Bam since becoming a starter (4 years) vs Bosh Miami Heat Tenure (6 years)

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I would assume the red font part of your statement is because he became a third wheel behind two clearly better players than him.
As per the assisted stats again, he was playing with Lebron him being an excellent passer and Wade another great one. Scoring assisted is all fine and dandy, not knocking Bam or Bosch but what we are debating here is the ability of each player to score unassisted, not depending on another player to score, Isolation stats would be a good start in order to find out. Because by the eye test Chris had more tools in his arsenal to score without any help from another player.

The red font is questioning why he wasn’t able to be more efficient with them despite being the better overall offensive player than Bam. Shouldn’t he have been far more efficient next to 2 elite passers like that? Seems like he didn’t use his skills to the best of his ability. If Bam played with LeBron and Wade I bet his efficiency would jump.

From what we saw from Heat tenure Bosh to Bam according to the amount of shots they were assisted on Bam gets more buckets by himself than Bosh did.

Eye test would tell you Herro has more scoring tools than Bam but in isolation scoring he’s far, far worse than Bam. If I had to guess I would hope Boshs are slightly better than a Bams

Are you talking about field goal percentage? or being a better scorer like more points per game? or more tools in his offensive arsenal.
no one is arguing Bam is a better well rounded scorer than Bosh,although Bosh couldn’t take advantage of that in the big 3 era for whatever reason
this right here is what got me confused, thought we were discussing Bosh was a well more rounded basketball player.

I’m talking overall scoring efficiency and True Shooting %. Bosh scored less points on more shot attempts on worse efficiency. I’m saying you would think since he’s a more well rounded scorer, not player, that he would be able to find ways to score more efficiently especially considering the attention LeBron and Wade draw and the fact they’re elite passers.

[contract]

Thread will be better in the general board, that way we can avoid cherry picking stats and get an outside opinion about it without a fanatic's point of view.

I agree this would be the best place to discuss

I can add sometime this weekend

Player comparisons are usually not welcome on the General Board. That's what the Player Comparison board is for.

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[Enso]

The red font is questioning why he wasn’t able to be more efficient with them despite being the better overall offensive player than Bam. Shouldn’t he have been far more efficient next to 2 elite passers like that? Seems like he didn’t use his skills to the best of his ability. If Bam played with LeBron and Wade I bet his efficiency would jump.

From what we saw from Heat tenure Bosh to Bam according to the amount of shots they were assisted on Bam gets more buckets by himself than Bosh did.

Eye test would tell you Herro has more scoring tools than Bam but in isolation scoring he’s far, far worse than Bam. If I had to guess I would hope Boshs are slightly better than a Bams

Are you talking about field goal percentage? or being a better scorer like more points per game? or more tools in his offensive arsenal.
no one is arguing Bam is a better well rounded scorer than Bosh,although Bosh couldn’t take advantage of that in the big 3 era for whatever reason
this right here is what got me confused, thought we were discussing Bosh was a well more rounded basketball player.

I’m talking overall scoring efficiency and True Shooting %. Bosh scored less points on more shot attempts on worse efficiency. I’m saying you would think since he’s a more well rounded scorer, not player, that he would be able to find ways to score more efficiently especially considering the attention LeBron and Wade draw and the fact they’re elite passers.

Looking at Bosh's stats now he took way more shots from 16ft out. Just between 16ft and the 3pt line was about 1/3 of his shots. and towards the second half of his stint about .250 % of his shots were 3 pointers. Makes sense that he was gonna be less efficient.

[Heat_Down_Under]

Majority of Bams attempts come within 5 feet, he’s getting exactly where he wants. Idk what point you’re trying to make here, Bam wants the jump shots, layups, floaters, etc in the paint. He’s made that an area he dominates. Giannis does not want to shoot 20 foot jumpers so if 15 of his 20 shot attempts are 20 foot jumpers he’s not getting where he wants to go or in other words the defense is shutting it down

Just trying to wrap my head around the whole bam is better than bosh offensively argeuement. The point I’m trying to make is bosh could do it all offensively.. If bam wants to take the shots he does and make them all that’s fine.. just don’t see how that makes him a more better offensive player than bosh..bam could be number 1 every year in the points in the paint stat with his shot selection and Noone around the league is going to say bam is a better offensive player than giannis etc..

Bosh has a more well rounded offensive game than Bam but in a similar role it didn’t count for much. I’m shocked looking back at his numbers and seeing he wasn’t as efficient as I had thought

At the end of the day 3ammy don’t care what the others are saying in other threads or which others your having a go at.. you wanted a peaceful discussion in this thread so that’s what I’ve done.. as I said the comparison is no comparison and the stats don’t mean anything. A more fair comparison would have been vs bosh’s playing years in Toronto, because you’re comparing to heat bosh that went from having a killer extinct being first option but had to defer to 3rd option. That can take a toll on a player mentally and with their playing style. Same thing with Wade who in 2009 was arguably the best form of Wade, a natural born killer, who’s stats also took a dip with the big 3. I’m yet to see bam have a killer instinct and be that number 1 guy whether on the heat or another team. Bosh would have been the number 1 on option on most teams if he didn’t join the big 3. Can we say that about bam? Most likely not.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Are you talking about field goal percentage? or being a better scorer like more points per game? or more tools in his offensive arsenal.
no one is arguing Bam is a better well rounded scorer than Bosh,although Bosh couldn’t take advantage of that in the big 3 era for whatever reason
this right here is what got me confused, thought we were discussing Bosh was a well more rounded basketball player.

I’m talking overall scoring efficiency and True Shooting %. Bosh scored less points on more shot attempts on worse efficiency. I’m saying you would think since he’s a more well rounded scorer, not player, that he would be able to find ways to score more efficiently especially considering the attention LeBron and Wade draw and the fact they’re elite passers.

Looking at Bosh's stats now he took way more shots from 16ft out. Just between 16ft and the 3pt line was about 1/3 of his shots. and towards the second half of his stint about .250 % of his shots were 3 pointers. Makes sense that he was gonna be less efficient.

That’s hopefully the next step for Bams game. Not necessarily the deep 2 but the 3s. I don’t care about the deep mid range, those should just be bail out shots tbh

[Pokuokic]

If you are looking for a 1/2 option with above average D you go Bosh, if you are looking for a 3rd option with elite defense you go Bam. Bosh' ability to stretch the floor/size and create his own shot imo give him the edge between the 2 but there would be some teams where Bam would help more.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Just trying to wrap my head around the whole bam is better than bosh offensively argeuement. The point I’m trying to make is bosh could do it all offensively.. If bam wants to take the shots he does and make them all that’s fine.. just don’t see how that makes him a more better offensive player than bosh..bam could be number 1 every year in the points in the paint stat with his shot selection and Noone around the league is going to say bam is a better offensive player than giannis etc..

Bosh has a more well rounded offensive game than Bam but in a similar role it didn’t count for much. I’m shocked looking back at his numbers and seeing he wasn’t as efficient as I had thought

At the end of the day 3ammy don’t care what the others are saying in other threads or which others your having a go at.. you wanted a peaceful discussion in this thread so that’s what I’ve done.. as I said the comparison is no comparison and the stats don’t mean anything. A more fair comparison would have been vs bosh’s playing years in Toronto, because you’re comparing to heat bosh that went from having a killer extinct being first option but had to defer to 3rd option. That can take a toll on a player mentally and with their playing style. Same thing with Wade who in 2009 was arguably the best form of Wade, a natural born killer, who’s stats also took a dip with the big 3. I’m yet to see bam have a killer instinct and be that number 1 guy whether on the heat or another team. Bosh would have been the number 1 on option on most teams if he didn’t join the big 3. Can we say that about bam? Most likely not.

“The comparison is no comparison and the stats mean nothing” ok lmao! I appreciate you trying at least and being civil but this is the type of stuff you say when you have no real argument that can be backed by anything.

Toronto Bosh would not be the better comparison because the literal whole point of the discussion is comparing Miami Bosh to Bam as a starter because they are in basically the exact same roles when comparing shot attempts and usage rate as a 3rd option. I don’t understand how that’s causing confusion among some. We have never seen Bam in a first option role so we can’t compare. All we can do is point to his numbers minus Jimmy at 24-11-4 but that’s a small sample size therefore that wasn’t the topic

[3ammy3uck3ts]

If you are looking for a 1/2 option with above average D you go Bosh, if you are looking for a 3rd option with elite defense you go Bam. Bosh' ability to stretch the floor/size and create his own shot imo give him the edge between the 2 but there would be some teams where Bam would help more.

Pretty solid point we haven’t seen Bam in that role so they’re just no way of comparing it. Both as a 3rd option Bam has been the clear cut winner there but Bosh may be better suited at this point to be your 1st/2nd option while Bam is still developing and has the data to back it

[Heat_Down_Under]

Bosh has a more well rounded offensive game than Bam but in a similar role it didn’t count for much. I’m shocked looking back at his numbers and seeing he wasn’t as efficient as I had thought

At the end of the day 3ammy don’t care what the others are saying in other threads or which others your having a go at.. you wanted a peaceful discussion in this thread so that’s what I’ve done.. as I said the comparison is no comparison and the stats don’t mean anything. A more fair comparison would have been vs bosh’s playing years in Toronto, because you’re comparing to heat bosh that went from having a killer extinct being first option but had to defer to 3rd option. That can take a toll on a player mentally and with their playing style. Same thing with Wade who in 2009 was arguably the best form of Wade, a natural born killer, who’s stats also took a dip with the big 3. I’m yet to see bam have a killer instinct and be that number 1 guy whether on the heat or another team. Bosh would have been the number 1 on option on most teams if he didn’t join the big 3. Can we say that about bam? Most likely not.

“The comparison is no comparison and the stats mean nothing” ok lmao! I appreciate you trying at least and being civil but this is the type of stuff you say when you have no real argument that can be backed by anything.

Toronto Bosh would not be the better comparison because the literal whole point of the discussion is comparing Miami Bosh to Bam as a starter because they are in basically the exact same roles when comparing shot attempts and usage rate as a 3rd option. I don’t understand how that’s causing confusion among some. We have never seen Bam in a first option role so we can’t compare. All we can do is point to his numbers minus Jimmy at 24-11-4 but that’s a small sample size therefore that wasn’t the topic

And we never will lol… why don’t I have a real arguement? Because you’re comparing apples to oranges? Your arguement would only make sense if James never came and it was only Wade and bosh and bosh was second option. Bosh’s stats would be way different.. Just like bam is second option now.. oh wait that’s not the case coz bam like you said is behind “Herro” as a scoring option lol..

how about let’s see bam be the first option on this team or any other team and then you bring up this arguement then..

What’s next comparing bam to shaqs heat tenure? Because he was second option to Wade

[Heat_Down_Under]

But it’s ok I get it.. you know your fav player can’t beat bosh straight up in a debate so you gotta nitpick at bosh’s career when his role was totally different and brush off the debate as when they played “similar roles” knowing one was a beast as first option and took a back seat here vs the other who is the best he can ever be and never a first option..

[3ammy3uck3ts]

At the end of the day 3ammy don’t care what the others are saying in other threads or which others your having a go at.. you wanted a peaceful discussion in this thread so that’s what I’ve done.. as I said the comparison is no comparison and the stats don’t mean anything. A more fair comparison would have been vs bosh’s playing years in Toronto, because you’re comparing to heat bosh that went from having a killer extinct being first option but had to defer to 3rd option. That can take a toll on a player mentally and with their playing style. Same thing with Wade who in 2009 was arguably the best form of Wade, a natural born killer, who’s stats also took a dip with the big 3. I’m yet to see bam have a killer instinct and be that number 1 guy whether on the heat or another team. Bosh would have been the number 1 on option on most teams if he didn’t join the big 3. Can we say that about bam? Most likely not.

“The comparison is no comparison and the stats mean nothing” ok lmao! I appreciate you trying at least and being civil but this is the type of stuff you say when you have no real argument that can be backed by anything.

Toronto Bosh would not be the better comparison because the literal whole point of the discussion is comparing Miami Bosh to Bam as a starter because they are in basically the exact same roles when comparing shot attempts and usage rate as a 3rd option. I don’t understand how that’s causing confusion among some. We have never seen Bam in a first option role so we can’t compare. All we can do is point to his numbers minus Jimmy at 24-11-4 but that’s a small sample size therefore that wasn’t the topic

And we never will lol… why don’t I have a real arguement? Because you’re comparing apples to oranges? Your arguement would only make sense if James never came and it was only Wade and bosh and bosh was second option. Bosh’s stats would be way different.. Just like bam is second option now.. oh wait that’s not the case coz bam like you said is behind “Herro” as a scoring option lol..

how about let’s see bam be the first option on this team or any other team and then you bring up this arguement then..

What’s next comparing bam to shaqs heat tenure? Because he was second option to Wade

Bam is the 3rd option, herro takes the most shots on the team by quite a bit. We saw Bosh as the 2nd option post but 3 era and it wasn’t as good as the seasons Bam has put up as a starter. Literally all this info is out there for you, take a second and do some research.

As long as Bam stays in Miami he’s going to pass Shaqs tenure, yes.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

But it’s ok I get it.. you know your fav player can’t beat bosh straight up in a debate so you gotta nitpick at bosh’s career when his role was totally different and brush off the debate as when they played “similar roles” knowing one was a beast as first option and took a back seat here vs the other who is the best he can ever be and never a first option..

You don’t get it because you’re not even able to come up with any sort of argument and back it with anything of substance.

It’s actually the fact that you all know you can’t do you get so upset and start posting **** like this, the grasping for straws is literally amazing. Bosh was a beast first option or was he putting up empty numbers on bad teams because he made the playoffs twice prior to Miami and they were quick first round exits lol.

Please build a legit argument and back your claims with facts and statistics or just don’t throw your hat in the ring brother. At least you have a few Bam haters that can cling on and troll along to make it seem like you all are in the right but again, not a single person has even attempted to build a good argument because we’ll……there isn’t one

[Heat_Down_Under]

“The comparison is no comparison and the stats mean nothing” ok lmao! I appreciate you trying at least and being civil but this is the type of stuff you say when you have no real argument that can be backed by anything.

Toronto Bosh would not be the better comparison because the literal whole point of the discussion is comparing Miami Bosh to Bam as a starter because they are in basically the exact same roles when comparing shot attempts and usage rate as a 3rd option. I don’t understand how that’s causing confusion among some. We have never seen Bam in a first option role so we can’t compare. All we can do is point to his numbers minus Jimmy at 24-11-4 but that’s a small sample size therefore that wasn’t the topic

And we never will lol… why don’t I have a real arguement? Because you’re comparing apples to oranges? Your arguement would only make sense if James never came and it was only Wade and bosh and bosh was second option. Bosh’s stats would be way different.. Just like bam is second option now.. oh wait that’s not the case coz bam like you said is behind “Herro” as a scoring option lol..

how about let’s see bam be the first option on this team or any other team and then you bring up this arguement then..

What’s next comparing bam to shaqs heat tenure? Because he was second option to Wade

Bam is the 3rd option, herro takes the most shots on the team by quite a bit. We saw Bosh as the 2nd option post but 3 era and it wasn’t as good as the seasons Bam has put up as a starter. Literally all this info is out there for you, take a second and do some research.

As long as Bam stays in Miami he’s going to pass Shaqs tenure, yes.

Lol it’s cringe to even compare bam to bosh’s post big 3 era seasons as he already had the blood clots and was injured aswell those last 2 seasons and missed a chunk of games… but whatever helps your agenda..

[3ammy3uck3ts]

And we never will lol… why don’t I have a real arguement? Because you’re comparing apples to oranges? Your arguement would only make sense if James never came and it was only Wade and bosh and bosh was second option. Bosh’s stats would be way different.. Just like bam is second option now.. oh wait that’s not the case coz bam like you said is behind “Herro” as a scoring option lol..

how about let’s see bam be the first option on this team or any other team and then you bring up this arguement then..

What’s next comparing bam to shaqs heat tenure? Because he was second option to Wade

Bam is the 3rd option, herro takes the most shots on the team by quite a bit. We saw Bosh as the 2nd option post but 3 era and it wasn’t as good as the seasons Bam has put up as a starter. Literally all this info is out there for you, take a second and do some research.

As long as Bam stays in Miami he’s going to pass Shaqs tenure, yes.

Lol it’s cringe to even compare bam to bosh’s post big 3 era seasons as he already had the blood clots and was injured aswell those last 2 seasons and missed a chunk of games… but whatever helps your agenda..

Dude missed like 7 games the entire season before sitting out due to blood clots his first season so that had literally no effect on his game lol. It’s not an agenda, it’s a fact that you clearly can’t debunk. If anything just be pretty close because you literally haven’t been able to come up with anything and back it up

[Heat_Down_Under]

But it’s ok I get it.. you know your fav player can’t beat bosh straight up in a debate so you gotta nitpick at bosh’s career when his role was totally different and brush off the debate as when they played “similar roles” knowing one was a beast as first option and took a back seat here vs the other who is the best he can ever be and never a first option..

You don’t get it because you’re not even able to come up with any sort of argument and back it with anything of substance.

It’s actually the fact that you all know you can’t do you get so upset and start posting **** like this, the grasping for straws is literally amazing. Bosh was a beast first option or was he putting up empty numbers on bad teams because he made the playoffs twice prior to Miami and they were quick first round exits lol.

Please build a legit argument and back your claims with facts and statistics or just don’t throw your hat in the ring brother. At least you have a few Bam haters that can cling on and troll along to make it seem like you all are in the right but again, not a single person has even attempted to build a good argument because we’ll……there isn’t one

Comparing bam to bosh’s (heat tenure) is clutching for straws brother.. as you said yourself bam was never the first option on any team hence this is the only arguement you can come up with lol..

LMAO so now bosh was just a stat padder in Toronto? I guarantee you if i made a post on who anyone would prefer on their team, 25 year old bam or 25 year old raptors bosh, majority would say bosh and you would still think we are all wrong..

Post this thread on the general board as suggested by others and see the replies you get.. if we are all bam haters and trollers surely you will get fair and honest replies from third party fans… plus you got all the time/freedom as you say, to reply to them all brother

And if making another thread on bam was better than heat Shaq makes you feel better then go for it lol

[Heat_Down_Under]

Bam is the 3rd option, herro takes the most shots on the team by quite a bit. We saw Bosh as the 2nd option post but 3 era and it wasn’t as good as the seasons Bam has put up as a starter. Literally all this info is out there for you, take a second and do some research.

As long as Bam stays in Miami he’s going to pass Shaqs tenure, yes.

Lol it’s cringe to even compare bam to bosh’s post big 3 era seasons as he already had the blood clots and was injured aswell those last 2 seasons and missed a chunk of games… but whatever helps your agenda..

Dude missed like 7 games the entire season before sitting out due to blood clots his first season so that had literally no effect on his game lol. It’s not an agenda, it’s a fact that you clearly can’t debunk. If anything just be pretty close because you literally haven’t been able to come up with anything and back it up

LMAO do some research before you make a claim.. bosh played 44 games in first season (post big 3 era) and played 53 in the second one

[3ammy3uck3ts]

But it’s ok I get it.. you know your fav player can’t beat bosh straight up in a debate so you gotta nitpick at bosh’s career when his role was totally different and brush off the debate as when they played “similar roles” knowing one was a beast as first option and took a back seat here vs the other who is the best he can ever be and never a first option..

You don’t get it because you’re not even able to come up with any sort of argument and back it with anything of substance.

It’s actually the fact that you all know you can’t do you get so upset and start posting **** like this, the grasping for straws is literally amazing. Bosh was a beast first option or was he putting up empty numbers on bad teams because he made the playoffs twice prior to Miami and they were quick first round exits lol.

Please build a legit argument and back your claims with facts and statistics or just don’t throw your hat in the ring brother. At least you have a few Bam haters that can cling on and troll along to make it seem like you all are in the right but again, not a single person has even attempted to build a good argument because we’ll……there isn’t one

Comparing bam to bosh’s (heat tenure) is clutching for straws brother.. as you said yourself bam was never the first option on any team hence this is the only arguement you can come up with lol..

LMAO so now bosh was just a stat padder in Toronto? I guarantee you if i made a post on who anyone would prefer on their team, 25 year old bam or 25 year old raptors bosh, majority would say bosh and you would still think we are all wrong..

Post this thread on the general board as suggested by others and see the replies you get.. if we are all bam haters and trollers surely you will get fair and honest replies from third party fans… plus you got all the time/freedom as you say, to reply to them all brother

And if making another thread on bam was better than heat Shaq makes you feel better then go for it lol

What’s funny is if the guy who said Jimmy was better than Wade made a thread like this I could easily debunk it and be able to back it with these exact same arguments built for Bam and you all would eat that **** up lol

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Lol it’s cringe to even compare bam to bosh’s post big 3 era seasons as he already had the blood clots and was injured aswell those last 2 seasons and missed a chunk of games… but whatever helps your agenda..

Dude missed like 7 games the entire season before sitting out due to blood clots his first season so that had literally no effect on his game lol. It’s not an agenda, it’s a fact that you clearly can’t debunk. If anything just be pretty close because you literally haven’t been able to come up with anything and back it up

LMAO do some research before you make a claim.. bosh played 44 games in first season (post big 3 era) and played 53 in the second one

You’re right, he missed 8 games not 7 PRIOR to finding out he had the blood clots that had no effect on his game PRIOR to shutting it down for the remainder of the season.

My bad for being off 1 game, work on your reading comprehension if you think I was saying he only missed 7 games for the entire season

[Heat_Down_Under]

Dude missed like 7 games the entire season before sitting out due to blood clots his first season so that had literally no effect on his game lol. It’s not an agenda, it’s a fact that you clearly can’t debunk. If anything just be pretty close because you literally haven’t been able to come up with anything and back it up

LMAO do some research before you make a claim.. bosh played 44 games in first season (post big 3 era) and played 53 in the second one

You’re right, he missed 8 games not 7 PRIOR to finding out he had the blood clots that had no effect on his game PRIOR to shutting it down for the remainder of the season.

My bad for being off 1 game, work on your reading comprehension if you think I was saying he only missed 7 games for the entire season

LMAO this is comical.. how many games did he miss all season both those seasons? let me repost what I said so you can read it again and check your own reading skills…

“Lol it’s cringe to even compare bam to bosh’s post big 3 era seasons as he already had the blood clots and was injured aswell those last 2 seasons and missed a chunk of games… but whatever helps your agenda..”

Where do I say that bosh’s game was affected when he was playing? I’m talking about chunks of games he didn’t play..

[contract]

And we never will lol…

You make it sound like Bosh was the clear #1 option in Toronto because he was so great. Bosh was the clear #1 because there were no other scorers on the Raptors. At this point I have to assume that people are confused because they want to be. Pretending to not understand allows them to keep repeating things that have been disproved over and over again.

The Raptors leaders in shot attempts year by year during Bosh's time there:

'03-'40: Bosh's rookie season

Vince Carter: 20 fga per game
Jalen Rose: 15
Donyell Marshall: 13.4
Chris Bosh: 9.5 ... Bosh averaged 11.5 ppg

'04-'05:

Vince Carter: 15.1
Jalen Rose: 14.3
Chris Bosh: 12.4 ... averaging 16.8 ppg
Rafer Alston: 12.2
Morris Peterson: 10.3

'05-'06: Bosh becomes the ~ #1 option

Chris Bosh: 15.5 fga per game ... averaged 22.5 ppg
Mike James: 15.5
Morris Peterson: 13.4
Charlie Villanueva: 11.6

'06-'07: Bosh becomes the unquestioned #1 option

Chris Bosh: 15.9 fga ... 22.6 ppg
TJ Ford: 12
Andrea Bargnani: 9.6
Anthony Parker: 9.4

'07-'08:

Chris Bosh: 15.3 fga ... 22.3 ppg
TJ Ford: 10.3
Anthony Parker: 10.1
Andrea Bargnani: 9.3

'08-'09:

Chris Bosh: 16.4 fga ... 22.7 ppg
Shawn Marion: 12.7 <--- 27 games
Andrea Bargnani: 12.3
Jermaine O'Neal: 11.3 <--- 41 games

"09-'10: Bosh's last season in Toronto

Chris Bosh: 16.5 fga ... 24.0 ppg
Andrea Bargnani: 14.3
Hedo Turkoglu: 9.1
Jose Calderon: 8.4


After Vince Carter left, Bosh had no real competition for shots. If your next best options are Mike James, TJ Ford, and Andrea Bargnani, you're going to get the ball to Bosh. You'd get the ball to Bam too.