, 2023 2:18 pm

Mr B wrote:
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Mr B wrote:Here is some pretty good information about Dak’s contract and pending extension. Technically Dak 4 years left on his contract (including this coming season). The last two years of the deal are voidable though, so really he has 2 years left, this season and next season. If they want to save money in the long run they need to get a deal done this off season or during the season. If they wait until the 2024 off season he will likely just wait until that off season when he will become a true UFA. He has a no tag clause and a no trade clause in his contract.

https://youtu.be/OUmDeNq63-Y

I think if we see the Cowboys use a premium pick (1-3) on a QB that will tell us a lot about what their plans are for Dak and his extension.

I think they are going to wait and see what happens next season. I do not think they will draft a QB at all based on the fact that they didn't bring any in to look at and we resigned Cooper Rush. Like I questioned earlier, I wonder if they believe Rush is the future after Dak?

If Dak shows up next season and Dallas goes deep, they will keep him. Dak can't void they last 2 years of his contract, Jerry is the only one who can void that. If he doesn't show up we might be looking at the Cooper Rush era.

We could probably trade Dak's last 3 contract years too, get a multiple 1st round picks.

Here are the problems with that. The final two years are automatic void years. It’s happening regardless. Also the longer they wait the more they will have to pay, just like the last time they signed him. You have to remember that Josh Allen, Herbert, and Joe Burrow (not to mention Jackson) are all getting extensions this season or next season.

If they sign him now it’s likely for a deal similar to Hurts. If they wait the Cowboys are likely making Dak the highest paid player in NFL history on a fully guaranteed contract. Either that or they let him walk for nothing. They also cannot franchise him again.

If they are voided no matter what then why are they even there? Basically he signed a 4 year extension that ends no matter what in 2 years? I guess that is how they had to work around the cap? Confusing IMO.

I do see his contract includes a no-trade clause so that isn't happening.

I guess you're right here. Dallas is going to have to make a decision on Dak before the season ends. That is not ideal.

Although I am confused as to why they can't franchise him again? From what I recall you can franchise a player infinitely but it costs more every time you do it.
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Re: 2023 Cowboys Offseason News & Notes 

Post#393 » by Mr B » Fri Apr 21, 2023 2:32 pm

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Micah Prescott wrote:I think they are going to wait and see what happens next season. I do not think they will draft a QB at all based on the fact that they didn't bring any in to look at and we resigned Cooper Rush. Like I questioned earlier, I wonder if they believe Rush is the future after Dak?

If Dak shows up next season and Dallas goes deep, they will keep him. Dak can't void they last 2 years of his contract, Jerry is the only one who can void that. If he doesn't show up we might be looking at the Cooper Rush era.

We could probably trade Dak's last 3 contract years too, get a multiple 1st round picks.

Here are the problems with that. The final two years are automatic void years. It’s happening regardless. Also the longer they wait the more they will have to pay, just like the last time they signed him. You have to remember that Josh Allen, Herbert, and Joe Burrow (not to mention Jackson) are all getting extensions this season or next season.

If they sign him now it’s likely for a deal similar to Hurts. If they wait the Cowboys are likely making Dak the highest paid player in NFL history on a fully guaranteed contract. Either that or they let him walk for nothing. They also cannot franchise him again.

If they are voided no matter what then why are they even there? Basically he signed a 4 year extension that ends no matter what in 2 years? I guess that is how they had to work around the cap? Confusing IMO.

I do see his contract includes a no-trade clause so that isn't happening.

I guess you're right here. Dallas is going to have to make a decision on Dak before the season ends. That is not ideal.

Although I am confused as to why they can't franchise him again? From what I recall you can franchise a player infinitely but it costs more every time you do it.

Yea the voided years are for cap reasons. Hurts has the same thing built into his contract.

The reason they cannot franchise him again is because Dak’s agent negotiated that into the contract. Normally they would be able to but the Jones’ agreed to have a no franchise clause in the deal.
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Re: 2023 Cowboys Offseason News & Notes 

Post#394 » by Micah Prescott » Fri Apr 21, 2023 4:09 pm

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Mr B wrote:Here are the problems with that. The final two years are automatic void years. It’s happening regardless. Also the longer they wait the more they will have to pay, just like the last time they signed him. You have to remember that Josh Allen, Herbert, and Joe Burrow (not to mention Jackson) are all getting extensions this season or next season.

If they sign him now it’s likely for a deal similar to Hurts. If they wait the Cowboys are likely making Dak the highest paid player in NFL history on a fully guaranteed contract. Either that or they let him walk for nothing. They also cannot franchise him again.

If they are voided no matter what then why are they even there? Basically he signed a 4 year extension that ends no matter what in 2 years? I guess that is how they had to work around the cap? Confusing IMO.

I do see his contract includes a no-trade clause so that isn't happening.

I guess you're right here. Dallas is going to have to make a decision on Dak before the season ends. That is not ideal.

Although I am confused as to why they can't franchise him again? From what I recall you can franchise a player infinitely but it costs more every time you do it.

Yea the voided years are for cap reasons. Hurts has the same thing built into his contract.

The reason they cannot franchise him again is because Dak’s agent negotiated that into the contract. Normally they would be able to but the Jones’ agreed to have a no franchise clause in the deal.

This is not good. In all likelihood Dak is going to sign a huge deal mid season, unless he does really poor opening the season but I doubt that because he is always good during the regular season.

I like Dak I think he is a "good" QB but I do not like the idea of signing him again long term before knowing what happens in the post season next year. That *should* be the basis of his next contract.

His agent deserves a raise. He really thought this through with the no trade and no franchise clauses.
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Re: 2023 Cowboys Offseason News & Notes 

Post#395 » by Mr B » Fri Apr 21, 2023 7:29 pm

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Micah Prescott wrote:If they are voided no matter what then why are they even there? Basically he signed a 4 year extension that ends no matter what in 2 years? I guess that is how they had to work around the cap? Confusing IMO.

I do see his contract includes a no-trade clause so that isn't happening.

I guess you're right here. Dallas is going to have to make a decision on Dak before the season ends. That is not ideal.

Although I am confused as to why they can't franchise him again? From what I recall you can franchise a player infinitely but it costs more every time you do it.

Yea the voided years are for cap reasons. Hurts has the same thing built into his contract.

The reason they cannot franchise him again is because Dak’s agent negotiated that into the contract. Normally they would be able to but the Jones’ agreed to have a no franchise clause in the deal.

This is not good. In all likelihood Dak is going to sign a huge deal mid season, unless he does really poor opening the season but I doubt that because he is always good during the regular season.

I like Dak I think he is a "good" QB but I do not like the idea of signing him again long term before knowing what happens in the post season next year. That *should* be the basis of his next contract.

His agent deserves a raise. He really thought this through with the no trade and no franchise clauses.

Keep this contract in mind if the Cowboys draft a QB with a premium pick (rounds 1-3). Hendon Hooker at 26? Would trade trade up if/when CJ Stoud starts sliding?
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Post#396 » by Mr B » Fri Apr 21, 2023 7:33 pm

I also think a guy like Clayton Tune from University of Houston could be drafted late and groomed to eventually replace Dak.
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Post#397 » by Micah Prescott » Fri Apr 21, 2023 9:51 pm

No way they do that in this draft, it would be the next draft. We only roster 2 QBs and have resigned Cooper Rush. Plus they haven't given any QBs workouts or given any clues at all they are even thinking QB.

I do not put it past them to be thinking that Rush is "the guy". I do not think they would have resigned him if they didn't believe he could become a starter if needed.
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Re: 2023 Cowboys Offseason News & Notes 

Post#398 » by Mr B » Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:33 pm

Micah Prescott wrote:No way they do that in this draft, it would be the next draft. We only roster 2 QBs and have resigned Cooper Rush. Plus they haven't given any QBs workouts or given any clues at all they are even thinking QB.

I do not put it past them to be thinking that Rush is "the guy". I do not think they would have resigned him if they didn't believe he could become a starter if needed.

No one thinks Rush is the guy except for a few delusional fans. He’s good enough to be the backup but not more than that. Also if they draft a QB they are very likely carrying 3 QB’s on the roster this year. We also already know that there are several QB’s in the draft that the Cowboys are interested in. Early in the off season they voiced their liking for both Stroud and Hooker on the high end and at least 3 on the low end (Duggan, Tune, and Aiden O’Connell from Purdue). Jerry has said they will draft a QB so I’m inclined to believe him about that.
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Re: 2023 Cowboys Offseason News & Notes 

Post#399 » by bluejerseyjinx » Mon Apr 24, 2023 7:38 pm

All the more reason to draft DT and LB early in the draft now. Cowboys want to use Parsons more of an edge rusher this year. Without a dominate DT, that will leave us extremely vulnerable at inside LB. Like I always say, you can never have enough LB's.
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Re: 2023 Cowboys Offseason News & Notes 

Post#400 » by bluejerseyjinx » Wed Apr 26, 2023 10:52 pm

Rumors the Cowboys are trending on moving back. Apparently the Saints have offered the Cowboys a 4th round pick and swap 1st round picks when we pick at 26. So basically we would gain a 4th round pick if we fell back to 29. Cowboys also hinting they may trade up if Bijan Robinson or Darnell Washington fall around the 20th pick.

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