OMG! Injuries strike fast and plenty

[ORLMagicGirl15]

You know what is interesting, the entire season you talk about load management only to lose them in game 1 of the first round.

[Chuck Everett]

guess they’d rather you’d get injured in the playoffs than reg season

Still think the whole thing is pointless. There’s really no true way to prevent an injury in basketball. Simply stepping on someone’s foot can end your season

Spurs started this trend, but it was for Duncan and Manu when they were around the age of 34-35 which made sense at that age since both were getting a lot of nagging injuries. I felt it extended both of those guys careers, but they were way past their prime and needed load management. Anybody below the age of 35 should not be doing load management.

Duncan had injuries in 04 and 05 tha tlead to 06 and on him having his minutes cut, not so much games. He was 29 in 2006, not 34 or 35. The spurs also did the same thing to Parker around that same time...he was in his early 20's. Infact Parker never once played even 35 minutes a game in the regular season.

And to our "players fault" people...Parker complained about that all the time. Pop didn't care.

BTW Parker with all that "load management", and with a game that didn't lend itself to being an "old man" (short and doesn't shoot well) is 19th all time in regular season + play off games played. So maybe it worked?

See this is where I get confused by this management stuff. Parker just played less minutes than he would like. He still played a ton of games. These guys are playing less games (with less minutes as well). It's not like this is Michael Finley averaging almost 39 minutes a night after getting back to backs off.

[G35]

soft players

Yeah I remember the 90s and 80s. Players going for 82 on broken feet and arms. When MJ injured his leg he kept going walking with his hands and shooting with his left leg.

Those were the days.

You remember that too! I'm glad we can tell those who didn't see it that it really did happen.

https://intentionalinspirations.com/leaders-play-hurt/

"But Charles ended up having to be the leader. I remember being a high school kid who felt let down by most the Suns players. They seemed to be playing scared and already defeated. I told my mom that Barkley was the only one that seemed to be playing with all his heart. He was hustling and making plays. He was drawing the team back around him emotionally.

He was doing all this while wearing a bulky bandage/brace on his elbow. They had to drain fluid from the joint before the game and steroid injections at half time to decrease the inflammation."

https://www.nba.com/news/history-finals-moments-isiah-thomas-25-points-1988

The Game: 1988 Finals, Game 6

The Series Situation: Detroit Pistons lead Los Angeles Lakers, 3-2

The Play: Isiah Thomas, hobbling on a sprained ankle, scores an NBA-record 25 points in the third quarter.

The Significance: It was weird and courageous all into one, the sight of a player producing an all-time great quarter on one leg. Before he rolled his right ankle while assisting a Joe Dumars basket, Thomas had scored 14 points in the third quarter to start a Detroit Pistons rally.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/basketball/news-one-great-moments-nba-history-when-willis-reed-broken-leg-helped-knicks-win-game-7-1970-nba-finals

Willis Reed’s remarkable Game 7 performance
Despite being severely compromised, Reed blew everyone away by suiting up, emerging from the tunnel in triumphant fashion after a cortisone shot. As he famously stated after the game, he didn’t want to look at himself in the mirror 20 years later and wondered whether or not he should have played.

https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/top-10-gutsiest-in-game-performances-by-injured-athletes/

"I don't believe what I just saw!" Jack Buck's call of Kirk Gibson's unforgettable World Series home run is my preference, but Vin Scully had a great call too. For a moment this awesome, it deserved two classic calls.

Hobbling to the plate with not one but two bum legs, Gibson made his only plate appearance of the World Series in Game 1 against the Oakland Athletics, when the Dodgers trailed 4-3 with two outs in the bottom of the ninth inning and a runner on first base. Gibson wasn't expected to play at all, lights-out A's closer Dennis Eckersley wasn't expected to blow the game, and this moment wasn't expected to be anything surprising.

Except, Gibson managed to crank a 3-2 slider just over the wall in right field, winning the game for the Dodgers and instantly creating one of baseball's most iconic moments. The shot of Gibson fist-pumping as he rounded the bases remains one of the game's most famous images.

If doing great things were easy, then everyone would do it.

Watch on YouTube

[LukaTheGOAT]

There's a video with a Tim Grover (ex-Michael Jordan trainer) interview, where he says that, the more players are load managed, the more they will be susceptible to injuries.

I tried searching for it on my browser history, couldn't find it...

I don't know if Grover is the best resource. The only video I could find of him regarding load management was him saying teams only use "bands and cables" for training and that some NBA teams don't even have a weight room. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that every NBA team does in fact have a weight room.

The main issue (from what I've read) is this: AAU is killing guys. Guys are entering the league having played way more basketball than in the past and this is showing up in medicals. Kids are only doing single sport specific training today and aren't playing other sports that train their body in a more well rounded way. They are playing basketball year round and aren't taking a break by playing football, baseball, etc anymore. This is leading to more repetitive stress injuries.

There is no solid answer on who is resting players at every organisation so I don't think there's any specific medical or scientific reason personally. I just don't the buy the milage argument which I have seen before, why are NBA players and coaches asking for less games rather than less AAU stuff? Did the Spurs wake up one day and decide AAU was **** up all their players? Because it really didn't take long for everyone to start copying them, I don't even know know where the facts on kids coming in with stress fractures from the AAU could possibly come from.

Wouldn't teams be trying to utilise load management to get players to play more games? Why wouldn't you just reduce chronic loads by decreasing training loads instead of missing games? De-training is very important for young athletes bodies but the NBA doesn't even really care about that now, preferring to rest senior stars instead, it just screams pseudoscience to me that young kids aren't rested more during their first few years if they are so spot on with their load management these days.

https://es.pn/2XBwnah

[DoctorX]

guess they’d rather you’d get injured in the playoffs than reg season

Still think the whole thing is pointless. There’s really no true way to prevent an injury in basketball. Simply stepping on someone’s foot can end your season

Spurs started this trend, but it was for Duncan and Manu when they were around the age of 34-35 which made sense at that age since both were getting a lot of nagging injuries. I felt it extended both of those guys careers, but they were way past their prime and needed load management. Anybody below the age of 35 should not be doing load management.

Duncan had injuries in 04 and 05 tha tlead to 06 and on him having his minutes cut, not so much games. He was 29 in 2006, not 34 or 35. The spurs also did the same thing to Parker around that same time...he was in his early 20's. Infact Parker never once played even 35 minutes a game in the regular season.

And to our "players fault" people...Parker complained about that all the time. Pop didn't care.

BTW Parker with all that "load management", and with a game that didn't lend itself to being an "old man" (short and doesn't shoot well) is 19th all time in regular season + play off games played. So maybe it worked?

I don't count load management as playing less minutes. Load management to me is playing less games. Duncan
had plantar fasciitis in '06 I remember it too well and even with that he played slightly more minutes than he did in '05. Duncan's minutes were pretty much the same from '03-'10. As for Parker and load management I didn't think it did much for his career. He was no longer an all-star caliber player after '14 and his decline was very rapid.

[dhsilv2]

Spurs started this trend, but it was for Duncan and Manu when they were around the age of 34-35 which made sense at that age since both were getting a lot of nagging injuries. I felt it extended both of those guys careers, but they were way past their prime and needed load management. Anybody below the age of 35 should not be doing load management.

Duncan had injuries in 04 and 05 tha tlead to 06 and on him having his minutes cut, not so much games. He was 29 in 2006, not 34 or 35. The spurs also did the same thing to Parker around that same time...he was in his early 20's. Infact Parker never once played even 35 minutes a game in the regular season.

And to our "players fault" people...Parker complained about that all the time. Pop didn't care.

BTW Parker with all that "load management", and with a game that didn't lend itself to being an "old man" (short and doesn't shoot well) is 19th all time in regular season + play off games played. So maybe it worked?

See this is where I get confused by this management stuff. Parker just played less minutes than he would like. He still played a ton of games. These guys are playing less games (with less minutes as well). It's not like this is Michael Finley averaging almost 39 minutes a night after getting back to backs off.

The spurs weren't doing the resting nearly as much. Partially because they were innovators here. Partially because of course the game was easier to play when Pop started this. Today obviously the speed and style of play lends itself to more injuries.

[dhsilv2]

Spurs started this trend, but it was for Duncan and Manu when they were around the age of 34-35 which made sense at that age since both were getting a lot of nagging injuries. I felt it extended both of those guys careers, but they were way past their prime and needed load management. Anybody below the age of 35 should not be doing load management.

Duncan had injuries in 04 and 05 tha tlead to 06 and on him having his minutes cut, not so much games. He was 29 in 2006, not 34 or 35. The spurs also did the same thing to Parker around that same time...he was in his early 20's. Infact Parker never once played even 35 minutes a game in the regular season.

And to our "players fault" people...Parker complained about that all the time. Pop didn't care.

BTW Parker with all that "load management", and with a game that didn't lend itself to being an "old man" (short and doesn't shoot well) is 19th all time in regular season + play off games played. So maybe it worked?

I don't count load management as playing less minutes. Load management to me is playing less games. Duncan
had plantar fasciitis in '06 I remember it too well and even with that he played slightly more minutes than he did in '05. Duncan's minutes were pretty much the same from '03-'10. As for Parker and load management I didn't think it did much for his career. He was no longer an all-star caliber player after '14 and his decline was very rapid.

Load management is absolutely less minutes per game and taking off some back to back games.

2003 Duncan was at 39.3 minutes. 2010 he was at 31.3. Not sure how you can claim pretty much the same for all those seasons. And yes Duncan had the planter whatever in 2006, 2007 where he might have once again returned as the league's best player, he played .7 minutes a game less than 2006. Then he'd drop .1 again the next year. .3 the next year. 1.4 the next year.

As for Parker, I guess we'll agree to disagree. I don't think those non allstar years should be dismissed.

[WargamesX]

Its ironic we are seeing injuries now. This season was actually pretty injury free compared to most

[ConSarnit]

Its ironic we are seeing injuries now. This season was actually pretty injury free compared to most

Was it? I could only find data for the halfway point but there were more games lost to illness (non-covid) and injury this year than any of the past 5 seasons (when comparing the first 41 games). Not sure if that trend continued in the 2nd half but usually injuries increase as the season goes on.

[Joao Saraiva]

soft players

Yeah I remember the 90s and 80s. Players going for 82 on broken feet and arms. When MJ injured his leg he kept going walking with his hands and shooting with his left leg.

Those were the days.

You remember that too! I'm glad we can tell those who didn't see it that it really did happen.

https://intentionalinspirations.com/leaders-play-hurt/

"But Charles ended up having to be the leader. I remember being a high school kid who felt let down by most the Suns players. They seemed to be playing scared and already defeated. I told my mom that Barkley was the only one that seemed to be playing with all his heart. He was hustling and making plays. He was drawing the team back around him emotionally.

He was doing all this while wearing a bulky bandage/brace on his elbow. They had to drain fluid from the joint before the game and steroid injections at half time to decrease the inflammation."

https://www.nba.com/news/history-finals-moments-isiah-thomas-25-points-1988

The Game: 1988 Finals, Game 6

The Series Situation: Detroit Pistons lead Los Angeles Lakers, 3-2

The Play: Isiah Thomas, hobbling on a sprained ankle, scores an NBA-record 25 points in the third quarter.

The Significance: It was weird and courageous all into one, the sight of a player producing an all-time great quarter on one leg. Before he rolled his right ankle while assisting a Joe Dumars basket, Thomas had scored 14 points in the third quarter to start a Detroit Pistons rally.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/basketball/news-one-great-moments-nba-history-when-willis-reed-broken-leg-helped-knicks-win-game-7-1970-nba-finals

Willis Reed’s remarkable Game 7 performance
Despite being severely compromised, Reed blew everyone away by suiting up, emerging from the tunnel in triumphant fashion after a cortisone shot. As he famously stated after the game, he didn’t want to look at himself in the mirror 20 years later and wondered whether or not he should have played.

https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/top-10-gutsiest-in-game-performances-by-injured-athletes/

"I don't believe what I just saw!" Jack Buck's call of Kirk Gibson's unforgettable World Series home run is my preference, but Vin Scully had a great call too. For a moment this awesome, it deserved two classic calls.

Hobbling to the plate with not one but two bum legs, Gibson made his only plate appearance of the World Series in Game 1 against the Oakland Athletics, when the Dodgers trailed 4-3 with two outs in the bottom of the ninth inning and a runner on first base. Gibson wasn't expected to play at all, lights-out A's closer Dennis Eckersley wasn't expected to blow the game, and this moment wasn't expected to be anything surprising.

Except, Gibson managed to crank a 3-2 slider just over the wall in right field, winning the game for the Dodgers and instantly creating one of baseball's most iconic moments. The shot of Gibson fist-pumping as he rounded the bases remains one of the game's most famous images.

If doing great things were easy, then everyone would do it.

Watch on YouTube

Players played in the NBA finals while injured... yeah that will still happen today. Even KD who agravated an injury for a long time.

[moderndarwin]

Ja
Embiid
Giannis
Playoff P
Kiwi
Zion (kinda)

This has been a crazy beginning to the playoffs to have some many superstars out.

Ironically, AD finally healthy.

[baldur]

They are all injury prone players. Maybe except bit of giannis and ja.

[zimpy27]

soft players

Yeah I remember the 90s and 80s. Players going for 82 on broken feet and arms. When MJ injured his leg he kept going walking with his hands and shooting with his left leg.

Those were the days.

Ahh yes.. the infamous "leg game"..

I remember one game Jordans team was down to 4 players because of catastrophic injuries. Bill Murray just happened to be at game and was allowed to join as their 5th member. Anyway, Jordan ends up winning the games with a half court dunk, no and-1 was called even though he had two guys grabbing his ankles.

[Lalouie]

So much for load management.

yup. injuries don't pick and choose,,,they just happen
and the fact that players play off season make management inconsequential

i suppose mathematically, less pt = fewer injuries
but if you do nothing, nothing gets done

[AleksandarN]

Ja
Embiid
Giannis
Playoff P
Kiwi
Zion (kinda)

This has been a crazy beginning to the playoffs to have some many superstars out.

Ironically, AD finally healthy.

Jokic playing with a wrist injury. So many injuries this post season

[Moose]

I wonder if the load management and limitation of minutes + the lesser effort during the season vs all-out effort and the extra minutes in the playoffs (plus no games missed) leads to more injuries

Hurts rather than helps, perhaps?

[Edrees]

Just because injuries happen doesn't mean laod management doesn't decrease injury rates.

Players practice free throws and still don't shoot 100% from the line. Is that proof free throw practice is useless? You're just gonna miss some anyway!

If Kawhi doesn't load manage there's a good chance he injuries his knee long before the playoffs.

[jokeboy86]

This is why I predict this whole "must play x games" to be eligible for individual awards will be quickly reverted because teams are probably going to prioritize the playoffs even more now and say screw letting guys play a bunch of minutes in the regular season. And this is why I'm shocked the owners/NBPA agreed to this stupid mid-season tournament as well.

[OkcSinceSGA]

How hard and fast was it?

[baldur]

You know what is interesting, the entire season you talk about load management only to lose them in game 1 of the first round.

proves how useless load management is.