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2023 Draft Discussion Part III

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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#1821 » by ItsDanger » Fri Apr 21, 2023 5:33 pm

BoyzNTheHood wrote:I might shoot for the stars and take Dariq Whitehead if no one drops. A classic case of being misused. And although I can’t argue with Duke’s results I don’t think they did Dariq any favours this season. The only thing I’m worried about is his injury history but I’ll vouch for the actual player that he is.

There’s a lot of developmental time available to him. He’s only a month older than GG with miles more maturity. He’s younger than Coulibaly, Wemby, Scoot, Sidy, George, etc

He was used as a corner/elbow 3 pt shot release most of the season. Supposedly has 3 level scoring ability but I didn't see it maybe due to role. Didn't get a feel about his handle, mid range or finish at the rim. Overall, disappointing from an evaluation perspective. Could be a big sleeper.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#1822 » by BoyzNTheHood » Fri Apr 21, 2023 5:35 pm

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BoyzNTheHood wrote:I might shoot for the stars and take Dariq Whitehead if no one drops. A classic case of being misused. And although I can’t argue with Duke’s results I don’t think they did Dariq any favours this season. The only thing I’m worried about is his injury history but I’ll vouch for the actual player that he is.

There’s a lot of developmental time available to him. He’s only a month older than GG with miles more maturity. He’s younger than Coulibaly, Wemby, Scoot, Sidy, George, etc

He was used as a corner/elbow 3 pt shot release most of the season. Supposedly has 3 level scoring ability but I didn't see it maybe due to role. Didn't get a feel about his handle, mid range or finish at the rim. Overall, disappointing from an evaluation perspective. Could be a big sleeper.

I think he’s a workout riser. One of those kids that comes out of no where and provides huge value for the team that drafts him (barring injuries).
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#1823 » by nowayguy » Fri Apr 21, 2023 6:01 pm

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PoundTown wrote:Two guys I'm zeroed in on are Coulibaly and Bufkin.

If you take into account that Bufkin is still a teenager and think of him more like a freshman that can play both ways, and how much he had improved from day 1 to end of season, he's quite the good all around prospect. Ceiling is like a McCollum with better D.


I know you state that is the ceiling but I see more like Tre Mann, who was drafted 18th.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kobe-bufkin-1.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/tre-mann-1.html?utm_medium=sr_xsite&utm_source=bbr&utm_campaign=2023_02_tbl_player_college_stats&utm_content=lnk_mcbb&utm_id=manntr01

Bufkin was noticeably better at getting to the rim then Mann, so there's probably a bit more optimism for Bufkin as a three-level scorer.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#1824 » by WuTang_CMB » Fri Apr 21, 2023 6:04 pm

Need guard depth more than ever.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#1825 » by planetmars » Fri Apr 21, 2023 6:15 pm

What do guys here think of Marcus Sasser?

He's a 4 year college senior. Already 22. And he's 6'1. So there are the negatives.

He's a 38+% 3pt shooter.. one of the better in his draft class. He's got a really fast/tight dribble. Gets a lot of steals (averaged 1.6 a game). Has a BPM of 12 which is nuts. Has basically a 60% TS% which is nuts for a guard.

As an older player he'll be able to contribute right away.

He's mocked lower in the draft (high 20's) - likely due to age. Could try to buy another pick or trade down (Brooklyn has #21 and #22).

Someone at SI labeled him the best shooting PG in the draft too:
https://www.si.com/nba/draft/newsfeed/best-shooter-for-each-position-in-2023-nba-draft

Marcus Sasser shot 38.4% from three this past season for Houston. The high level shot-making guard has a great combination of elite shooting ability off the catch and off the dribble. He ranked in the 95th percentile in catch and shoot jumpers as he shot a ridiculous 45.2% on all jumpers off the catch. He has the ability to play off the ball and operate next to other star caliber players who need the ball on offense. What separates him from most lead guards is that he can legitimately create his own shot off the bounce. He has an elite step-back jumper with a great handle to create so much separation.




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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#1826 » by Rapsfan07 » Fri Apr 21, 2023 6:27 pm

planetmars wrote:What do guys here think of Marcus Sasser?

He's a 4 year college senior. Already 22. And he's 6'1. So there are the negatives.

He's a 38+% 3pt shooter.. one of the better in his draft class. He's got a really fast/tight dribble. Gets a lot of steals (averaged 1.6 a game). Has a BPM of 12 which is nuts. Has basically a 60% TS% which is nuts for a guard.

As an older player he'll be able to contribute right away.

He's mocked lower in the draft (high 20's) - likely due to age. Could try to buy another pick or trade down (Brooklyn has #21 and #22).

Someone at SI labeled him the best shooting PG in the draft too:
https://www.si.com/nba/draft/newsfeed/best-shooter-for-each-position-in-2023-nba-draft

Marcus Sasser shot 38.4% from three this past season for Houston. The high level shot-making guard has a great combination of elite shooting ability off the catch and off the dribble. He ranked in the 95th percentile in catch and shoot jumpers as he shot a ridiculous 45.2% on all jumpers off the catch. He has the ability to play off the ball and operate next to other star caliber players who need the ball on offense. What separates him from most lead guards is that he can legitimately create his own shot off the bounce. He has an elite step-back jumper with a great handle to create so much separation.






I like Sasser and most of us on here like him.

This issue for me personally is he is older than most of the class and projects to be a high level back up PG. I think Toronto needs to swing for a little more than that if we're going to turn this thing around.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#1827 » by Dalek » Fri Apr 21, 2023 6:35 pm

planetmars wrote:What do guys here think of Marcus Sasser?

He's a 4 year college senior. Already 22. And he's 6'1. So there are the negatives.

He's a 38+% 3pt shooter.. one of the better in his draft class. He's got a really fast/tight dribble. Gets a lot of steals (averaged 1.6 a game). Has a BPM of 12 which is nuts. Has basically a 60% TS% which is nuts for a guard.

As an older player he'll be able to contribute right away.

He's mocked lower in the draft (high 20's) - likely due to age. Could try to buy another pick or trade down (Brooklyn has #21 and #22).

Someone at SI labeled him the best shooting PG in the draft too:
https://www.si.com/nba/draft/newsfeed/best-shooter-for-each-position-in-2023-nba-draft

Marcus Sasser shot 38.4% from three this past season for Houston. The high level shot-making guard has a great combination of elite shooting ability off the catch and off the dribble. He ranked in the 95th percentile in catch and shoot jumpers as he shot a ridiculous 45.2% on all jumpers off the catch. He has the ability to play off the ball and operate next to other star caliber players who need the ball on offense. What separates him from most lead guards is that he can legitimately create his own shot off the bounce. He has an elite step-back jumper with a great handle to create so much separation.






I liked him last year with our second round pick and he shot it a lot better. He came back this year and his team fell short and he didn't make a marked improvement on anything.

Ultimately, I like the defense, the shooting is NBA level, but is he a good enough playmaker? I don't think we can survive with a 6'1/6'2 shooting guard. Guys like Seth Curry and Bryn Forbes have a role, but they are 8th men because size wise they can't defend well enough.

If we were to be in the 20s, I'd draft Colby Jones and Brandin Podziemski or take a flyer on Maxwell Lewis or Terq Smith ahead of Sasser. To me, he is still a late first, early second type. Perfect fit for a playoff contender.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#1828 » by planetmars » Fri Apr 21, 2023 6:38 pm

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planetmars wrote:What do guys here think of Marcus Sasser?

He's a 4 year college senior. Already 22. And he's 6'1. So there are the negatives.

He's a 38+% 3pt shooter.. one of the better in his draft class. He's got a really fast/tight dribble. Gets a lot of steals (averaged 1.6 a game). Has a BPM of 12 which is nuts. Has basically a 60% TS% which is nuts for a guard.

As an older player he'll be able to contribute right away.

He's mocked lower in the draft (high 20's) - likely due to age. Could try to buy another pick or trade down (Brooklyn has #21 and #22).

Someone at SI labeled him the best shooting PG in the draft too:
https://www.si.com/nba/draft/newsfeed/best-shooter-for-each-position-in-2023-nba-draft

Marcus Sasser shot 38.4% from three this past season for Houston. The high level shot-making guard has a great combination of elite shooting ability off the catch and off the dribble. He ranked in the 95th percentile in catch and shoot jumpers as he shot a ridiculous 45.2% on all jumpers off the catch. He has the ability to play off the ball and operate next to other star caliber players who need the ball on offense. What separates him from most lead guards is that he can legitimately create his own shot off the bounce. He has an elite step-back jumper with a great handle to create so much separation.






I like Sasser and most of us on here like him.

This issue for me personally is he is older than most of the class and projects to be a high level back up PG. I think Toronto needs to swing for a little more than that if we're going to turn this thing around.


The age thing is the reason he will be drafted late. But I don't know about high level backup. We need shooters and guard play and he provides both.

That's exactly what the Raptors need now and in the future.. especially if we want a side kick for Scottie. Scottie needs shooters around him.

I'd try to trade down.. maybe get both the Nets picks (#21 and #22).. and then draft Sasser with one of them. Use the other pick for someone with more potential.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#1829 » by niQ » Fri Apr 21, 2023 6:41 pm

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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#1830 » by BoyzNTheHood » Fri Apr 21, 2023 6:42 pm

planetmars wrote:
Rapsfan07 wrote:
planetmars wrote:What do guys here think of Marcus Sasser?

He's a 4 year college senior. Already 22. And he's 6'1. So there are the negatives.

He's a 38+% 3pt shooter.. one of the better in his draft class. He's got a really fast/tight dribble. Gets a lot of steals (averaged 1.6 a game). Has a BPM of 12 which is nuts. Has basically a 60% TS% which is nuts for a guard.

As an older player he'll be able to contribute right away.

He's mocked lower in the draft (high 20's) - likely due to age. Could try to buy another pick or trade down (Brooklyn has #21 and #22).

Someone at SI labeled him the best shooting PG in the draft too:
https://www.si.com/nba/draft/newsfeed/best-shooter-for-each-position-in-2023-nba-draft







I like Sasser and most of us on here like him.

This issue for me personally is he is older than most of the class and projects to be a high level back up PG. I think Toronto needs to swing for a little more than that if we're going to turn this thing around.


The age thing is the reason he will be drafted late. But I don't know about high level backup. We need shooters and guard play and he provides both.

That's exactly what the Raptors need now and in the future.. especially if we want a side kick for Scottie. Scottie needs shooters around him.

I'd try to trade down.. maybe get both the Nets picks (#21 and #22).. and then draft Sasser with one of them. Use the other pick for someone with more potential.

I agree with you. I think Sasser is a quality starter in the NBA. I compare him to a lesser version of Damian Lillard.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#1831 » by BoyzNTheHood » Fri Apr 21, 2023 6:46 pm

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Finally drafting someone with shooting? Hopefully?

Hopefully we either draft or sign guys with that ability. Orlando has done project 6’9” better than us. They have guys who can shoot. Isaac, Wagner, and Banchero fit our playing style to a tee.

We have options in this draft but we played ourselves out of that spot. I’m willing to bet a team like Orlando or Dallas add Hendricks.

So we’re left with the likes of inefficient guards. My hope is that someone falls, or we rise in the lottery.
deeps6x wrote:I guarantee you that (Jaylen) Brown and (Kris) Dunn are drafted OUT of the top 5.
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Post#1832 » by Mark_83 » Fri Apr 21, 2023 8:18 pm

Would love to get another pick. Do either Precious or Boucher have that kind of value?

Would love to add Coulibaly + George/Cissoko/Bufkin.
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Post#1833 » by Psubs » Fri Apr 21, 2023 8:29 pm

Mark_83 wrote:Would love to get another pick. Do either Precious or Boucher have that kind of value?

Would love to add Coulibaly + George/Cissoko/Bufkin.


Precious and Flynn are at least on their rookie contracts and retainable. I hope Boucher's value around the league hasn't tanked.

Is Masai talking about Precious not getting minutes? If so, then he should've traded Boucher away at the deadline.
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Post#1834 » by BoyzNTheHood » Fri Apr 21, 2023 8:38 pm

Purge all assets not named Siakam and Barnes for picks or to flip bench talent. Maybe for underperforming guys on other teams that need a change of scenery.
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Post#1835 » by Psubs » Fri Apr 21, 2023 8:46 pm

BoyzNTheHood wrote:Purge all assets not named Siakam and Barnes for picks or to flip bench talent. Maybe for underperforming guys on other teams that need a change of scenery.


Siakam will soon be overpriced and unmovable unless for similar bad contracts like Beal, Lavine and Lillard.

Best to trade Siakam for a lessor but similar trade for Durant.

I would build around Barnes, OG, #13 and Poeltl. Poeltl must be retained or else just wasted the 1st pick next year.
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Post#1836 » by grant101 » Fri Apr 21, 2023 9:00 pm

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Finally drafting someone with shooting? Hopefully?


Yep. This is now the second straight presser where Masai has explicitly mentioned the need to add 3pt shooting. I think you can cross out poor shooters off the list (unless of course someone slides)
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Post#1837 » by Psubs » Fri Apr 21, 2023 9:11 pm

grant101 wrote:Yep. This is now the second straight presser where Masai has explicitly mentioned the need to add 3pt shooting. I think you can cross out poor shooters off the list (unless of course someone slides)


He signed Otto specifically to help with shooting the 3 but was hurt all year. Please stop Boucher and Precious from shooting it.
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Post#1838 » by Mark_83 » Fri Apr 21, 2023 9:16 pm

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Finally drafting someone with shooting? Hopefully?

Hopefully we either draft or sign guys with that ability. Orlando has done project 6’9” better than us. They have guys who can shoot. Isaac, Wagner, and Banchero fit our playing style to a tee.

We have options in this draft but we played ourselves out of that spot. I’m willing to bet a team like Orlando or Dallas add Hendricks.

So we’re left with the likes of inefficient guards. My hope is that someone falls, or we rise in the lottery.

Have they though?

Bottom 5 finish.
15 games below .500
Their overrated #1 pick Banchero had a 52% TS% and doesn't play defense. lol
Fultz and Suggs (2/3 of the guard rotation) shoot below 33% from 3.
Isaac didn't even play this year.
Our team 3pt% is 28th worst, they're 24th.
Also, they're not even that long.

Y'all overrate the Magic too much. Call me when they actually accomplish something.
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Post#1839 » by Psubs » Fri Apr 21, 2023 9:30 pm

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BoyzNTheHood wrote:
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Finally drafting someone with shooting? Hopefully?

Hopefully we either draft or sign guys with that ability. Orlando has done project 6’9” better than us. They have guys who can shoot. Isaac, Wagner, and Banchero fit our playing style to a tee.

We have options in this draft but we played ourselves out of that spot. I’m willing to bet a team like Orlando or Dallas add Hendricks.

So we’re left with the likes of inefficient guards. My hope is that someone falls, or we rise in the lottery.

Have they though?

Bottom 5 finish.
15 games below .500
Their overrated #1 pick Banchero had a 52% TS% and doesn't play defense. lol
Fultz and Suggs (2/3 of the guard rotation) shoot below 33% from 3.
Isaac didn't even play this year.
Our team 3pt% is 28th worst, they're 24th.
Also, they're not even that long.

Y'all overrate the Magic too much. Call me when they actually accomplish something.


Cole Anthony is their best PG but they are either blind or are hiding him. They need to trade Fultz.

Would you trade Boucher and Flynn for Fultz? I think he might be able to keep improving his 3pt shooting.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part III 

Post#1840 » by Dalek » Fri Apr 21, 2023 9:35 pm

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Finally drafting someone with shooting? Hopefully?


Yep. This is now the second straight presser where Masai has explicitly mentioned the need to add 3pt shooting. I think you can cross out poor shooters off the list (unless of course someone slides)


How cool would it be to sign Juwan Howard and then to draft Jett Howard? I don't see Juwan leaving Michigan but to coach Jett it might be enticing. I can only think of Doc and Austin Rivers in the coach/player dynamic.

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