[Thinking Basketball] Is Jarred Vanderbilt the modern Rodman?

[brutalitops]

According to some Lakers stans (Memories for ex) he's a max eligible player

Take it for what it's worth

certainly not worth the max

[magee]

Rodman was one of the greatest post defenders and rebounders in NBA history. I really like Vanderbilt, don't get me wrong, but **** are these hot take type videos just clickbait. Ugh.

I get comparisons if players show flashes of someone who's played the game before, but we are talking about someone who's never made an All-Star team, All-NBA Defense Team or led the league in rebounds compared to Dennis Rodman, a **** Hall of Famer.

Tyus Jones has led the league in Assist-to-Turnover ratio for a couple years. He's John Stockton 2.0, everyone! They both get assists and protect the ball!

[Wallace_Wallace]

Rodman was one of the greatest post defenders and rebounders in NBA history. I really like Vanderbilt, don't get me wrong, but **** are these hot take type videos just clickbait. Ugh.

I get comparisons if players show flashes of someone who's played the game before, but we are talking about someone who's never made an All-Star team, All-NBA Defense Team or led the league in rebounds compared to Dennis Rodman, a **** Hall of Famer.

Tyus Jones has led the league in Assist-to-Turnover ratio for a couple years. He's John Stockton 2.0, everyone! They both get assists and protect the ball!

Not to mention, Dennis Rodman is a workhorse (battling for 40+ minutes and then hop on a cardio machine for another hour postgame just because). Accomplishments/stats aside, has Jarred Vanderbilt ever displayed any type of alien like training?

[TrueFan420]

This is a joke right?

Laker fans… you be the judge

[WillyJakkz]

OP. Do you still think this guy is a modern day Dennis Rodman lol

[og15]

Rodman was one of the greatest post defenders and rebounders in NBA history. I really like Vanderbilt, don't get me wrong, but **** are these hot take type videos just clickbait. Ugh.

I get comparisons if players show flashes of someone who's played the game before, but we are talking about someone who's never made an All-Star team, All-NBA Defense Team or led the league in rebounds compared to Dennis Rodman, a **** Hall of Famer.

Tyus Jones has led the league in Assist-to-Turnover ratio for a couple years. He's John Stockton 2.0, everyone! They both get assists and protect the ball!

I'm assuming the reason "modern day" is used is because the video maker is acknowledging that the prized defensive skills for today are different than in Rodman's day. Man to man post defense is not as sought after because there is less focus on post scoring, while defensive versatility, ability to switch and defend in space is more valued.

So modern day is probably saying that this is the type of defender that a Rodman type would or could be in the current NBA, the multiple position guy who rebounds and is energetic on the floor.

Vanderbilt of course has not found a way to get teams to keep him in the floor for starters minutes, but of course Vanderbilt is also younger than rookie Rodman, and Rodman (on a good team) played 24.4 mpg his first 4 seasons (25-28 years old) averaging 9 ppg/8rpg, and his rebound rate didn't become the legendary level until he was 30 years old. Vanderbilt so far in his career (ages 19-23) has had a 17.3% TRB%. Rodman was at 17.5% his first two seasons at 25 and 26 years old.

I'm not suggesting Vanderbilt will become what Rodman was, but what Rodman is known for as a rebounder and even all he became known for defensively didn't fully surface until he was 30 years and older, so technically, Vanderbilt still has 7 years .

Anyways, I think people always try to overanalyze when comparisons are made and need it to be almost exact, but comparisons many times are just to give people a reference point of how to think about the player.

[GSWFan1994]

OP. Do you still think this guy is a modern day Dennis Rodman lol

I don't, never did.

Don't shoot me, I'm just the messenger!

[dautjazz]

Vanderbilt isnt close to a DPOY and he's not a top rebounder either, so the comparison is quite terrible.

[Snakebites]

The video makes it really clear that he’s not comparing their impact- just certain overall characteristics.

And yeah, Rodman was never as young in the NBA as Vanderbilt is.

Not sure everyone watched it.

[collidingNeurons]

Vanderbilt is a really good role player and one I wanted on the Suns, but as far as impact he isn't close to Rodman, Rodman could change and dominate games just with rebounding and defense without ever taking a shot, till Vanderbilt starts leading the league in rebounding and consistently putting up 15 to 20 rebound games all the while playing 35 minutes a game guarding the opposing teams best offensive player there's little to compare other than the hustle and limited offensive ability

[hippesthippo]

Plays on Timberwolves = Roleplayer

Plays on Lakers = Modern Dennis Rodman.


Good defender though, but ya'll for real?

Ben was high about him before he went to the Lakers.

A lot of us on the boards have been high on Vanderbilt for a while. Trading him for Gobert was monumentally stupid. He's a far better fit next to Kat, great value contract, and doesn't cost 5 picks.

The only way that trade makes sense is if they plan on trading KAT and building around an Antman/Gobert combo.

Back on topic, no. They look and play similarly on defense, but that's where the comparison stops. Vanderbilt is already a more effective player on offense and I highly doubt he's going to make the same leap as Rodman and suddenly transform into a rebounding savant.

[liquidswords]

Plays on Timberwolves = Roleplayer

Plays on Lakers = Modern Dennis Rodman.


Good defender though, but ya'll for real?

Ben was high about him before he went to the Lakers.

A lot of us on the boards have been high on Vanderbilt for a while. Trading him for Gobert was monumentally stupid. He's a far better fit next to Kat, great value contract, and doesn't cost 5 picks.

The only way that trade makes sense is if they plan on trading KAT and building around an Antman/Gobert combo.

Back on topic, no. They look and play similarly on defense, but that's where the comparison stops. Vanderbilt is already a more effective player on offense and I highly doubt he's going to make the same leap as Rodman and suddenly transform into a rebounding savant.

I'm sorry - what? Vanderbilt has been unplayable late in games. He doesn't finish games because he's a negative offensively.

I've seemed to zero in on this player since the trade deadline because of the hype of being this extraordinary role player. Living in Socal, I've caught almost every Laker game since the deadline and this guy is one of the most overrated players in the league. I said it in another thread: one of the most proposterously overrated defensive players. He takes a lot of risks on the defensive end that puts him out of position. He's not consistent in keeping him man in front of him and he gets perpetually bullied if he's guarding bigger players. What am I missing that people on this board are seeing? Like I said, the guy has been deemed unplayable down the stretch of games because he contributes nothing offensively (and probably something to his defense lacking)

[SleepingDragon]

Jarred Vanderbilt is more like Michael Cooper.

Draymond Green is the modern day Rodman.

[Snakebites]

Jarred Vanderbilt is more like Michael Cooper.

Draymond Green is the modern day Rodman.

Really? I don’t think those two are similar defensively.

[Clav]

I watched the video and I see the comparison, but can't agree.

Vanderbilt is a good player no doubt and he seems to be a solid cog that make teams work well [okay some of the LAL games/appearances have dinged this up]. But he's an all-court player, good rebounder and multi positional defender. He is a scoring opportunist, much like Rodman was, so that's kind of on the same wavelength. I think the comparison stops there..

Rodman was a bulldog getting boards and just a menace. Once The Worm averaged double-digit rebounds, he continued that trend until retiring. Pretty damn impressive. Vando isn't doing that, or ever getting to 12RPG for a season even one time in his career, past or future.

[hippesthippo]

Rodman was one of the greatest post defenders and rebounders in NBA history. I really like Vanderbilt, don't get me wrong, but **** are these hot take type videos just clickbait. Ugh.

I get comparisons if players show flashes of someone who's played the game before, but we are talking about someone who's never made an All-Star team, All-NBA Defense Team or led the league in rebounds compared to Dennis Rodman, a **** Hall of Famer.

Tyus Jones has led the league in Assist-to-Turnover ratio for a couple years. He's John Stockton 2.0, everyone! They both get assists and protect the ball!

I'm assuming the reason "modern day" is used is because the video maker is acknowledging that the prized defensive skills for today are different than in Rodman's day. Man to man post defense is not as sought after because there is less focus on post scoring, while defensive versatility, ability to switch and defend in space is more valued.

So modern day is probably saying that this is the type of defender that a Rodman type would or could be in the current NBA, the multiple position guy who rebounds and is energetic on the floor.

Vanderbilt of course has not found a way to get teams to keep him in the floor for starters minutes, but of course Vanderbilt is also younger than rookie Rodman, and Rodman (on a good team) played 24.4 mpg his first 4 seasons (25-28 years old) averaging 9 ppg/8rpg, and his rebound rate didn't become the legendary level until he was 30 years old. Vanderbilt so far in his career (ages 19-23) has had a 17.3% TRB%. Rodman was at 17.5% his first two seasons at 25 and 26 years old.

I'm not suggesting Vanderbilt will become what Rodman was, but what Rodman is known for as a rebounder and even all he became known for defensively didn't fully surface until he was 30 years and older, so technically, Vanderbilt still has 7 years .

Anyways, I think people always try to overanalyze when comparisons are made and need it to be almost exact, but comparisons many times are just to give people a reference point of how to think about the player.

It's just the tendency for people to compare players to ATG's that's annoying in general.

[og15]

Rodman was one of the greatest post defenders and rebounders in NBA history. I really like Vanderbilt, don't get me wrong, but **** are these hot take type videos just clickbait. Ugh.

I get comparisons if players show flashes of someone who's played the game before, but we are talking about someone who's never made an All-Star team, All-NBA Defense Team or led the league in rebounds compared to Dennis Rodman, a **** Hall of Famer.

Tyus Jones has led the league in Assist-to-Turnover ratio for a couple years. He's John Stockton 2.0, everyone! They both get assists and protect the ball!

I'm assuming the reason "modern day" is used is because the video maker is acknowledging that the prized defensive skills for today are different than in Rodman's day. Man to man post defense is not as sought after because there is less focus on post scoring, while defensive versatility, ability to switch and defend in space is more valued.

So modern day is probably saying that this is the type of defender that a Rodman type would or could be in the current NBA, the multiple position guy who rebounds and is energetic on the floor.

Vanderbilt of course has not found a way to get teams to keep him in the floor for starters minutes, but of course Vanderbilt is also younger than rookie Rodman, and Rodman (on a good team) played 24.4 mpg his first 4 seasons (25-28 years old) averaging 9 ppg/8rpg, and his rebound rate didn't become the legendary level until he was 30 years old. Vanderbilt so far in his career (ages 19-23) has had a 17.3% TRB%. Rodman was at 17.5% his first two seasons at 25 and 26 years old.

I'm not suggesting Vanderbilt will become what Rodman was, but what Rodman is known for as a rebounder and even all he became known for defensively didn't fully surface until he was 30 years and older, so technically, Vanderbilt still has 7 years .

Anyways, I think people always try to overanalyze when comparisons are made and need it to be almost exact, but comparisons many times are just to give people a reference point of how to think about the player.

It's just the tendency for people to compare players to ATG's that's annoying in general.

For sure, I'm assuming ATG's are easier to envision the idea behind the comparison vs lesser know players. Of course being fair to the YouTube poster, he was pretty clear what he was and was not implying in the comparison.

[Kilroy]

He's way better at man defense on the perimeter than Rodman was, but he's not close to being the physical defender and rebounder Rodman was in the paint... So that said, in a way, maybe Vande is a 'modern Rodman' because Rodman would not be nearly as effective in this era, with the restrictions on physical play in the paint. He was always a foul away from fouling out in the 80s/90s as it was, he'd have a hell of a time staying on the court today. And because the focus today is more on the perimeter...

They're very different players in very different eras... But they are to their eras, providing similar services, if that makes sense... That said, I think Rodman had much more impact in his era than Vande has had so far in his.

[hippesthippo]

He's way better at man defense on the perimeter than Rodman was, but he's not close to being the physical defender and rebounder Rodman was in the paint... So that said, in a way, maybe Vande is a 'modern Rodman' because Rodman would not be nearly as effective in this era, with the restrictions on physical play in the paint. He was always a foul away from fouling out in the 80s/90s as it was, he'd have a hell of a time staying on the court today. And because the focus today is more on the perimeter...

They're very different players in very different eras... But they are to their eras, providing similar services, if that makes sense... That said, I think Rodman had much more impact in his era than Vande has had so far in his.

Young[er] Rodman played far more out on the perimeter.

[MrGoat]

There is no modern Rodman. Dennis Rodman was one of the more unique players in NBA history