OMG! Injuries strike fast and plenty

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Re: OMG! Injuries strike fast and plenty 

Post#61 » by JDR720 » Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:09 pm

jokeboy86 wrote:This is why I predict this whole "must play x games" to be eligible for individual awards will be quickly reverted because teams are probably going to prioritize the playoffs even more now and say screw letting guys play a bunch of minutes in the regular season. And this is why I'm shocked the owners/NBPA agreed to this stupid mid-season tournament as well.

The issue with that idea is these playoff injures aren't due to playin time. They're random fluke injuries. Like most injures are. Kawhi is the only one due to playing time, some of which happened in the playoffs.
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Re: OMG! Injuries strike fast and plenty 

Post#62 » by clyde21 » Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:13 pm

good thing all the load management during the RS saved the players for the POs amirite?
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Re: OMG! Injuries strike fast and plenty 

Post#63 » by jokeboy86 » Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:23 pm

JDR720 wrote:
jokeboy86 wrote:This is why I predict this whole "must play x games" to be eligible for individual awards will be quickly reverted because teams are probably going to prioritize the playoffs even more now and say screw letting guys play a bunch of minutes in the regular season. And this is why I'm shocked the owners/NBPA agreed to this stupid mid-season tournament as well.

The issue with that idea is these playoff injures aren't due to playin time. They're random fluke injuries. Like most injures are. Kawhi is the only one due to playing time, some of which happened in the playoffs.


Yeah but some of these front offices/GM can get paranoid even though you're right that these are fluke random injuries. I think teams will even be more precautionary with sprains or other nicks and ailments too. But in regards to the individual awards eligibility I also think it will be eliminated or the threshold lowered because once the "stars" or the best players stop becoming eligible to win the awards the talking heads/media will cry to do away with it or they'll just flat out dismiss some winners. There will only be so many times they'll be able take Jokic finishing top 3 in MVP votes lol
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Re: OMG! Injuries strike fast and plenty 

Post#64 » by clyde21 » Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:37 pm

baldur wrote:
ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:You know what is interesting, the entire season you talk about load management only to lose them in game 1 of the first round.

proves how useless load management is.


still no one has ever been able to provide any data that load management leads to less injury. it's all theoretical nonsense without any actual proof or justification.
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Re: OMG! Injuries strike fast and plenty 

Post#65 » by Michael Jackson » Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:38 pm

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DoctorX wrote:So much for load management.


I'm kind of on the fence on this.

I saw a poster in here say more load management makes players more susceptible to injuries...

but on the other hand, doesn't this prove that teams sit out players for games here and there for the fear of freak injuries in random games just like in these game 1s? BUT also on the other hand, it seems like even if you load manage, players can still have freak injuries. My head hurts



I truly believe that Derrick Rose got his first injury because his groin was never healed (he also played a style begging for injury so it would have eventually happened) but because he was playing injured for weeks, compensating his style, his knee gave out. Thibs will be forever made fun of it for keeping him in that game when he shouldn't have been but until that groin was fully healed that might just have easily happened the next game. I think it is smart to rest guys if the injury is critical or someone has a style that begs for injury (rose is the example but I would say Yao Ming is another etc...) I don't want to see AD pushing it just because he is susceptible. Guys like LeBron or Jordan (younger years) just tanks nd nothing that would sideline them, real rarities.v Currently I agree with the load management LeBron. Father time is unforgiving and you need him when you need him most which is now. If he has to sit 30 games... so what. Kawhi, he is just not healthy and has a degenerative issue, so it will always be a problem. KD you also have to treat it with kid gloves. Unfortunate for fans right, but I prefer still seeing guys like LeBron, KD, CP3 be able to play late in their career and have impact. Although Giannis is hurt currently he is one of those freaks
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Re: OMG! Injuries strike fast and plenty 

Post#66 » by Michael Jackson » Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:47 pm

clyde21 wrote:
baldur wrote:
ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:You know what is interesting, the entire season you talk about load management only to lose them in game 1 of the first round.

proves how useless load management is.


still no one has ever been able to provide any data that load management leads to less injury. it's all theoretical nonsense without any actual proof or justification.



I also think it is nearly impossible to have good definitive data on it. The players who need it (ie Vucevic played all 82 this year and not injury prone) are generally oft injured or long in the tooth. How do you divided the data though? Take MJ do you take his early career or his Wizards career to gauge the injuries. Opposite might be for Grant Hill whose Early career was fine, his prime oft injured and then ended up fairly healthy in his twilight career.

Pop and the Spurs are the prime example of the trend, but Pops was generally right in that as Duncan, Manu and Parker for the most part had logged a lot of minutes and he wanted them fresh for the playoffs. The problem is now that it is starting game 1 in the season etc. Still I think LeBron at his age should be load managed. Kawhi needs to be because of his overall condition. You got a guy like DDR who is pretty durable throughout his career so he doesn't need it. It is absolutely overused though and I think depending on the player that the time off not staying in game shape is more detrimental than it would be playing the games. LeBron I get it as I said and he stays in game shape. Would Leonard be better if he tried an 82 game schedule? Maybe, maybe not hard to say. Has the whole situation gotten out of hand and become a joke? Yes it has. I do think it has value though, but it is more of a case by case thing than what it has evolved into as a standard for all.

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