Remind me why the Raptors traded Norman Powell

[Boogie!]

I'm happy for Norm, he's maximized his potential as a 6th man shooter w/ some drive chops that minimizes the other holes in his game.

The OP question is weird - clearly the team was taking a swing on a (then) 22 year old to see if he could develop into a higher ceiling. Norm turns 30 next month, Gary just turned 24 in January. Neither is going to dramatically alter the trajectory of a roster, but it's pretty easy to understand the move from the Raps' perspective imo.

If it's about age why not trade fvv then? Clearly the front officr valued the wront plsyers.

[Badonkadonk]

I'm happy for Norm, he's maximized his potential as a 6th man shooter w/ some drive chops that minimizes the other holes in his game.

The OP question is weird - clearly the team was taking a swing on a (then) 22 year old to see if he could develop into a higher ceiling. Norm turns 30 next month, Gary just turned 24 in January. Neither is going to dramatically alter the trajectory of a roster, but it's pretty easy to understand the move from the Raps' perspective imo.

If it's about age why not trade fvv then? Clearly the front officr valued the wront plsyers.

No idea what this has to do with FVV, but the easy answer here is that they didn't get a trade for FVV that they liked so it wasn't worth it. They liked GTJ as a swap for Norm. If the rumoured Suns deal was close to true, I understand why.

Again, don't get fixated on "direction". You don't make bad deals for the sake of making a deal.

[OakleyDokely]

I'm happy for Norm, he's maximized his potential as a 6th man shooter w/ some drive chops that minimizes the other holes in his game.

The OP question is weird - clearly the team was taking a swing on a (then) 22 year old to see if he could develop into a higher ceiling. Norm turns 30 next month, Gary just turned 24 in January. Neither is going to dramatically alter the trajectory of a roster, but it's pretty easy to understand the move from the Raps' perspective imo.

If it's about age why not trade fvv then? Clearly the front officr valued the wront plsyers.

Do we know if the Raps were even offered a player as good as GTJ for VV?

[YogurtProducer]

No he missed a stretch of games in March and April.

He was injured my guy

But the fact is that he was a starter that has equal stats to a bench player.

Would a guy playing against the bench not help his stats a bit? GTJ is the 3rd-4th options with the starters. Powell is the 1st option with the benhc

Norm is older

Ok?

and plays 10mins less than Trent.

This is a lie.

[LastNameEver]

It was weird, he was a good player that liked being in Toronto and never complained about his role. On any given night he could get 25-30 efficiently while scoring at all 3 levels.

[Tom_Foolery]

No he missed a stretch of games in March and April.

He was injured my guy

But the fact is that he was a starter that has equal stats to a bench player.

Would a guy playing against the bench not help his stats a bit? GTJ is the 3rd-4th options with the starters. Powell is the 1st option with the benhc

Norm is older

Ok?

and plays 10mins less than Trent.

This is a lie.

I don't believe it he was injured. He gave up on the team.

Here are the stats. Norm's production is equal with less minutes.
https://www.espn.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/2595516/norman-powell
https://www.espn.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/4277843/gary-trent-jr

[nikster]

Everyone hates Russ, but I don't think FVV would be able to do what Russ has done against the Suns, he's played quite well this series. His defense has actually been really good.

Fred could manage that team better as a floor general. Russ is tunnel vision. On a team of Vets, Fred plays much differently than he has for our team since Kawhi left.

I mean if he was so good and a great floor general, he should've got us past the play in game against the terrible Bulls lol. But thats a different thread, I don't think FVV would've helped this roster led by Norm beat the Suns. They had nobody else tonight.

We're comparing him to Westbrook, who was the 11th seed at the time of the trade despite playing with AD and Lebron

[Los_29]

Portland traded Norm for an expiring contract in Bledsoe.

Norm is more efficient but has been less impactful than GTJ according to the most credible advanced metrics as voted by NBA executives.

In addition he’s 6 years older.

Even if you prefer Norm to GTJ, a team in our situation needs to go for the younger player. We weren’t winning anything with Norm and Norm isn’t the better asset as evidenced by last year’s trade.

I think we can also agree that none of us would want to be paying Norm until 2027.

[Inevitable]

Usual suspects doing PR for Masai but can’t admit to the contradiction of needing to go young (while giving said player a short deal) then handing the keys to a duo of soon to be 30 year olds.

[Dalek]

I think any credible shooting guard in the NBA can go off for 30-40 points any given night. Both Powell and Trent show that most games.

The problem with Powell was he was not a good enough defender to start for Toronto and was a likely 6 man who you could not run the offense through. They probably thought Trent was younger and bigger and if he developed right could defend his position, but that was a failure.

Both are replaceable players. I just happen to like Norm more because he can drive the ball a bit better and he shows up on occasion in the playoffs. Trent is a bit flakey.

I personally think they will draft their next ballhandler SG and hopefully it solves some of the shooting and defensive issues - Amari Bailey; Keyonte George; Cason Wallace, Kobe Bufkin come on down.

[Fairview4Life]

Norm deserved the same development opportunities as Fred

How did Norm not have the same development opportunities as Fred?

[ATLTimekeeper]

Usual suspects doing PR for Masai but can’t admit to the contradiction of needing to go young (while giving said player a short deal) then a year later handing the keys to a duo of soon to be 30 year olds.

No one's arguing they should have handed the keys to Norm Powell. There's no contradiction. They chose to go younger with a bench player. Some of you guys try so hard and never get it right.

[KL78192020]

Portland traded Norm for an expiring contract in Bledsoe.

Norm is more efficient but has been less impactful than GTJ according to the most credible advanced metrics as voted by NBA executives.

In addition he’s 6 years older.

Even if you prefer Norm to GTJ, a team in our situation needs to go for the younger player. We weren’t winning anything with Norm and Norm isn’t the better asset as evidenced by last year’s trade.

I think we can also agree that none of us would want to be paying Norm until 2027.

Than why keep FVV/Siakam who are the same age and aren't leading this team anywhere as well. It's a half assed appraoch.

You want to pay FVV/Siakam till 2027? Both are soon to be free agents. FVV will age much worse than Norm at his size and nagging injuries.

[ciueli]

The real reason is that Masai is extremely reluctant to hand out long term contracts. During Masai's time here zero players have gotten 5 year deal from him, even All-Star level players like Pascal Siakam, Kyle Lowry, and DeMar DeRozan. Norm got a 5 year deal from Portland, he was never getting that from Masai.

[Fairview4Life]

Portland traded Norm for an expiring contract in Bledsoe.

Norm is more efficient but has been less impactful than GTJ according to the most credible advanced metrics as voted by NBA executives.

In addition he’s 6 years older.

Even if you prefer Norm to GTJ, a team in our situation needs to go for the younger player. We weren’t winning anything with Norm and Norm isn’t the better asset as evidenced by last year’s trade.

I think we can also agree that none of us would want to be paying Norm until 2027.

Than why keep FVV/Siakam who are the same age and aren't leading this team anywhere as well. It's a half assed appraoch.

You want to pay FVV/Siakam till 2027? Both are soon to be free agents. FVV will age much worse than Norm at his size and nagging injuries.

Norm was an impending unrestricted free agent that summer. Fred and Pascal had already been extended.

[KL78192020]

Portland traded Norm for an expiring contract in Bledsoe.

Norm is more efficient but has been less impactful than GTJ according to the most credible advanced metrics as voted by NBA executives.

In addition he’s 6 years older.

Even if you prefer Norm to GTJ, a team in our situation needs to go for the younger player. We weren’t winning anything with Norm and Norm isn’t the better asset as evidenced by last year’s trade.

I think we can also agree that none of us would want to be paying Norm until 2027.

Than why keep FVV/Siakam who are the same age and aren't leading this team anywhere as well. It's a half assed appraoch.

You want to pay FVV/Siakam till 2027? Both are soon to be free agents. FVV will age much worse than Norm at his size and nagging injuries.

Norm was an impending unrestricted free agent that summer. Fred and Pascal had already been extended.

And what about now FVV is free agent now and Siakam next summer. They're in the same spot. It's the same spot they were in with Norm a couple of years ago, aging vets leading this team nowhere who want max money. At least Norm is on a decent deal.

[Fairview4Life]

Than why keep FVV/Siakam who are the same age and aren't leading this team anywhere as well. It's a half assed appraoch.

You want to pay FVV/Siakam till 2027? Both are soon to be free agents. FVV will age much worse than Norm at his size and nagging injuries.

Norm was an impending unrestricted free agent that summer. Fred and Pascal had already been extended.

And what about now FVV is free agent now and Siakam next summer. They're in the same spot. It's the same spot they were in with Norm a couple of years ago, aging vets leading this team nowhere who want max money. At least Norm is on a decent deal.

We are talking about why Norm was traded that season and not Fred or Pascal, despite their similar ages. If you're talking about not trading Pascal or Fred this season, Pascal is still under contract next year so it isn't a similar situation of losing a player for nothing, and Fred has a player option. It sounds like we did try and move Fred but got crap offers for him. Like the Clippers wouldn't even trade the 30th pick and Tarence Mann kind of crap offers.

[ATLTimekeeper]

They're not in the same spot because they have gotten younger overall. Fred and Pascal are all-stars and will get paid accordingly. Norm is still a bench player/5th starter. They traded one of those for another younger one of those.

[JJ_PR]

Reporter:"Do you miss Norm on the Raptors?"
Kid:"No "
Reporter:"No? "
Kid:"... "

This killed me.

[Brinbe]

Portland traded Norm for an expiring contract in Bledsoe.

Norm is more efficient but has been less impactful than GTJ according to the most credible advanced metrics as voted by NBA executives.

In addition he’s 6 years older.

Even if you prefer Norm to GTJ, a team in our situation needs to go for the younger player. We weren’t winning anything with Norm and Norm isn’t the better asset as evidenced by last year’s trade.

I think we can also agree that none of us would want to be paying Norm until 2027.

Than why keep FVV/Siakam who are the same age and aren't leading this team anywhere as well. It's a half assed appraoch.

You want to pay FVV/Siakam till 2027? Both are soon to be free agents. FVV will age much worse than Norm at his size and nagging injuries.

yep. they clearly undervalued what norm brought and thought (Wrongly) that gary would be an acceptable replacement at a cheaper price. if they cared at all about their vaunted team culture, they keep norm. but they wanted to save money.

and their (over)evaluation of fred is also clearly a big part of the issues too. they talk about selfishness a ton but in terms of culture setting is pascal/fred a part of that discussion or are they gonna blame others like boucher or gary?