Sean Marks and Jacque Vaughn should be fired.

[Netaman]

Marks started in a severely negative, asset poor territory. King started with an asset trove in place.

Marks took a gamble on an injured star that couldn't even play for a year. That gamble paid off.

Marks also had to navigate a pandemic and local legal issues associated with it.

I consider Marks one of the better GMs in the league. Teams would scoop him up in an instant if he was available.

Vaughn sucks. He can go.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

I feel like everyone is resting on the laurels with Marks' first few years of fixing King's mess, but remember this guy offered huge contracts to Allen Crabbe and Tyler Johnson. Gave Steve Nash a job.

He's overrated

Those deals were matched, Marks had to overpay to get talent in given our situation, and he had to put out a talented team to attract FAs. Deals need to be looked at within a grand scheme instead of in isolation.

such crazy offer sheets all those teams gm's matched them!

nobody is going to bat 1.000 but im quite confident MDB won't be able to name an available GM with a resume half as good as marks.

[MrDollarBills]

Yep you guys want more of the same: mediocrity, bad management and drama.

[MrDollarBills]

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

I feel like everyone is resting on the laurels with Marks' first few years of fixing King's mess, but remember this guy offered huge contracts to Allen Crabbe and Tyler Johnson. Gave Steve Nash a job.

He's overrated

Those deals were matched, Marks had to overpay to get talent in given our situation, and he had to put out a talented team to attract FAs. Deals need to be looked at within a grand scheme instead of in isolation.

such crazy offer sheets all those teams gm's matched them!

nobody is going to bat 1.000 but im quite confident MDB won't be able to name an available GM with a resume half as good as marks.

I want Langdon, who is currently wasting his time with New Orleans. but the fact that you think that Marks' record is good is honestly all i need to know. Have fun sucking mediocrity's dick, i guess.

[MrDollarBills]

Marks = 8 playoff wins, 7 seasons.

Billy King = 10 playoff wins, 6 seasons.

Keep making excuses.

This is all that matters. The results of Marks' tenure have been trash. Marks signed or traded for three superstar players who all demanded trades, gave up a ton of assets for a half season of Harden, let KD and Kyrie destroy everything that he built, and then traded Harden to Philly for a worthless bag of dogsh*t. He hired Steve Nash to oversee a win now team ffs. Yet, you guys think he deserves another chance? Ok. You're all full of sh*t.

It's funny how Marks gets a pass for being just as incompetent as Billy King was. I wonder what the difference is?

[Netaman]

Those deals were matched, Marks had to overpay to get talent in given our situation, and he had to put out a talented team to attract FAs. Deals need to be looked at within a grand scheme instead of in isolation.

such crazy offer sheets all those teams gm's matched them!

nobody is going to bat 1.000 but im quite confident MDB won't be able to name an available GM with a resume half as good as marks.

I want Langdon, who is currently wasting his time with New Orleans. but the fact that you think that Marks' record is good is honestly all i need to know. Have fun sucking mediocrity's dick, i guess.

it's odd but for a guy who thinks marks is mediocre, you seem to think highly of a lot of the people he hired and brought into the organization even though they have minimal track records. weird so many talented people passed through the nets org with marks. almost like he's highly thought of or something.

[MrDollarBills]

such crazy offer sheets all those teams gm's matched them!

nobody is going to bat 1.000 but im quite confident MDB won't be able to name an available GM with a resume half as good as marks.

I want Langdon, who is currently wasting his time with New Orleans. but the fact that you think that Marks' record is good is honestly all i need to know. Have fun sucking mediocrity's dick, i guess.

it's odd but for a guy who thinks marks is mediocre, you seem to think highly of a lot of the people he hired and brought into the organization even though they have minimal track records. weird so many talented people passed through the nets org with marks. almost like he's highly thought of or something.

Langdon is another member of the Spurs/Popovich tree. I have no issue giving another person from that circle a chance. It's not about Marks.

Also, what has the end result of Marks' tenure amounted to? Do you seriously think that this is acceptable?

[Netaman]

Marks = 8 playoff wins, 7 seasons.

Billy King = 10 playoff wins, 6 seasons.

Keep making excuses.

This is all that matters. The results of Marks' tenure have been trash. Marks signed or traded for three superstar players who all demanded trades, gave up a ton of assets for a half season of Harden, let KD and Kyrie destroy everything that he built, and then traded Harden to Philly for a worthless bag of dogsh*t. He hired Steve Nash to oversee a win now team ffs. Yet, you guys think he deserves another chance? Ok. You're all full of sh*t.

It's funny how Marks gets a pass for being just as incompetent as Billy King was. I wonder what the difference is?

is it all that mattered? because i remember this mattering after king was gone:



and this mattering:



and this mattering:



and also this "OG" move still continuing to matter:

[Netaman]

I want Langdon, who is currently wasting his time with New Orleans. but the fact that you think that Marks' record is good is honestly all i need to know. Have fun sucking mediocrity's dick, i guess.

it's odd but for a guy who thinks marks is mediocre, you seem to think highly of a lot of the people he hired and brought into the organization even though they have minimal track records. weird so many talented people passed through the nets org with marks. almost like he's highly thought of or something.

Langdon is another member of the Spurs/Popovich tree. I have no issue giving another person from that circle a chance. It's not about Marks.

Also, what has the end result of Marks' tenure amounted to? Do you seriously think that this is acceptable?

the current roster features a 22 year old center he drafted/developed into a dpoy candidate this year and he just got bridges, who bc of his contract may be one of the 10-15 best assets in the NBA.

the nets now have more first round picks than all but a few teams.

they are in an infinitely better position than they were in 2016.
they are in a better position than they were in pre-KD.

the championship window was briefer than we wanted it to be but that was always a risk. KD was 32 years old with a ruptured achilles. it was all risk from the beginning. when it went sideways he sold high and put the franchise in much better shape than any other time pre-kd since kidd.

[CalamityX12]

Twolves about to win gm 4 cuz they had the heart to do so

We had no inspiration to pump our players into any overachiever winner

[Eatgreenz]

Marks = 8 playoff wins, 7 seasons.

Billy King = 10 playoff wins, 6 seasons.

Keep making excuses.

Cmon bro your better than this you gotta give context on what Billy King did just to get those measly 10 wins. He traded 6th pick for gerald wallace wtf!!!!! For 6th pick to turn into Dame . Then he helps the Celtics build there contender gifting them tatum n brown. So we can win a couple playoff games with a 39yr old KG, Pierce and Jason Terry This moron King really unprotected all those picks because he thought 39yr olds could play for ever. There is a reason King will never sniff a NBA gm job again in his life. If Marks was let go I could see him getting another job. Not one GM is not taking a chance at KD, Kyrie, Harden(Harden was KD begging Tsai move) in 2021. Should Clippers GM be fired to, whose not taking chance on a kawhi and PG13 duo. Listening to some of Marks interviews looks like his learned from all of this, id like to see what he does this offseason. I know for sure ayton would be on this team and not bridges if King was running it.

[GTR11]

Marks = 8 playoff wins, 7 seasons.

Billy King = 10 playoff wins, 6 seasons.

Keep making excuses.

This is all that matters. The results of Marks' tenure have been trash. Marks signed or traded for three superstar players who all demanded trades, gave up a ton of assets for a half season of Harden, let KD and Kyrie destroy everything that he built, and then traded Harden to Philly for a worthless bag of dogsh*t. He hired Steve Nash to oversee a win now team ffs. Yet, you guys think he deserves another chance? Ok. You're all full of sh*t.

It's funny how Marks gets a pass for being just as incompetent as Billy King was. I wonder what the difference is?

That is the only legit shot you, me and us - > can take. Other than that all other stuff you said need a context into it. Than when you start braking it down and comparing it, statements that you make look silly.

Billy and Saltic trade deserves it's own thread. Simply because we need to break down what led to that trade to begin with and than start jumping on King. At the time it was considered Brooklyn win. Prok did what he came here for and that will be the end of convversation. He made fortune buying low and selling high entire life. He never ever was a specialist in developing ANYTHING TO SPEAK OFF!!! EVER!!!

Joe Tsai for all his short comings is a developer of huge organization period. He wasn't appointed or been government pet. Yes he got handled later on but, we do the same here to say least. We actually starving for Ma or Tsai level engineers. After Snowden and Asange they not coming here. For fu** sake we can't even attract Philippine nurses over here anymore to cover needs. Not after Trump and all his anti asian shenanigans.

Marks came here and took over losing situation. He knew owner at the time was about to sell too. What he did is tremendous according to some like Silver, Pop and Ballmer. These guys ain't no bums, they know what they say.

Before anyone say/post anything stupid. Research Ratner, Tsai and Prokhorov.

[GTR11]

Twolves about to win gm 4 cuz they had the heart to do so

We had no inspiration to pump our players into any overachiever winner

There is a reason why coaches demand GM spot or taking on coaching themselves. Zen, Pop and latest Kerr is enough evidence.

That's why I'm iffy on Nurse hire. I didn't do enough homework on him yet ( won't be till end of the May ) to say he is must hire. However from what I bumped into. Him and Ujiri bumped heads with the direction team needs to go. He wants to be coach/gm from what I see. Is it good or bad? I don't know. I'm open to entertain such possibility though. Something like Saltics did with Ainge here.

[Netaman]

Twolves about to win gm 4 cuz they had the heart to do so

We had no inspiration to pump our players into any overachiever winner

there are definitely issues with the current roster and player usage. joe harris has been doner than done since the milwaukee series. he is an outright choker in the playoffs. he went 1 for 12 from 3 in the series and imo his poor stretches in games 3/4 were low key central to the losses. his open 3's would have padded leads that needed padding (even in the 4 minutes he got in game 3).

as much as it seemed like curry was bad he was 3 for 9 from 3 in the series and got a dnp in game 3. that's probably my biggest usage gripe with vaughn. PLAY ANYBODY BUT HARRIS.

claxton getting tossed in game 3 was stupid too. that was a young player learning a stupid lesson the hard way.

dinwiddie, bridges, cj and clax handled themselves pretty well and the fact that they have played a lot of playoff games showed. rest of the group not as much. but we knew that. the rest is what needs to be figured out.

[3pt_chucker]

As usual there is a lot of copium and zero accountability in this thread/fan base.

This fanbase is so satisfied with mediocrity it's really sickening. Already feels like a repeat of last offseason when people were defending Marks and Nash after a chaotic season, crap player management, inept coaching, all culminating in an embarrassing sweep.

Can't wait to do this all over again in the year when Marks underwhelms in team building, JV is fired mid-season, Marks hires another crappy coach, has a crap trade deadline and the team misses playoff or gets swept. The same excuses will be applied again. Rinse and repeat.

[gigantes]

Marks = 8 playoff wins, 7 seasons.

Billy King = 10 playoff wins, 6 seasons.

Keep making excuses.

As a native New Yawka, it must suck that the Knicks are in so much better shape than the Nets at this point. I'm currently watching the local team go down in flames against them, and I had strong hopes the Cavs might have been able to reach the conference finals.

This sucks. Not just the losses, but Fro is being outplayed by the Nix' bigs, and that's something I wasn't expecting at all. Caris is having his worst postseason, too.

It really is unworldly how many times Ainge has fleeced other teams.

[CalamityX12]

Cant even speak for talent, cuz obviously we're on the short end there. Fine, confirmed & acknowledged. But heart?

Look at the Cavs/Wolves(losing effort), Knicks/Kings(impressive and contending like).... these guys, whom I just happened to watch more of vs others, the level of effort and play is on another planet compared to us.

That's where I can't accept it... lose in a battle, fine we tried... lose like this? again! there is something apparently wrong that extends beyond the players on the court. The staff and GM need to be addressed. Their body of work is horse sh*t after the KD/Ky Free Agency...

Its either Vaughn or Marks(Nash was too) who is leading the charge in NOT playing a **** Big. It's been like this since Kenny days and guess who are the two holdovers since? The direction of this franchise isn't in a good place and it's not being helped.

When we struggle next year, what's the quick fix? fire JV? Can they even do that after extending him?

Really gonna be bad times around here for a while... its just what it is...

[MrDollarBills]

As usual there is a lot of copium and zero accountability in this thread/fan base.

This fanbase is so satisfied with mediocrity it's really sickening. Already feels like a repeat of last offseason when people were defending Marks and Nash after a chaotic season, crap player management, inept coaching, all culminating in an embarrassing sweep.

Can't wait to do this all over again in the year when Marks underwhelms in team building, JV is fired mid-season, Marks hires another crappy coach, has a crap trade deadline and the team misses playoff or gets swept. The same excuses will be applied again. Rinse and repeat.

I'm at a loss as to why, after the last 4 years of chaos and ineptitude, Nets fans are eager to sign up for more of the same.

[MrDollarBills]

Cant even speak for talent, cuz obviously we're on the short end there. Fine, confirmed & acknowledged. But heart?

Look at the Cavs/Wolves(losing effort), Knicks/Kings(impressive and contending like).... these guys, whom I just happened to watch more of vs others, the level of effort and play is on another planet compared to us.

That's where I can't accept it... lose in a battle, fine we tried... lose like this? again! there is something apparently wrong that extends beyond the players on the court. The staff and GM need to be addressed. Their body of work is horse sh*t after the KD/Ky Free Agency...

Its either Vaughn or Marks(Nash was too) who is leading the charge in NOT playing a **** Big. It's been like this since Kenny days and guess who are the two holdovers since? The direction of this franchise isn't in a good place and it's not being helped.

When we struggle next year, what's the quick fix? fire JV? Can they even do that after extending him?

Really gonna be bad times around here for a while... its just what it is...

The fish rots from the head on downwards.

Trading 4 picks, 3 swaps for James Harden and then having to trade Harden for a debilitated Ben Simmons, Drummond (who left for nothing) and Seth (who will leave for nothing) + a late first...if Billy King did this, the same people white knighting for Sean Marks would be calling for his head.

And that's just one mistake.

[CalamityX12]

Cant even speak for talent, cuz obviously we're on the short end there. Fine, confirmed & acknowledged. But heart?

Look at the Cavs/Wolves(losing effort), Knicks/Kings(impressive and contending like).... these guys, whom I just happened to watch more of vs others, the level of effort and play is on another planet compared to us.

That's where I can't accept it... lose in a battle, fine we tried... lose like this? again! there is something apparently wrong that extends beyond the players on the court. The staff and GM need to be addressed. Their body of work is horse sh*t after the KD/Ky Free Agency...

Its either Vaughn or Marks(Nash was too) who is leading the charge in NOT playing a **** Big. It's been like this since Kenny days and guess who are the two holdovers since? The direction of this franchise isn't in a good place and it's not being helped.

When we struggle next year, what's the quick fix? fire JV? Can they even do that after extending him?

Really gonna be bad times around here for a while... its just what it is...

The fish rots from the head on downwards.

Trading 4 picks, 3 swaps for James Harden and then having to trade Harden for a debilitated Ben Simmons, Drummond (who left for nothing) and Seth (who will leave for nothing) + a late first...if Billy King did this, the same people white knighting for Sean Marks would be calling for his head.

And that's just one mistake.

The trade for Harden was indeed a high cost... however, had his hamstring held up(sh*t he did play thru it) and Ky stayed healthy, there could've been a Finals appearance legit and maybe win.

But we lost that trade due to the clown show that ensued.

Now trading to Harden to PHI almost looked ok until we see Ben more damaged than anyone anticipated(yet this trade went thru) that's careless and fireable on that alone. It was a bad move.... bet money we won't see Ben playing next season either but he collecting his pay! lol

i knew it was all bad juju when we traded our pick for Shamet.... **** awful.

[gigantes]

Cant even speak for talent, cuz obviously we're on the short end there. Fine, confirmed & acknowledged. But heart?

Look at the Cavs/Wolves(losing effort), Knicks/Kings(impressive and contending like).... these guys, whom I just happened to watch more of vs others, the level of effort and play is on another planet compared to us.

That's where I can't accept it... lose in a battle, fine we tried... lose like this? again! there is something apparently wrong that extends beyond the players on the court. The staff and GM need to be addressed. Their body of work is horse sh*t after the KD/Ky Free Agency...

IIRC the team played surprisingly well in the games KD and/or KI were out, with plenty of hustle and Brooklyn Grit (tm). Which is why I had decent hopes for the Nets with the talent infusion at the deadline. I thought for sure we'd be playing better than this by the postseason, given the reps.

In retrospect, I think I would have been okay using CamT as lead guard, and taking those two #1's for DFS.

Btw, I get people frustratedly / sarcastically saying "so you're satisfied with more of the same then, huh?" but you know very well that's ignoring reality. The reality is that Marks' hands were tied in many ways during the KD/KI disaster, and that period was pretty much the furthest thing from the normal rebuild arc we were on track for before those jokers signed on.

The fact is, Marks' biggest skills are probably finding talent and generating draft picks, and he had very little opportunity to use those skills during 3-4 years of ring-chasing.

You can't tie a conjurer's hands for 3-4 years, then complain that he didn't perform any good tricks during that time. It makes no sense.