NBA Games Discussion Thread - Part 5

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What are the chances the 3 2nd round picks total 29 points over the course of their entire careers with the Wiz. Isuf Sanon and Yannick Nzosa need to know.

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What are the chances the 3 2nd round picks total 29 points over the course of their entire careers with the Wiz. Isuf Sanon and Yannick Nzosa need to know.

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i was suspicious that he was writing these himself w the star wars references and would offer him the benefit of the doubt but there's no way he came up w Tyler Guitar Hero on his own.

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i was suspicious that he was writing these himself w the star wars references and would offer him the benefit of the doubt but there's no way he came up w Tyler Guitar Hero on his own.

Really because Harden pardon you can have a garden sounds dumb enough to be his own work

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Celtics-Hawks game, Atanta's bench went 13-14 in the first half, including 7-7 on 3's.

33 points on 14 shots!
No wonder Atlanta is ahead.

[Jay81]

The knicks weee a mid build team. But much better gm to do it

[FAH1223]

The knicks weee a mid build team. But much better gm to do it

Knicks were 35-47 last year.

Brunson is a difference maker. Quickley growing up also helped.

Thibs also won’t play you if you can’t defend.

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Lawd, compare Jalen Brunson's 4-year $104M deal to Brad Beal for value, the Knicks getting Thib's and Brunson has been a real blessing for Knicks fans. Also, the Mavs could have extended Brunson for 4-year $55M and declined

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The knicks weee a mid build team. But much better gm to do it

Knicks were 35-47 last year.

Brunson is a difference maker. Quickley growing up also helped. ...

Actually, they were 37-45 last year. & the year before that they were 41-31.

Brunson has been good to be sure. But, you are missing the true difference maker.

On February 10, NY lost to Philly, taking their record to 30-27.

The following day, Josh Hart played his first game in a Knicks uniform: they won -- & finished the season 17-8.

There's your difference maker: Josh Hart.

[DCZards]

The knicks weee a mid build team. But much better gm to do it

Knicks were 35-47 last year.

Brunson is a difference maker. Quickley growing up also helped. ...

Actually, they were 37-45 last year. & the year before that they were 41-31.

Brunson has been good to be sure. But, you are missing the true difference maker.

On February 10, NY lost to Philly, taking their record to 30-27.

The following day, Josh Hart played his first game in a Knicks uniform: they won -- & finished the season 17-8.

There's your difference maker: Josh Hart.

PIF you’re often wrong….but this time you’re really wrong.

Picking up Hart was great. Josh has played well and has helped NY win games. No doubt about that. But you don’t get that 17-8 record without Brunson already being on the roster when Hart arrived. No doubt about that either, imo.

Brunson is easily the biggest difference maker for the Knicks this season. He’s an outstanding player and oncourt leader.

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Here is a recent article about Thibs and their success this season, here is one of the nuggets:

Thibodeau’s best adjustment this season was narrowing the rotation to nine players while cutting out veterans Evan Fournier and Derrick Rose. He’s also overseen the steep development climbs of Immanuel Quickley and Mitchell Robinson.

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/ny-tom-thibodeau-winningest-coach-20230404-ztu277ggnjgwhluam4vg25n6wm-story.html

[nate33]

The knicks weee a mid build team. But much better gm to do it

Knicks were 35-47 last year.

Brunson is a difference maker. Quickley growing up also helped. ...

Actually, they were 37-45 last year. & the year before that they were 41-31.

Brunson has been good to be sure. But, you are missing the true difference maker.

On February 10, NY lost to Philly, taking their record to 30-27.

The following day, Josh Hart played his first game in a Knicks uniform: they won -- & finished the season 17-8.

There's your difference maker: Josh Hart.

The Knicks had already gone on a 20-14 stretch before the addition of Hart.

I think an easier way to describe their season is that they simply had a slow start, going 10-13 in their first 23 games. Since then, they went 37-22, which is a 51-win pace.

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Knicks were 35-47 last year.

Brunson is a difference maker. Quickley growing up also helped. ...

Actually, they were 37-45 last year. & the year before that they were 41-31.

Brunson has been good to be sure. But, you are missing the true difference maker.

On February 10, NY lost to Philly, taking their record to 30-27.

The following day, Josh Hart played his first game in a Knicks uniform: they won -- & finished the season 17-8.

There's your difference maker: Josh Hart.

PIF you’re often wrong….but this time you’re really wrong.

Picking up Hart was great. Josh has played well and has helped NY win games. No doubt about that. But you don’t get that 17-8 record without Brunson already being on the roster when Hart arrived. No doubt about that either, imo.

Brunson is easily the biggest difference maker for the Knicks this season. He’s an outstanding player and oncourt leader.

I'm often really wrong, Zards. How could I not be? I'm human!

Brunson has been terrific, to be sure. &, absolutely, you don't go 17-8 without the season he's having.

Or, for that matter, w/o the season your guy Mitchell Robinson is having as a defender & on the offensive boards where he's averaging close to 7 per 40 minutes.

& Quickley counts too -- he just gets better & better every year.

All the same, what can I say? They were 30-27 when Hart arrived, & all of a sudden they go 17-8. That's a difference that's hard to miss!

Maybe you haven't looked at what Hart is doing in a Knicks uni: first off, he's a 2-3 who is posting a .703 TS% -- not to mention that he has as many offensive boards as he has missed shots! So it's like he never misses! I've never seen anything quite like him.

Not to mention that he basically won the first playoff game vs. the Cavs single-handedly by going 8-11 from the floor & grabbing 5 offensive rebounds.

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The Knicks had already gone on a 20-14 stretch before the addition of Hart....

Fair enough. That's a .588 winning %. Really good.

Then Hart arrived & they played the rest of the season at a .68 winning %.

I think an easier way to describe their season is that they simply had a slow start, going 10-13 in their first 23 games. Since then, they went 37-22, which is a 51-win pace.

Yep. Leave out the slow start, & before Hart arrived they went 20-14 -- a 48-win pace.

Then Hart arrived, & they went 17-8 -- a 56-win pace.

It's always interesting who it is acceptable to call "a difference maker."

If they'd gone 20-14 & then traded for oh... let's say Kristaps Porzingis, & proceeded to close the season 17-8, people would be crowing about KP's effect.

[GoneShammGone]

Maybe you haven't looked at what Hart is doing in a Knicks uni: first off, he's a 2-3 who is posting a .703 TS% -- not to mention that he has as many offensive boards as he has missed shots! So it's like he never misses! I've never seen anything quite like him.

This stat sounds crazy.... I had to look it up. Unfortunately, it turns out to be not accurate... https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hartjo01.html

Maybe you were looking at three pointers missed? Pretty amazing that he is shooting so well from three. That looks like the one thing in his Knicks stats that is out of line with his career norms. Still, he's a great player. He was picked 30th in the 2017 draft---the same year we had no pick cause Ernie had to dump Andrew Nicholson on the Nets...

As for guys who grab more offensive boards than missed shots... it actually turns out to not that uncommon for big men. For instance check out https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2023_totals.html#totals_stats::fg_pct and you will find quite a few. Nick Claxton actually did it this season on 587 FGA! And our own Daniel Gafford has done it all three years he's been with the Wizards. But still looks like its pretty dang rare for a non-center to do it. Somebody who pays for the "stathead" package can probably run a search and see.

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Maybe you haven't looked at what Hart is doing in a Knicks uni: first off, he's a 2-3 who is posting a .703 TS% -- not to mention that he has as many offensive boards as he has missed shots! So it's like he never misses! I've never seen anything quite like him.

This stat sounds crazy.... I had to look it up. Unfortunately, it turns out to be not accurate... https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hartjo01.html

You're right. Per 36 on the Knicks he missed 3.2 shots in total & only got 2.3 offensive boards. So, yes, it's like every 36 minutes he misses .9 of a shot.

Maybe you were looking at three pointers missed?

I think I used his efg% by mistake is all.

As for guys who grab more offensive boards than missed shots... it actually turns out to not that uncommon for big men.... But still looks like its pretty dang rare for a non-center to do it.

Right -- & he's not just a non-center; he plays half his minutes at the 2 & the other half at the 3.

His numbers with the Knicks are absolutely amazing. Best on the team overall -- by a fair amount.

Which takes nothing away from the outstanding season Brunson is having. Or Robinson or Quickley. Grimes & Hartenstein have been really good too! Ditto Randle.

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Love watching Westbrook when he's on his game!

[dobrojim]

Watching Mil@Mia game 3

Richard Jefferson keeps saying Lowry is a future HoFer

Not in my book. Anyone care to comment?