Official 2023 Wizards OFFSEASON Thread

dckingsfan · Post #221 » by **dckingsfan** » Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:38 pm

closg00 wrote:It may be damning with feint praise, but I trust Huff more than Gafford.

What I REALLY like is that there might be a chance to have Gafford/Huff take all of the minutes at C (when lineups align) and have a permanent mismatch at PF.

doclinkin · Post #222 » by **doclinkin** » Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:41 pm

We absolutely have a chance to be in the running for a big name GM. Granted it's a small chance. But it is mathematically quantifiable. By my calculations we have at least a 6.7% chance for this to be a plum job desirable by any GM. But we won't know that until til Tuesday May 16th.

The Wizards with the 7-10th pick is not necessarily a desirable job. The Wizards with Wembanyama is a dream job.

I think a lot of this gets thrown up in the air. Yes Ted blaming the failure to make the playoffs is concerning. However, from a PR perspective he can't afford to flub the next hire. I agree with the sentiment that he has a GM in mind, likely Tim Connelly but I hold out for Bob Myers. When either of those teams is eliminated he may ask for the ability to interview them, but likely he has spoken with his candidate quietly through back channels.

That said it could be something like the Kevin Durant fiasco where Ted is just hoping he will be able to sweet talk a candidate into taking the job. Thing is he just undermined the biggest thing the job had going for it: the loyalty clause. If Grunfeld could last for 14 years, then a competent GM should have a job for life. Plus Tommy was well liked. AND is friends with Tim Connelly. I would not be startled if Ted thought he could land Connelly by agreeing to the terms that Connelly's camp put on the table the last time the job was shopped, but with Tommy getting booted, and Beal now inked with a NTC, this might not feel like a welcome place. Yesterday's price is not today's price.

Interesting to me is the fact this brings up though. Beal and Tommy were by all accounts close. Tommy is a likable guy. I would not be surprised if a new guy coming in brings with him a willingness to trade Beal, and from Beal's perspective, a desire or willingness to hunt for a deal. This is no longer the 'family family family' movie that it was with Tommy in the director's chair.

Likewise Kuzma. Possibly Porzingis. The franchise may get a re-set button whether Ted wants it or not.

Still, Tommy or no Tommy really the fate of this franchise depends on where a bunch of ping pong balls fall.

LOL as usual.

Post #223 » by **nate33** » Fri Apr 21, 2023 1:49 pm

Read on Twitter

NatP4 · Post #224 » by **NatP4** » Fri Apr 21, 2023 3:08 pm

I actually like WUJ, but Nurse is a true difference maker.

He took a highly mediocre roster of Van Fleet and a bunch of scrubs to a .500 record and the play in.

dobrojim · Post #225 » by **dobrojim** » Fri Apr 21, 2023 4:02 pm

Nurse might be solid but I don't consider TOR's roster including the likes of
OG Anunoby, Scottie Barnes and Siakem to be scrubs. Even Poetl is solid.

pcbothwel · Post #226 » by **pcbothwel** » Fri Apr 21, 2023 4:43 pm

dobrojim wrote:Nurse might be solid but I don't consider TOR's roster including the likes of
OG Anunoby, Scottie Barnes and Siakem to be scrubs. Even Poetl is solid.

Ehhh. The roster construction was poor. They had a team that couldn't shoot, rebound, or protect the rim... And were still .500
They led the league in defensive TOV%, had a league low Offensive TOV%, and got offensive boards.

Once they traded for Poetl they went 15-10.
Their most efficient scorer was their defensive wing specialist (OG). 5 of our top 7 players in Minutes played (KP, Beal, Kispert, Morris, Gafford) were all more efficient than he was.
That really puts any coach in a hole to dig out of.

NatP4 · Post #227 » by **NatP4** » Fri Apr 21, 2023 5:14 pm

dobrojim wrote:Nurse might be solid but I don't consider TOR's roster including the likes of
OG Anunoby, Scottie Barnes and Siakem to be scrubs. Even Poetl is solid.

Barnes was wildly overhyped in his rookie season, he’s mediocre, Siakam is way over the hill, not much more than an average starter. Anunoby is solid, but also missed 15 games and was involved in trade rumors all year.

It’s essentially Van Fleet and a bunch of mediocrity. He did what he could with that roster.

dckingsfan · Post #228 » by **dckingsfan** » Fri Apr 21, 2023 7:04 pm

NatP4 wrote:
dobrojim wrote:Nurse might be solid but I don't consider TOR's roster including the likes of
OG Anunoby, Scottie Barnes and Siakem to be scrubs. Even Poetl is solid.

Barnes was wildly overhyped in his rookie season, he’s mediocre, Siakam is way over the hill, not much more than an average starter. Anunoby is solid, but also missed 15 games and was involved in trade rumors all year.

It’s essentially Van Fleet and a bunch of mediocrity. He did what he could with that roster.

Agreed, he did great with that roster. Not a knock on our coach - I think that WUJ just needs time to see where he ends up.

long suffrin' boulez fan · Post #229 » by **long suffrin' boulez fan** » Fri Apr 21, 2023 7:10 pm

Frustrating. Why commit to WUJ and lose the opportunity to go after Nurse - a true difference maker as a coach.

NatP4 · Post #230 » by **NatP4** » Fri Apr 21, 2023 7:40 pm

If you trade Beal this off-season, and let Kuzma walk, I think WUJ is in a SIGNIFICANTLY better situation in terms of building a culture and buy-in from the group.

CntOutSmrtCrazy · Post #231 » by **CntOutSmrtCrazy** » Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:30 pm

NatP4 wrote:If you trade Beal this off-season, and let Kuzma walk, I think WUJ is in a SIGNIFICANTLY better situation in terms of building a culture and buy-in from the group.

As harsh as my opinion of WUJ has been, I'd be willing to give him another shake at things for a season if those things were to happen. It would totally would change team dynamics, and maybe empower WUJ to finally make a meaningful imprint as a coach that we haven't thus far seen a shred of.

WallToWall · Post #232 » by **WallToWall** » Sat Apr 22, 2023 6:18 am

nate33 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Ted should make the proper business decision and get Nurse in here as coach. I want Ted to be a pr*ck and fire WUJ right after he said WUJ was being retained. Seriously, that didnt even need to be said by Ted till all other coach and GM gyrations had completed. Its not rocket science, he just had to keep his mouth shut.

dckingsfan · Post #233 » by **dckingsfan** » Sat Apr 22, 2023 3:15 pm

This off-season is now only about the GM. That and what Ted will allow the new GM to do...

doclinkin · Post #234 » by **doclinkin** » Sat Apr 22, 2023 6:13 pm

dckingsfan wrote:This off-season is now only about the GM. That and what Ted will allow the new GM to do...

Nope this offseason is about the miracle of winning the lotto for Wembanyama. Everything else will fall in line after that.

payitforward · Post #235 » by **payitforward** » Sat Apr 22, 2023 7:10 pm

If we win the lotto & get Wembenyana, I think we should make him do double duty as the new GM.

dckingsfan · Post #236 » by **dckingsfan** » Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:25 pm

doclinkin wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:This off-season is now only about the GM. That and what Ted will allow the new GM to do...

Nope this offseason is about the miracle of winning the lotto for Wembanyama. Everything else will fall in line after that.

#SoWizards will be to get a retread GM and draft 9th. And Ted will continue with his double bottom win from the middle strategy.

gambitx777 · Post #237 » by **gambitx777** » Mon Apr 24, 2023 4:03 am

So we hire a good new GM either Kenny Smith, Bobby marks, Becky Hammond, that chick in Boston or Bob Myers.

They trade Beal on the spot to Miami
Beal
For
Jovic, Lowery, oladipo, 2023,2027,2029 firsts and 2 seconds.

We sign and trade Kuz anywhere for a TPE and future picks.

We trade our pick back with the nets for their two late firsts and a future second.
Now we have 3 later firsts and possibly 2 seconds depending on how that Boston pick goes. We should have 18, 21,22, 42 and 59. We draft Carson Wallace, Bilal Coulibaly, Brandin Podziemski, DeRon Holmes II, and if we get that 59 pick like we should take a flyer on Emoni Bates.

We trade/dump/ buy out or what ever Todd, cooks, and gill.

We re sign KP

That leaves us with
Guards
Lowery, Morris, wright, wallace, Oladipo, Goodwin, davis
Wings
Kispert, jackson, Coulibaly, podziemski, bates
Bigs
KP, Gafford, Deni, Jovic, Holmes II, , Huff

We have some house keeping to do. I would say Lowery, oladipo, and Morris need to go via trade or buy out. That gets us to 15. Huff and Jackson can go to free up two more spots and the two ways.
Or
We can use the two ways on huff and Jackson again and keep one of Lowery or Morris.

That's puts us in a decent spot with a good jump on future draft capital with a lot of young talent !

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NatP4 · Post #238 » by **NatP4** » Mon Apr 24, 2023 4:50 am

Really wanted Brunson last off-season. Was calling for a S&T of Kuzma for Brunson. What a difference that would’ve made…..

payitforward · Post #239 » by **payitforward** » Mon Apr 24, 2023 1:09 pm

gambitx777 wrote:So we hire a good new GM either Kenny Smith, Bobby marks, Becky Hammond, that chick in Boston or Bob Myers.

They trade Beal on the spot to Miami
Beal
For
Jovic, Lowery, oladipo, 2023,2027,2029 firsts and 2 seconds.

We sign and trade Kuz anywhere for a TPE and future picks.

We trade our pick back with the nets for their two late firsts and a future second.
Now we have 3 later firsts and possibly 2 seconds depending on how that Boston pick goes. We should have 18, 21,22, 42 and 59. We draft Carson Wallace, Bilal Coulibaly, Brandin Podziemski, DeRon Holmes II, and if we get that 59 pick like we should take a flyer on Emoni Bates.

We trade/dump/ buy out or what ever Todd, cooks, and gill.

We re sign KP

That leaves us with
Guards
Lowery, Morris, wright, wallace, Oladipo, Goodwin, davis
Wings
Kispert, jackson, Coulibaly, podziemski, bates
Bigs
KP, Gafford, Deni, Jovic, Holmes II, , Huff

We have some house keeping to do. I would say Lowery, oladipo, and Morris need to go via trade or buy out. That gets us to 15. Huff and Jackson can go to free up two more spots and the two ways.
Or
We can use the two ways on huff and Jackson again and keep one of Lowery or Morris.

That's puts us in a decent spot with a good jump on future draft capital with a lot of young talent

Hey, if you're gonna dream up stuff that has absolutely no chance to happen, why don't we get the #1 pick & Wemby?

Then Brooklyn can just give us their two R1 picks, because they feel like being nice....

payitforward · Post #240 » by **payitforward** » Mon Apr 24, 2023 1:29 pm

NatP4 wrote:Really wanted Brunson last off-season. Was calling for a S&T of Kuzma for Brunson. What a difference that would’ve made…..

Brunson signed w/ the Knicks as a FA "last off-season." If he'd come here on the same deal, w/ Kuz going out, we'd have been @$9m into the luxury tax this season. Ditto the coming season & for a few more seasons.

Of course, we wouldn't have made the trade with Denver in that case. We'd have re-signed KCP instead. So make that @$12m into the lux tax. While being one player short of 15 -- more lux tax!

In any case, Brunson would have had to want to come to the Wizards. Does that seem likely to you?