Bigs for next season

cl2117 · Post #21 » by **cl2117** » Fri Apr 21, 2023 1:59 pm

It obviously depends on how this season plays out but I think we could go into next year really top heavy with bigs with the expectation that a couple guys get moved.

Grant I think is a lock to stick around barring a truly ridiculous RFA offer sheet. Especially with the new CBA and us likely being without he MLE, he's hugely valuable as a salary slot for the C's to work with. Can't afford to let him go for nothing and lose out on the chance to be able to add more to our roster. Additionally, I think his struggles this year iron out more once he's locked into a new deal. I see him as a legitimate successor to Horford in our lineup eventually, but if not, then he can be used as salary matching for other moves (pair him on a mid-teens new contract with Gallo and you can bring back a guy making around $20m add Pritchard and you're in the $25m range).

Ultimately I think it's an either/or proposition with Muscala and Gallo, but I can see both making next year's opening roster with one being moved at a later date. They serve the same exact function as stretch 4's that are too unathletic to actually play the 4 at this stage in their careers. I'd rather keep Muscala, but Danilo is going to be tough to shift until you know whether he's a shell of his former self or if he can still play. I think they both stick with draft capital being attached to Danilo for depth elsewhere or Muscala being moved to open a roster spot and recoup some 2nds.

Kornet/Griffin are both fringe candidates for me. Both have been massively more productive than I had ever envisaged but neither are true on court impact players. If there is a crunch I would expect either or both of these guys to be the odd men out. I'd give Griffin the edge because of the locker room impact it seems he's had. Win or lose this year, you'll have rippling effects next year and having a guy who is impactful in terms of keeping the team positive and heads screwed on straight is hugely valuable. The fact that he's been able to give Joe quality minutes in limited spot starts is just gravy (and I'm not normally one for having roster spots for bench "glue" guys).

I've got Kabengele as a two-way guy still only. I like the upside with him but there are too many guys above who we're committed to. I'd assume the offer to him will be to stick around as a two-way guy with the expectation that a multi-player trade would potentially open up a roster spot and even minutes for him. Don't think that's enough to keep him around, but it is what it is.

Smart/ Brogdon/ JD
White/ Begarin
Brown/ Hauser
Tatum/ Grant/ Gallo
Horford/ Timelord/ Muscala/ Kornet/ Griffin

Ideally Kabengele on a two-way still otherwise he's gone. If we use #33 for a guy who gets a roster spot, then one of Kornet/Grffin drops off or Begarin stays in Europe. If we draft and stash a guy then I can see the above being the exact roster with mid-season trades inevitable (assuming Pritchard gets moved this summer, but if not then he's obviously in JD's spot with him still on a two-way).

Larry_Russell · Post #22 » by **Larry_Russell** » Fri Apr 21, 2023 3:16 pm

We bringing in Embiid after we smoke him in the playoffs and making a super duper team (He will demand a trade to only the Celtics so it forces Phillies hand)

Timelord, Grant Williams (Resigned), JD Davidson, Begarin and all the picks for Joel.

Smart/Pritchard
White/Brogs
Brown/Hauser-MLE
Tatum/Gallo
Embiid/Horford

dont judge it, dont think about it, will it to happen

playa-hater · Post #23 » by **playa-hater** » Fri Apr 21, 2023 3:23 pm

I also think if he is proven to be totally healthy gallo gets the spot over Grant Williams in the rotation going forward.. A 6'10 guy who can shoot is very savvy and has Great experience over somebody who is 6' 6 and struggling..

Post #24 » by **Parliament10** » Fri Apr 21, 2023 3:47 pm

Wow, Griffin & Kornet out-voting Grant. Grant has been having troubles, for several months now.
Let's see if he redeems himself, in the Playoffs.

bucknersrevenge · Post #25 » by **bucknersrevenge** » Fri Apr 21, 2023 4:11 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
playa-hater wrote:Based on the way he has played, and acted, this last half season or more. I wouldn't be surprised if Grant is not back. I won't complain either.

Problem is that Grant is an asset. Celtics have very little ways to acquire talent. So I could see the Celtics resigning G Williams then trade him in a package later. We will see.

Agree with your choices on who stays but I don't see why Brad waits. Get something for Grant in the offseason or just let him go. We don't really have the roster spots for more talent anyway. We have 11 spots pretty much already locked in not including PP who we all think gets moved. JD takes his spot. We have a 2nd pick. That's 13. Except for a significant talent upgrade or a surprise trade which will not be spoken of, our main and even extended rotation spots into next year are already spoken for.

playa-hater · Post #26 » by **playa-hater** » Fri Apr 21, 2023 4:26 pm

Parliament10 wrote:Wow, Griffin & Kornet out-voting Grant. Grant has been having troubles, for several months now.
Let's see if he redeems himself, in the Playoffs.

Yeah but since Grant is a restricted free agent he may get an offer that the celtics won't match so maybe that is the reason people believe he won't be back.

Post #27 » by **snowman** » Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:22 pm

IMO:
Smart, White, Brown (resigned to full max due to all NBA selection), Tatum and Timelord will be the starters next season. That's 5 roster spots.
Brogdon, Hauser, Grant (resigned, but possibly for trade option), Gallo, Horford, Muscala is all pretty much the top 11 roster spots.
Pritchard or JD is the 12th spot depending on who is still here. If Pritchard is still here, JD will remain one of our two-way spots.

Here is where it gets dicey. I think one of Kornet or Griffin is gone. Kornet has a non-guaranteed contract and Blake is unrestricted. Depending on Gallo's health I see only one of them sticking for the 13th spot, and the 14th spot going to Kabengele, who can't be a two-way again due to being his 4th year in the NBA. Another younger big is needed to develop behind Rob other than Grant, who may not be here long. Horford is 36, Gallo is 34, Blake is 34, Muscala is 31. Kornet is 27 and Kabengele is 25 but bring totally different games to the table. I think it will come down to Blake / Kornet for 13th spot and Kabengele will be the 14th spot.

I see the 15th spot going to a SG / SF battle between Champagnie, Begarin and our 33rd pick, with the other two becoming two-ways.

I see our bigs next season being Rob Williams, Horford, Gallo, Muscala, Grant (for a short time), Kabengele and either Kornet or Blake.

Patsfan1081 · Post #28 » by **Patsfan1081** » Sat Apr 22, 2023 3:18 am

They really need a young big to develop. Wouldnt be surprised if they bring JB over next season so hopefully the Rocket’s pick transfer and they can either move up or take a flyer on a raw big. Maybe some team would be willing to move a third year underachieving four for PP and a pick.

Hal14 · Post #29 » by **Hal14** » Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:57 am

This guy is only 25 - still getting better. Had a 19.8% rebounding % this season, 20.4% last season.

Playing in Turkey's top pro league. And also playing against top teams from Europe in the EuropCup.

Watch on YouTube

Bring him in for a tryout? Perhaps could be a good backup / injury insurance for Rob.

Triple7 · Post #30 » by **Triple7** » Sun Apr 23, 2023 8:04 am

playa-hater wrote:
Parliament10 wrote:Wow, Griffin & Kornet out-voting Grant. Grant has been having troubles, for several months now.
Let's see if he redeems himself, in the Playoffs.

Yeah but since Grant is a restricted free agent he may get an offer that the celtics won't match so maybe that is the reason people believe he won't be back.

Lol Grant “imma make both free throws” Williams wants 20M lol. If he takes 5M per year, then i’m on board. Otherwise, good riddance!

TSmith0197 · Post #31 » by **TSmith0197** » Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:42 am

Celts17Pride wrote:
Cricket23 wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:Celtics don’t have the taxpayer MLE. New CBA

I don't believe that's being implemented right away.

We’ll see

After listening to podcasts from many NBA insiders they all are saying the CBA rules are slowly being implemented so teams can prep for the new CBA. I believe the taxplayer MLE is not one of them but teams might not use it. Though they all did mentioned there might be a lot of trades this off-season even ones that don’t make sense so teams can set themselves up for when the new CBA is fully in placed.

captain green · Post #32 » by **captain green** » Sun Apr 23, 2023 5:41 pm

I just voted for Gallo the rest are meh

Red2 · Post #33 » by **Red2** » Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:57 pm

We need a young athletic big who can rebound

leper-con · Post #34 » by **leper-con** » Mon Apr 24, 2023 1:55 am

I know we loved okungwu in the draft maybe there’s a deal with grant and Pritchard there?

31to6 · Post #35 » by **31to6** » Mon Apr 24, 2023 3:05 pm

leper-con wrote:I know we loved okungwu in the draft maybe there’s a deal with grant and Pritchard there?

couldn't land him then, don't think that offer comes close to landing him now
OKONGWUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU fan here:)

big-shot-ROB · Post #36 » by **big-shot-ROB** » Mon Apr 24, 2023 3:41 pm

Red2 wrote:We need a young athletic big who can rebound

Him and WCJ are my pipe dream Horford replacements

Hal14 · Post #37 » by **Hal14** » Mon Apr 24, 2023 3:48 pm

big-shot-ROB wrote:
Red2 wrote:We need a young athletic big who can rebound

Him and WCJ are my pipe dream Horford replacements

Is there a particular player you meant when you say "him" ?

hugepatsfan · Post #38 » by **hugepatsfan** » Mon Apr 24, 2023 3:49 pm

The way the league is set up incentivizes re-signing your own. I expect we'll keep Grant even if with the mindset of trading him down the line.

tfribs45 · Post #39 » by **tfribs45** » Mon Apr 24, 2023 4:10 pm

none of the above, go get a legit starter to backup Timelord! Been a long time coming......

hugepatsfan · Post #40 » by **hugepatsfan** » Mon Apr 24, 2023 6:10 pm

Just like how last year we were able to trade a pick for Brogdon after the league year flipped, we can again do that this year. To me, the far and away best path forward is to use bird rights to re-sign Grant and send our 2024 1st along with whatever salary is needed out of Gallo/Pritchard/Muscala/Kornet/Champagne for a legit backup 5. That would leave us with a 10 man rotation of:

Smart / Brogdon
Brown / White
Tatum / Hauser
Horford / GWilliams
RWilliams / (trade acquisition)

Depending on who that trade acquisition is, some of the salary filler group from above would be left for the third unit. Add in JD Davison possibly on an NBA deal, our 2nd round pick, our overseas prospects and vet min signings and that's how you fill the roster.

You can include more than just the '24 pick. Our max all-in offer would be the '24/26/28/30 1st rounders (after SA swap rights on '28) if a player worth going "all-in" for is available. Even with the new rules where we'd be prohibited from taking on extra salary in trades due to the 2nd tax apron, the combo of Gallo/Pritchard/Muscala/Kornet/Champagne can be aggregated in some group to equal more salary than the following players:

Lauri Markannen (UTA - would be a starting PF to push Horford to the bench, this is of course an all-in type trade)
Wendell Carter Jr. (ORL)
Nik Claxton (BRK)
Onyeka Okongwu (ATL)
Isiah Stewart (DET)
Ivica Zubac (LAC)
Steven Adams (MEM)
Isaiah Hartenstein (NYK)
Daniel Gafford (WAS)
Maxi Kleber (DAL)
Jonas Valencunis (NOP)
Zach Collins (SA)
Daniel Theis (IND)
Richuan Holmes (SAC)

A few different price points in there from "all-in" type of price in Markannen to negative value contracts like Holmes. Not sure their teams would necessarily look to move some of those guys, but very conceivable that they could be traded for salary aggregation and present an opportunity for us to jump in as a third team. And honestly, depending on how aggressive you want to be, there's a certain point where we could overpay and just force a team to consider moving a guy too.

Who of our bigs will be here next season?